Russia Fears Viktor Bout Could Reveal Secrets

[LaoPo]

Your first item was answered already. This action was approved by Thai authorities...so the US was here legally...and was welcomed.

For your second item, you know the answer already. What country would allow foreign agents to operate on their soil illegally? Your question should be, does the USA allow Foreign Intelligence Services to (LEGALLY) operate on American soil,....that would be the same situation as here in Thailand. And the answer is YES! I lived in San Diego and the DEA ran joint operation with Mexico all the time. They met in San Diego and planned out drug raids. It was not unusual to see a drug bust on TV, on American soil, with both US and Mexican agents involved.

But for sure many agents are there illegally, just like in your country. A few Russian and Chinese spies were busted recently. But I know for sure the US has spies in their country as well...it's a messed up game for sure.

You mentioned your government won't allow foreign agents on their soil. Why? Perhaps because they are sophisticated enough to operate on their own. We know this is not the case here in Thailand. But is the case in the US. Same Same, right?

Peace!!!! :jap:

1. Approved by Thai authorities ?

Thats what the newspapers say and IF some Thai authority claims so, it doesn't mean that the highest people in the government knew, since I'm sure (like I said before) that they wouldn't have approved to this operation and Khun Abhisit isn't -for sure- amused by the US sting operation.

So, if I were you, I wouldn't be so sure since especially people like yourself KNOW that governments and authorities DO lie...

2. Please, don't tell us that the US and Mexican authorities work so closely, otherwise Clinton wouldn't have said, just a day ago, that the US should and could do more to help Mexico in the war on drugs.

A war on drugs, necessary, BECAUSE of the immense demand in the USA.

The US should look a bit more into their own mirror instead fighting wars overseas.

3. Yes, I know this because it's common knowledge that the US asked on several occasions to have their agents work on NL's soil. the answer was a plain NO.

That doesn't mean they are listening to the NO.....I have personal info that they do whatever they like and, craigt3365, THAT is what I oppose to, the same as in Thailand since I don't believe a word of what's said that the Thai goivernment agreed and fully knew about the Bout sting operation.

But hey, what do we know, other that what we're fed with in silly newspapers ?

Peace to you too !

LaoPo

Edited October 18, 2010 by LaoPo

[geriatrickid]

The question has been asked as to how Mr. Bout was able to travel about.

Mr. Bout had at least 5 different passports under various names. Does anyone want to take a guess from where? Ukraine, Russia (1X internal and 1X external), Belarus, and the most important passport, the UAE. He used multiple aliases some of which were, Vadim S. Aminov, Victor Anatoliyevitsch Bout, Victor S. Bulakin, Victor But, Viktor Budd, Viktor Butt, Viktor Bulakin, Vadim Markovich Aminov etc. Mr. Bout used his UAE connections very effectively. By using the tried and true change a name and passport strategy, he was able to get around watch lists. This is why the USA now takes fingerprints from some countries visitors.

The question has been asked as to how the US DEA came to be allowed to act in Thailand ?

Several people have explained how investigation task forces are assembled. Thailand in its capacity as a sovereign government decides which foreign agencies are allowed to work alongside its existing Thai agents. Had Mr. Bout been able to argue this aspect of the case he would have. However, the defense conceded that Thailand was in its rights to work with whatever foreign police agency it deemed necessary to stop an individual under sanction when it did not argue this point.

The U.N. has no law enforcement power. Do the people asking the question understand that U.N. investigators cannot subpoena, detain or arrest. The best that can be done is to name and shame. The U.N. relies on member nations to enforce the law. This is what Thailand and the USA did. There wouldn't have been a need for intervention had the Ukranians, Russians and UAE government stopped Mr. Bout. The Thai American effort was in the spirit of the U.N. sanctions. Here's a reminder;

Landing heavy cargo planes with illicit cargoes in war conditions and breaking international embargoes such as the one on Angola requires more than individual effort. It takes an internationally organized network of individuals, well funded, well connected and well versed in brokering and logistics, with the ability to move illicit cargo around the world without raising the suspicions of the law or with the ability to deal with obstacles. One organization, headed, or at least to all appearances outwardly controlled by an Eastern European, Victor Bout, is such an organization." U.N. Angola Report, December 21, 2000

How else can one stop an international criminal gang that receives state support than to intervene as did the Thailand and the USA?

You may not like it, that's your perogative, but that doesn't make it wrong.

As an aside, are you aware that Canadian government recently concluded an important operation that stopped several hundred bogus Tamil refugees from leaving Thailand? The Canadian agents came from several agencies and were in Thailand on a specific interdiction mission. They acted with the full support and assistance of the Thai government.

The question has been asked as to whether or not the USA allows foreign operations on its soil.

The question is a sad attempt to redirect the focus from Mr. Bout. Canadian police authorities regularly run tobacco and firearm interdiction activities on US soil. The US federal or state agencies will be the lead agency for legal purposes, but the undercover agents are RCMP or provincial police officers. This is how undercover operations work. You let the agents do what they have to do and there is a supervising agency that takes care of the jurisdictional and legal issues. Law enforcement evolved after 9-11 so that police agencies work with each other now.

Are you aware that the US regularly cedes sovereignty over its homeland security? It's called Norad and often it is a Canadian military officer sitting in the Colorado HQ making the decisions. The classic example is 9-11. On that day, in the critical hours when no one knew what was happening and U.S. airspace had to be controlled, a Canadian air force officer was responsible for the defense of the Continental USA. If you didn't know that, don't despair as most Americans don't know that either.

To those that question, I suggest that instead of obsessing over the sting operation that stopped Mr. Bout, ask yourselves why and how the United Arab Emirates by association was financing one of the world's biggest merchants of death. This is the scandal within the scandal and it is something that alot of people tried to hush up for a long time. The UAE has a lot to answer for and it would prefer if it was left out of the limelight.

[animatic]

The USA does authorize and join with law enforcement agents from other nations to run operations on it's own soil. It also makes strenuous efforts to detect and eradicate NON-authorized foreign agents doing the same on US soil.

Thailand allows DEA to operate joint opperations in Thailand, and occasionally FBI/Thai operations. Particularly if the jurisdictions overlap on internationally traveling criminals, 'doing business', in both lands.

Whine all you like about Bout's detainment, it really makes not a jot of difference,

the Thais OK'd this sting operation in advance, and stings are used all the time to give criminals an opportunity to incriminate themselves with their own words and actions.

The Thais only got cold feet when Russia started throwing it's weight around.

And now are trying to figure how to least piss off Russia while doing what MUST be done by law and nearly endless procedure, so Russian can assign them the least possible blame.

The fact Russia is so bent out of shape, shows how much dirt this guy has

on their clandestine operatives.

Edited October 18, 2010 by animatic

[craigt3365]

Wouldn't the DEA be involved because it relates to drug issues and FARC?

Why ask me; I don't know.

LaoPo

It might seem surprising that it was the DEA stalking Bout, but after 9/11, Congress expanded the agency’s power to go after all manner of criminals who operate overseas (see “The DEA vs. the Terrorists,” below right). Fueled by the Bush administration’s escalating war on drugs, the DEA has quietly become an international enforcement powerhouse, with a $2.1 billion budget and 10,000 employees, including 5,000 agents in the field and 87 foreign bureaus — even more bureaus than the FBI has.

Your first item was answered already. This action was approved by Thai authorities...so the US was here legally...and was welcomed.

For your second item, you know the answer already. What country would allow foreign agents to operate on their soil illegally? Your question should be, does the USA allow Foreign Intelligence Services to (LEGALLY) operate on American soil,....that would be the same situation as here in Thailand. And the answer is YES! I lived in San Diego and the DEA ran joint operation with Mexico all the time. They met in San Diego and planned out drug raids. It was not unusual to see a drug bust on TV, on American soil, with both US and Mexican agents involved.

But for sure many agents are there illegally, just like in your country. A few Russian and Chinese spies were busted recently. But I know for sure the US has spies in their country as well...it's a messed up game for sure.

You mentioned your government won't allow foreign agents on their soil. Why? Perhaps because they are sophisticated enough to operate on their own. We know this is not the case here in Thailand. But is the case in the US. Same Same, right?

Peace!!!! :jap:

1. Approved by Thai authorities ?

Thats what the newspapers say and IF some Thai authority claims so, it doesn't mean that the highest people in the government knew, since I'm sure (like I said before) that they wouldn't have approved to this operation and Khun Abhisit isn't -for sure- amused by the US sting operation.

So, if I were you, I wouldn't be so sure since especially people like yourself KNOW that governments and authorities DO lie...

2. Please, don't tell us that the US and Mexican authorities work so closely, otherwise Clinton wouldn't have said, just a day ago, that the US should and could do more to help Mexico in the war on drugs.

A war on drugs, necessary, BECAUSE of the immense demand in the USA.

The US should look a bit more into their own mirror instead fighting wars overseas.

3. Yes, I know this because it's common knowledge that the US asked on several occasions to have their agents work on NL's soil. the answer was a plain NO.

That doesn't mean they are listening to the NO.....I have personal info that they do whatever they like and, craigt3365, THAT is what I oppose to, the same as in Thailand since I don't believe a word of what's said that the Thai goivernment agreed and fully knew about the Bout sting operation.

But hey, what do we know, other that what we're fed with in silly newspapers ?

Peace to you too !

LaoPo

For the first item, he was arrested by the Royal Thai Police. Not the DEA...it was a joint operation.

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Thai arrest and extradition

Bout was arrested in Thailand on an Interpol red notice and faces extradition to the US, where a formal indictment against him had been made.

Arrest

Royal Thai Police arrested Bout in Bangkok on 6 March 2008[6] the culmination of a sting operation set up by US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) agents.[3] Bout allegedly offered to supply weapons to people he thought were representatives of the Colombian Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) rebels.[2][3]

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If the Royal Thai Police were involved with DEA agents on Thai soil, you can be assured officials at the highest levels were involved. Silly to think otherwise.

For item #2, you are right on! The demand is huge in the US. But that doesn't mean it's OK for Mexico to turn a blind eye to drug running. What would you say if drugs were produced in Poland and shipped to Holland with the help of the Polish police? Would it be Holland's problem because their population does drugs, which they do. Or would it be a Polish problem in that they should control the drug runners? I think both should be done, but it lies more with Poland...right? And the US is trying to fight the war on drugs on their own soil. Do some research and you will find out. It's a tough battle, one that your own country has not won...correct? Or are all your citizens drug free? Heroin is not coming into your country from Afghanistan? I know it is...

For item #3, sorry you don't believe a word relating to Bout's arrest. I am sure some is false, but some is true also. And it is the truth that the Thai's arrested him, with the help of the US. Now is that really so bad? A horrible man has been taken off the streets and all we get are a bunch of folks wanting to bash America. Bashing in some instances is warranted, but not in this case...

I doubt this would have the same interest if, say, Belgium arrested him here and wanted him shipped back to their country. Belgium did initiate this, you know...

[gpdjohn]

I'll answer..

Yes, some operations are indeed allowed if the US is the lead agency. Been involved in a few with UK and NL authorities. Don't ask, because I will not go any further. It is the same in this case. The Thai authorities were in the lead..authorized US authorities to run the game.

The DEA

It is a fereral law enforcement agency and yes, dope is it's chief concern..but if other violations of US law come into play such as weapons, explosives, etc, then they are allowed to act. ( including moving ATF agents to work with them..just not named as the DEA would be the lead agency. Called a Task Force and could also include officers from LLEA joining in.It happends all the time, city badge goes in the drawer and the fed badge and ID are now in the pocket.. Been there ..done that. )

There is not always a need to detain or stop/arrest a suspect as he travels the globe with the possibility of him/her commiting other crimes. A few phone calls to the authorities in the countries in which the suspect is heading, and you can figure out the rest.

.

Easy to say you were involved in secret operations but as a matter of fact I know for a fact (don't ask me how I know...) that The Netherlands' government will NEVER allow US secret agents to operate on their soil with their knowledge. NEVER.

Period.

That doesn't mean that they (US) didn't act on foreign soil, including the NL, but it was NOT allowed; you might not even have known or aware that you weren't allowed to operate.

It's the same as that the US is really p_ssed off that the European Parliament stopped the demands by the US that they wanted access to ALL European bank accounts.

You know, still no answer to my question if the US would allow the same operation on their soil as they did in the Bout case on Thai soil.

DEA: I'm not a specialist but are you saying that DEA agents can switch from drugs situations into weapons deals where ever they are ? hmmmm.....if that's the case it is even more worrying since that would allow permission of the country where they operate.

LaoPo

Let me try again... your question was if the US would allow it.

I answered you.

YES. I have worked with UK and Dutch law enforcement WITHIN THE BOUNDRIES of the United States without a problem and were happy to have them with us.

It was thier case, not ours.

[gpdjohn]

DEA not in the NL?

Amazing that 2 of my friends are agents currently operating out of a small office in Den Haag and have a Dutch Politie assigned with them.

[LomSak27]

By the time you're willing and able to properly address and write my name as well as a kind of English I can understand I will answer your question, if you behave politely that is.

LaoPo

So when you are caught lying your only recourse is to deflect?! Sad but to be expected. Maybe you can find a position on FOX to supplement the pension.

[IAMSOBAD]

Russia Fears Victor Bout Could Reveal Secrets!!!!!!!

That is the subject for all the Bout cheerleaders to post about.

Not one of them brought this up.

They all twist their posts to defend Bout and not the topic at hand. I hope Bouts attornies dont play the Bash USA card in court. He will get life in prison with that defense.

Morons hijack threads with long winded posts filled with hatred but never facts. You know who you are...dont you?

[globalmenace]

But for sure many agents are there illegally, just like in your country. A few Russian and Chinese spies were busted recently. But I know for sure the US has spies in their country as well...it's a messed up game for sure.

I gotta disagree a bit. Most agents of foreign governments are involved with intellegence gathering in the target country, not direct action. Intellegence gathering (spying) provides absolutely neccessary information on intentions and capabilities. It has without doubt been a net benefit for humanity despite the huge resources devoted to it.

Intellegence failures are the main source of calamity. Only when you know can you understand and act effectively.

[IAMSOBAD]

Could a jail break happen today? Seems all the pro-Bout people are very very busy!

Maybe they know more than their emotional cheerleading.

Maybe THEY are here on Thai soil in a sting of their own and are looking for the next Lee Harvey Oswald???

[craigt3365]

Easy to say you were involved in secret operations but as a matter of fact I know for a fact (don't ask me how I know...) that The Netherlands' government will NEVER allow US secret agents to operate on their soil with their knowledge. NEVER.

Period.

That doesn't mean that they (US) didn't act on foreign soil, including the NL, but it was NOT allowed; you might not even have known or aware that you weren't allowed to operate.

It's the same as that the US is really p_ssed off that the European Parliament stopped the demands by the US that they wanted access to ALL European bank accounts.

You know, still no answer to my question if the US would allow the same operation on their soil as they did in the Bout case on Thai soil.

DEA: I'm not a specialist but are you saying that DEA agents can switch from drugs situations into weapons deals where ever they are ? hmmmm.....if that's the case it is even more worrying since that would allow permission of the country where they operate.

LaoPo

Let me try again... your question was if the US would allow it.

I answered you.

YES. I have worked with UK and Dutch law enforcement WITHIN THE BOUNDRIES of the United States without a problem and were happy to have them with us.

It was thier case, not ours.

Oh man...those dang Dutch thinking they are the law enforcement of the world. The gall. The nerve to go into someone else's country and fight crime.

See how stupid an argument like this sounds????

But for sure many agents are there illegally, just like in your country. A few Russian and Chinese spies were busted recently. But I know for sure the US has spies in their country as well...it's a messed up game for sure.

I gotta disagree a bit. Most agents of foreign governments are involved with intellegence gathering in the target country, not direct action. Intellegence gathering (spying) provides absolutely neccessary information on intentions and capabilities. It has without doubt been a net benefit for humanity despite the huge resources devoted to it.

Intellegence failures are the main source of calamity. Only when you know can you understand and act effectively.

I hear ya for sure! But it is a delicate balancing act for sure....

[LaoPo]

Oh man...those dang Dutch thinking they are the law enforcement of the world. The gall. The nerve to go into someone else's country and fight crime.

See how stupid an argument like this sounds????

The Dutch don't think so, the Americans do...and what's more, they also act as the law enforcement of the world; the thing many Americans miss (since most Americans don't read/see foreign media) is that most people in the world object to that status.

But let's wait for the more than 400.000 pages WikiLeaks will publish any day soon, again, after their first publications

The Pentagon already put 120 specialist in place, prepared to study their own -secret military- material and documents from the period between 2004-2009

But the Pentagon reacted already:

Pentagon: Wikileaks file-dump didn't reveal anything important

Of course not; the US Intelligence and Military have nothing to hide.

But as Time Magazine wrote:

"WikiLeaks...could become as important a journalistic tool as the Freedom of Information Act. " Time Magazine.

LaoPo

[chantorn]

"In the old days if an agent did something that embarrassing he'd have a good sense to defect." - M

Maybe this Russian should consider.

[craigt3365]

Here's a bit of info to backup Thailand's desire to support international efforts to bring criminals to justice:

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2010/08/07/chon-buri-transnational-crime-center-opens-in-pattaya/

Excerpts:

Increasingly, with the numbers of foreign residents in the region rising, the immigration office has been involved heavily in monitoring and assisting in the arrest of foreign nationals, committing crimes in Thailand or using the region as a hideaway from international authorities. The increase in foreign criminals looking to use Thailand and Pattaya as a base to commit their crimes or to avoid prosecution in their homeland has led to the advent of the new Transnational Crime Center.

At present, over 3,000 (500+ in Pattaya) international arrest warrants have been collected by Thai authorities and input into the TCC database. Visa records, status and restrictions have been incorporated into the system, which included the national blacklisted foreigners.

Up-to-date national and international arrest warrant database, updated every 24-hours.

So if you notice a few TV members no longer being active, you can only wonder....kidding!

[Pakboong]

I'll answer..

Yes, some operations are indeed allowed if the US is the lead agency. Been involved in a few with UK and NL authorities. Don't ask, because I will not go any further. It is the same in this case. The Thai authorities were in the lead..authorized US authorities to run the game.

The DEA

It is a fereral law enforcement agency and yes, dope is it's chief concern..but if other violations of US law come into play such as weapons, explosives, etc, then they are allowed to act. ( including moving ATF agents to work with them..just not named as the DEA would be the lead agency. Called a Task Force and could also include officers from LLEA joining in.It happends all the time, city badge goes in the drawer and the fed badge and ID are now in the pocket.. Been there ..done that. )

There is not always a need to detain or stop/arrest a suspect as he travels the globe with the possibility of him/her commiting other crimes. A few phone calls to the authorities in the countries in which the suspect is heading, and you can figure out the rest.

.

Easy to say you were involved in secret operations but as a matter of fact I know for a fact (don't ask me how I know...) that The Netherlands' government will NEVER allow US secret agents to operate on their soil with their knowledge. NEVER.

Period.

That doesn't mean that they (US) didn't act on foreign soil, including the NL, but it was NOT allowed; you might not even have known or aware that you weren't allowed to operate.

It's the same as that the US is really p_ssed off that the European Parliament stopped the demands by the US that they wanted access to ALL European bank accounts.

You know, still no answer to my question if the US would allow the same operation on their soil as they did in the Bout case on Thai soil.

DEA: I'm not a specialist but are you saying that DEA agents can switch from drugs situations into weapons deals where ever they are ? hmmmm.....if that's the case it is even more worrying since that would allow permission of the country where they operate.

LaoPo

Diplomatic immunity within 25 miles of the US Embassy.

[BaronCasey]

^swedish birds aren't too bad either.

appart from their hairy armpits....

[geriatrickid]

Diplomatic immunity within 25 miles of the US Embassy.

Where do you come up with your false statements? In order to have diplomatic immunity, one has to be a registered diplomatic agent. Foreign police officials are not diplomatic agents. Look at the treaty regulations. It's the same everywhere.

[Pakboong]

Diplomatic immunity within 25 miles of the US Embassy.

Where do you come up with your false statements? In order to have diplomatic immunity, one has to be a registered diplomatic agent. Foreign police officials are not diplomatic agents. Look at the treaty regulations. It's the same everywhere.

military attaches are assigned to major embassies. They have diplomatic immunity. These are typically MI officers who have one or more intelligence specialties. The penalty for violating the rules is usually expulsion with some negative press but a chance some countries will take if they have limited options to get some of the dirty little jobs done.

[SomTumTiger]

The question has been asked as to how Mr. Bout was able to travel about.

Mr. Bout had at least 5 different passports under various names. Does anyone want to take a guess from where? Ukraine, Russia (1X internal and 1X external), Belarus, and the most important passport, the UAE. He used multiple aliases some of which were, Vadim S. Aminov, Victor Anatoliyevitsch Bout, Victor S. Bulakin, Victor But, Viktor Budd, Viktor Butt, Viktor Bulakin, Vadim Markovich Aminov etc. Mr. Bout used his UAE connections very effectively. By using the tried and true change a name and passport strategy, he was able to get around watch lists. This is why the USA now takes fingerprints from some countries visitors.

The question has been asked as to how the US DEA came to be allowed to act in Thailand ?

Several people have explained how investigation task forces are assembled. Thailand in its capacity as a sovereign government decides which foreign agencies are allowed to work alongside its existing Thai agents. Had Mr. Bout been able to argue this aspect of the case he would have. However, the defense conceded that Thailand was in its rights to work with whatever foreign police agency it deemed necessary to stop an individual under sanction when it did not argue this point.

The U.N. has no law enforcement power. Do the people asking the question understand that U.N. investigators cannot subpoena, detain or arrest. The best that can be done is to name and shame. The U.N. relies on member nations to enforce the law. This is what Thailand and the USA did. There wouldn't have been a need for intervention had the Ukranians, Russians and UAE government stopped Mr. Bout. The Thai American effort was in the spirit of the U.N. sanctions. Here's a reminder;

Landing heavy cargo planes with illicit cargoes in war conditions and breaking international embargoes such as the one on Angola requires more than individual effort. It takes an internationally organized network of individuals, well funded, well connected and well versed in brokering and logistics, with the ability to move illicit cargo around the world without raising the suspicions of the law or with the ability to deal with obstacles. One organization, headed, or at least to all appearances outwardly controlled by an Eastern European, Victor Bout, is such an organization." U.N. Angola Report, December 21, 2000

How else can one stop an international criminal gang that receives state support than to intervene as did the Thailand and the USA?

You may not like it, that's your perogative, but that doesn't make it wrong.

As an aside, are you aware that Canadian government recently concluded an important operation that stopped several hundred bogus Tamil refugees from leaving Thailand? The Canadian agents came from several agencies and were in Thailand on a specific interdiction mission. They acted with the full support and assistance of the Thai government.

The question has been asked as to whether or not the USA allows foreign operations on its soil.

The question is a sad attempt to redirect the focus from Mr. Bout. Canadian police authorities regularly run tobacco and firearm interdiction activities on US soil. The US federal or state agencies will be the lead agency for legal purposes, but the undercover agents are RCMP or provincial police officers. This is how undercover operations work. You let the agents do what they have to do and there is a supervising agency that takes care of the jurisdictional and legal issues. Law enforcement evolved after 9-11 so that police agencies work with each other now.

Are you aware that the US regularly cedes sovereignty over its homeland security? It's called Norad and often it is a Canadian military officer sitting in the Colorado HQ making the decisions. The classic example is 9-11. On that day, in the critical hours when no one knew what was happening and U.S. airspace had to be controlled, a Canadian air force officer was responsible for the defense of the Continental USA. If you didn't know that, don't despair as most Americans don't know that either.

To those that question, I suggest that instead of obsessing over the sting operation that stopped Mr. Bout, ask yourselves why and how the United Arab Emirates by association was financing one of the world's biggest merchants of death. This is the scandal within the scandal and it is something that alot of people tried to hush up for a long time. The UAE has a lot to answer for and it would prefer if it was left out of the limelight.

Its funny to hear GK label Bout as a "Merchant of Death" and in the same time label Thaksin the "Bastion of Hope, Freedom, and Democracy for Thailand"

[EnSvenskTiger]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69I66820101019?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r4:c0.047619:b38465886:z0

Isent it a marvel to see how Iran is a good law abiding, generus nation while the Big Satan and Thailand can not!

"Iranian authorities eventually agreed he had been duped into handing money to the U.S.-based group"

Well so might vetran Bout have!

Tiger

[Jingthing]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69I66820101019?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r4:c0.047619:b38465886:z0

Isent it a marvel to see how Iran is a good law abiding, generus nation while the Big Satan and Thailand can not!

"Iranian authorities eventually agreed he had been duped into handing money to the U.S.-based group"

Well so might vetran Bout have!

Tiger

The Iranian government is good? Hanging homosexuals, stoning adulterous women, murdering political dissenters, denying the holocaust, how do you figure? Nice try, Svenski.

[EnSvenskTiger]

http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/10/19/26994546.html

I could go on like this for ever you know! The list is long!

The Russian dont waterboard the suspects like they do in Never Never land.

Tiger

[SergeiY]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69I66820101019?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r4:c0.047619:b38465886:z0

Isent it a marvel to see how Iran is a good law abiding, generus nation while the Big Satan and Thailand can not!

"Iranian authorities eventually agreed he had been duped into handing money to the U.S.-based group"

Well so might vetran Bout have!

Tiger

The Iranian government is good? Hanging homosexuals, stoning adulterous women, murdering political dissenters, denying the holocaust, how do you figure? Nice try, Svenski.

did you read the article? Or do you have just your bias and stereotypes?

[EnSvenskTiger]

http://www.reuters.c...19:b38465886:z0

Isent it a marvel to see how Iran is a good law abiding, generus nation while the Big Satan and Thailand can not!

"Iranian authorities eventually agreed he had been duped into handing money to the U.S.-based group"

Well so might vetran Bout have!

Tiger

The Iranian government is good? Hanging homosexuals, stoning adulterous women, murdering political dissenters, denying the holocaust, how do you figure? Nice try, Svenski.

Well we can allways get together and try to persuate them to hang these spies, for there is no doubt that they can be anyting else, asap!

Wont to join me in that effort!

Be great fun to see them swing and kick for a few minutes will it not? Amusing for Rambo and John Wayne I am sure.

No! I think not !This will not happen beacuse the Iranians are HUMANS and a civilized nation wheras you are not. But you will never be able to grasp that different so do not bother to answere.

Tiger

[craigt3365]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69I66820101019?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r4:c0.047619:b38465886:z0

Isent it a marvel to see how Iran is a good law abiding, generus nation while the Big Satan and Thailand can not!

"Iranian authorities eventually agreed he had been duped into handing money to the U.S.-based group"

Well so might vetran Bout have!

Tiger

A bit of a difference between giving money to an aid group vs. trying to sell surface to air missiles to the FARC...all captured on tape. Unreal....

Law abiding....get real. Watch the movie "The Stoning of Soraya" and come back here and say Iran is OK. Seriously...watch the movie...

[SergeiY]

Seriously...watch the movie...

Yawn.

[chantorn]

Seriously...watch the movie...

Yawn.

There is so secrets left. Everything is already featured in the said movie.

[LaoPo]

Now that we're talking about dealing in arms....

U.S. announces $60 billion arms sale for Saudi Arabia

http://www.reuters.c...E69J4ML20101020

Isn't it strange that in the 9/11 aftermath it was found out that: "All (Hijackers - LP) were from Saudi Arabia, with the exception of one, who was from the UAE." ???

From: http://en.wikipedia....uscle_hijackers

Do I smell a sense of hypocracy ?

In other words:

US: "Oh sure, we know that all hijackers, but one, came from Saudi Arabia and killed thousands of innocent people in 9/11 but that doesn't mean that we can't sell weapons to the Saudis for $ 60 Billion....

Business is business, right?

LaoPo

[SergeiY]

That is a 'nice' story, do they have it as a movie?

[craigt3365]

Now that we're talking about dealing in arms....

U.S. announces $60 billion arms sale for Saudi Arabia

http://www.reuters.c...E69J4ML20101020

Isn't it strange that in the 9/11 aftermath it was found out that: "All (Hijackers - LP) were from Saudi Arabia, with the exception of one, who was from the UAE." ???

From: http://en.wikipedia....uscle_hijackers

Do I smell a sense of hypocracy ?

In other words:

US: "Oh sure, we know that all hijackers, but one, came from Saudi Arabia and killed thousands of innocent people in 9/11 but that doesn't mean that we can't sell weapons to the Saudis for $ 60 Billion....

Business is business, right?

LaoPo

A bit strange for sure. But just because a few bad ones from a particular country did this doesn't mean we should condemn the entire country, right? If that was the case, pretty much every country in the world would have problems.

But this is a source of concern for American's. Most American's would prefer to quit supporting Saudi Arabia...but then how would they fill their car with gas? It's a delicate problem for sure. And one America has not taken seriously enough. Energy conservation needs to be in the lime light in the US and it is just not that important enough....yet....

That is a 'nice' story, do they have it as a movie?

Oh, your awake? Time to go back to sleep......