Pilots Human Dignity

[fred007]

Watching the new last night.I was disgusted to see the F16 Pilots Torso being removed from the crash sight in a canvas sack.Where is the Dignity to the family and Relatives and the viewing public.It amazes me me they Blur a hand guns or person drinking liquor.But when it comes to human beings after a tragic death the News stations are allowed to show this.

SICK................

[simon43]

Fred007, yes, you might think that they would cover the remains with a Thai flag or something. It seems that in the Buddhist world, once you are dead, your mortal remains are simply totally unimportant and undeserving of respect, since they were only a 'vessel' whilst you were in that particular life.

Unfortunately, (going OT), many Buddhists do need to learn some understanding about how other religions treat human remains, and treat such remains accordingly. (I'm thinking of some of the shocking scenes of disrespect that I witnessed after the Phuket plane crash a few years ago. It was ignorant disrespect, not intentional).

Simon

[fred007]

Fred007, yes, you might think that they would cover the remains with a Thai flag or something. It seems that in the Buddhist world, once you are dead, your mortal remains are simply totally unimportant and undeserving of respect, since they were only a 'vessel' whilst you were in that particular life.

Unfortunately, (going OT), many Buddhists do need to learn some understanding about how other religions treat human remains, and treat such remains accordingly. (I'm thinking of some of the shocking scenes of disrespect that I witnessed after the Phuket plane crash a few years ago. It was ignorant disrespect, not intentional).

Simon

Hi Simon Thank you for your reply .I am not well informed on the Thai Buddhism and spirit belief. ........Regards FRED.

[thanew]

This doesn't seem to be restricted to just the Thais. In Asia as a whole, there seems to be little respect for the dead, or for those that might be watching things unfold on TV. One example that remains ingrained in my memory is the recent hostage drama in the Philippines. I came home from work that night and there was a live feed on all the Hong Kong/China channels from a Philippine TV station I had just happened to have tuned in when the hostage taker decided to open fire on a few of the hostages. Lo and behold, TV cameras zoomed in while bullets were being sprayed through the window just inches above where a woman was sitting, seconds later the cameras zoomed in a motionless body that appeared in the window. A little while later when the drama finally ended, the cameras zoomed in as the hostage taker was killed, due to the positioning of the cameras the gunfire wasn't shown, only the result. His lifeless body hang out the front door with a quite a large hole in his head with blood and brains leaking all over the place; a little shocking for me to see on live television since I am used to the delays that are instituted on such situations in the states to avoid these types of displays.

I must say that I was not offended by such a display of violence (I seem to have been desensitized), I was however shocked to see that all of the TV stations would decide to run with this during "prime time" without any possibility of a delay, especially during a time when many shows that do target a younger audience are shown (specifically on the few English channels here).

[fred007]

This doesn't seem to be restricted to just the Thais. In Asia as a whole, there seems to be little respect for the dead, or for those that might be watching things unfold on TV. One example that remains ingrained in my memory is the recent hostage drama in the Philippines. I came home from work that night and there was a live feed on all the Hong Kong/China channels from a Philippine TV station I had just happened to have tuned in when the hostage taker decided to open fire on a few of the hostages. Lo and behold, TV cameras zoomed in while bullets were being sprayed through the window just inches above where a woman was sitting, seconds later the cameras zoomed in a motionless body that appeared in the window. A little while later when the drama finally ended, the cameras zoomed in as the hostage taker was killed, due to the positioning of the cameras the gunfire wasn't shown, only the result. His lifeless body hang out the front door with a quite a large hole in his head with blood and brains leaking all over the place; a little shocking for me to see on live television since I am used to the delays that are instituted on such situations in the states to avoid these types of displays.

I must say that I was not offended by such a display of violence (I seem to have been desensitized), I was however shocked to see that all of the TV stations would decide to run with this during "prime time" without any possibility of a delay, especially during a time when many shows that do target a younger audience are shown (specifically on the few English channels here).

Thankyou Mr New bee and welcome to Thailand .

[Thongkorn]

DE sensitized , You think Thailand is bad , the UK has thousand's of youth that sit in front of Video counsels and play games , they see men blown up , shot dismembered, then the go outside and think the real world is like that , you can shoot blow up stab, anything and they get up and walk away . Is it me De sensitized.

[ukrules]

BUT it was not that long ago that we did similar stuff.

Think of 'hung drawn and quartered' most people don't seem to realise what actually happened most of the time during this ritual. They don't teach the whole truth in schools anyway, well they didn't when I was at school.

[KeyserSoze01]

Fred, you must be new to Thailand, as Thais seem to be drawn to vitriol, guts, gore and gruesome sights. Why else would they mill around the scene of a horrific accident, point, sneer and take photos with their cell phones. Then as you point out, blur the images of smoking in films. Thailand at best is an anachronism. At worst, it's a freaking joke.

[elkangorito]

Dead people are DEAD!

There is no point respecting the dead because in reality, any respect for the dead is meant for the 'living people' who are associated with the dead.

Also, the media wish to make money out of such a thing. I suggest that the desires of the media in no way reflect the opinion of the public unless it affects 'sales'.

As an example, if your 'loved one' (anybody whom you love) is killed, it is you who demands respect, not the deceased.

It's strange & bewildering why laws are created as a result of this false respect.

[noise]

Don't forget that in the 1800s and into the early 1900s many Americans had their pictures taken with the "dearly departed". Specially when they were relatives, e.g., a mother dressing up her dead child and having a picture taken holding it in her lap. And most of us have seen pictures of executed criminals in coffin standing on end with interested people standing around. Death and bodies are treated in different ways in different countries in different times. Difference doesn't mean bad by definition.

[fred007]

DE sensitized , You think Thailand is bad , the UK has thousand's of youth that sit in front of Video counsels and play games , they see men blown up , shot dismembered, then the go outside and think the real world is like that , you can shoot blow up stab, anything and they get up and walk away . Is it me De sensitized.

.............................................................................Desensitise...............................................Please spare me...............................are you serious......................

[fred007]

Thank you for you so true reply.....Yes new but learning fast........

Fred, you must be new to Thailand, as Thais seem to be drawn to vitriol, guts, gore and gruesome sights. Why else would they mill around the scene of a horrific accident, point, sneer and take photos with their cell phones. Then as you point out, blur the images of smoking in films. Thailand at best is an anachronism. At worst, it's a freaking joke.

[travelmann]

Dead people are DEAD!

There is no point respecting the dead because in reality, any respect for the dead is meant for the 'living people' who are associated with the dead.

Also, the media wish to make money out of such a thing. I suggest that the desires of the media in no way reflect the opinion of the public unless it affects 'sales'.

As an example, if your 'loved one' (anybody whom you love) is killed, it is you who demands respect, not the deceased.

It's strange & bewildering why laws are created as a result of this false respect.

Kangy ermmmmmmmm actually dead people are " non living" a stone is "dead" it never lived unless it was limestone:lol:

[Heng]

"We train young men to drop fire on people... But their commanders won't allow them to write 'f---' on their airplanes because it's obscene."

-Apocalypse Now

Not exactly a dated quote because it's pretty much true to this day. While a lot of countries that won't show the dead in the media out of respect, they do more than their fair share in creating a whole 'lotta dead bodies (and not all are 'bad guys').... but hey, at least it's not televised!

[DoubtingThomas]

BUT it was not that long ago that we did similar stuff.

Think of 'hung drawn and quartered' most people don't seem to realise what actually happened most of the time during this ritual. They don't teach the whole truth in schools anyway, well they didn't when I was at school.

Your right, lots hidden from our sweet eyes and ears.

What a load of old tosh, you lot. You talk about "us" doing these things as if it were yesterday. It was HUNDREDS of years ago. "Not so long ago", indeed. Show a little sense, please.

[GuestHouse]

We need to understand that, just as Classical and Judeo Christian ethics and teachings have influenced our views and attitudes in the west, so have Buddhist teachings here in Thailand.

There is an instruction in the Buddha's teaching encouraging people to look upon a dead body, and other aspects of the human condition, in order to learn the reality of what that human condition is.

The moral judgement made from our Western perspective is at odds with the Thai view. But the Thai view has it's own religious, cultural and moral foundations.

[jackr]

Unfortunately, (going OT), many Buddhists do need to learn some understanding about how other religions treat human remains, and treat such remains accordingly. (I'm thinking of some of the shocking scenes of disrespect that I witnessed after the Phuket plane crash a few years ago. It was ignorant disrespect, not intentional).

I remember that well, especially the bit where a charred farang passenger was carried out the wreckage, burnt off face for all to see (gaping mouth), arm rigor'd up (snatched back down) and the camera zooming in! The fascination is all a little bit childish and nothing deeper than satiation of their immature desires.

On the afterlife thing, I find that fascination particularly cringeworthy, of all religions... people spending their entire life waiting/wanting/serving an uncertainty. Maybe it exists, more likely it doesn't, but one thing's for sure, no-one knows it does, so how about living in the right now as we know that exists, <deleted>.

[AleG]

Dead people are DEAD!

There is no point respecting the dead because in reality, any respect for the dead is meant for the 'living people' who are associated with the dead.

Also, the media wish to make money out of such a thing. I suggest that the desires of the media in no way reflect the opinion of the public unless it affects 'sales'.

As an example, if your 'loved one' (anybody whom you love) is killed, it is you who demands respect, not the deceased.

It's strange & bewildering why laws are created as a result of this false respect.

Indeed the dead are past such considerations, but the living still have feelings. If I were to lose a loved one I'd be more than upset to see his/her charred, mangled or bloodied body shown on prime TV to satisfy the morbidity of people, and of course, it's traumatic on itself to see a person you loved not just dead but horribly disfigured and mutilated.