Thailand To Extradite Russian Arms Dealer Viktor Bout To US: PM Abhisit

[Rednobi]

America - The biggest arms dealer in the world.

Russia - The second biggest arms dealer in the world.

Both of them refuse to stop selling cluster bombs and land mines.

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Victor Bout - A Russian freelance arms dealer who worked for anyone that paid, including both the American and Russian governments. Whatever is really going on here it has nothing at all to do with "Justice".

Agree it's all about money and business and it is a good way to drop Russia arms sales by keeping Bout in the prison..

and then it is hard to believe a country (USA) that cover-ups more then 60% of war casualties (Afghan and IRaq) are actually civilians....hmmzzz

[waime]

It is interesting that Clinton was just here in Thailand then suddenly Bout is on his way to the U.S.

[maxman71]

I guess America had more to offer - or more to take away from Thailand.

And the post regarding the fairness of the American justice system is laughable. Do a little research and you will see the the reality of the harshness of the sentences that are handed out at random in the 'land of the free and home of the brave'.

Everyone has the right to express their opinion about a system, judicial, political, etc, with which they disagree. Those who cite a better system or propose a better method will have my support. The laws of nature seemed to work very efficiently until mankind entered into the picture. I suppose that we will be burdened with a non perfect world until we eliminate that pesky joker (humans) in the deck.

Another case of the USA trying to be the worlds policeman. I think it is time the USA retired from trying to drive the world. They cannot even manage their own problems on drugs and arms, what are they doing overseas giving it a try?

100% with you. Bloody Americans

Bloody Americans my left foot. I've heard it all before, especially when things are basically OK. But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way??? It's been more than a handful of degenerate USA bashers I know personally that cowered when N. Korea was getting extra feisty a year or so ago. And of course now a good many of SE Asian countries are cozying up to the US to send a message to China. Make no mistake, the US has made all sorts of gross errors. And I would like to see the US take a good whack out of their defense budget. But from what I see from some of the holier than thou comments on this board, I doubt a full set of balls can be assembled to take up the slack.

[Pi Sek]

But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way???

Although I agree with the fact that the USA's self-nomination as the world's policeman is helpful at times - at the same time as being extremely hypocritical (and ironically funny if it wasn't so true) - I can honestly say that I have no idea idea 'who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way'. Certainly noone I know.

It has very little to do with "gonads" as you put it. It has much more to do with "money" - and may I dare to add that the ethical high ground often turns into an ethical low ground after a little insight.

[leoalex]

I think US make some kind of hidden "special agreement" for his extradition and used all pressure on Thailand to get that guy.

But from some time I stop believe in words like 'merchant of death'. But USA looks now for me like real 'merchant of death' with all their wars - iraque etc, hollywood media to manipulate peoples opinion & mass peoples zombing, etc, etc.

[animatic]

And the post regarding the fairness of the American justice system is laughable.

Cash rules everything

Bernie Madoff, Leona Helmsley & Martha Stewart. Familiar names?

Spot on,

not to mention assorted politicians and political hatchet men

who also did time in USA prisons for crimes committed.

Often times a little fish would get a moderate or light sentence,

but the bigger fish get an example made of them.

It amazes me the number of people who get most of their knowledge of USA

from spy thrillers and Hollywierd. With the occasional far left or far right political pundit

thrown in for ... unbalance. And yet feel perfectly correct in spouting off like experts

about all the evils of the USA.

Edited November 16, 2010 by animatic

[dekbahnnok]

20 commandos & 4 US officials are going to Bang Kwang Prison preparing to take Viktor Bout to still unidentified airport. /via@nnanews /vi atukky_nt

While Victor is in the Super Max the competition will step up and fill the void. When will the Feds go after the real players...the Chinese!

[maxman71]

But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way???

Although I agree with the fact that the USA's self-nomination as the world's policeman is helpful at times - at the same time as being extremely hypocritical (and ironically funny if it wasn't so true) - I can honestly say that I have no idea idea 'who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way'. Certainly noone I know.

It has very little to do with "gonads" as you put it. It has much more to do with "money" - and may I dare to add that the ethical high ground often turns into an ethical low ground after a little insight.

Yeah, and plenty of us Yanks are sick and tired of being the role of the world's policeman. We're sick and tired of paying for it too. So why don't you Annointed Ones of Supreme Morality step up to the plate and show us dastardly Yanks how it should be done properly? You obviously don't do a lot of reading beyond left-wing liberal trash. I have posted on this thread at least twice about numerous SE Asian nations looking to the US to counter-balance China. Not ONE of you US bashers have even attempted to counter those statements. And if you want to look at hypocritical behavior of various other nations, there is plenty to be found; you just don't want to see it. Plenty of Euroland countries for example, do their share of manufacturing and selling weapons. Oh, I get it the Yanks must have made them do it.

[SergeiY]

Spot on,

not to mention assorted politicians and political hatchet men

who also did time in USA prisons for crimes committed.

Often times a little fish would get a moderate or light sentence,

but the bigger fish get an example made of them.

It amazes me the number of people who get most of their knowledge of USA

from spy thrillers and Hollywierd. With the occasional far left or far right political pundit

thrown in for ... unbalance. And yet feel perfectly correct in spouting off like experts

about all the evils of the USA.

Not to mention American soldiers who invade other countries, commit war crimes and murder civilians abroad and get medals when they return home.

And getting the knowledge from some hollywood movie is more the typical trait of an USAmerican, more than a couple of them don't understand that this Nicolas Cage is just fiction.

[whybother]

<snip>

more than a couple of them don't understand that this Nicolas Cage is just fiction.

Nicolas Cage is real.

[jdinasia]

And none of this changes the fact that Victor Bout was legally extradited from Thailand to the USA today.....

It also doesn't change the fact that in a joint operation with the Thai police and US federal agents that Victor Bout conspired to sell guns to FARC.

He's gone folks ..... off to face a trial in the USA. Why? Because after reviewing the case it was deemed to be in accordance with Thai law and international law to extradite him. Sooooo .....

Buh Bye Victor! If the US Federal court he is tried in cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bout is guilty, he will still walk. I lay the odds on him not being found guilty at about the same as a snowball not melting in hel_l

[jdinasia]

<snip>

more than a couple of them don't understand that this Nicolas Cage is just fiction.

Nicolas Cage is real.

Cage is almost real .... he was born a Coppola.

Still, he's more real that some folks pretending to be Russian

[SergeiY]

But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way???

Although I agree with the fact that the USA's self-nomination as the world's policeman is helpful at times - at the same time as being extremely hypocritical (and ironically funny if it wasn't so true) - I can honestly say that I have no idea idea 'who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way'. Certainly noone I know.

It has very little to do with "gonads" as you put it. It has much more to do with "money" - and may I dare to add that the ethical high ground often turns into an ethical low ground after a little insight.

Yeah, and plenty of us Yanks are sick and tired of being the role of the world's policeman. We're sick and tired of paying for it too. So why don't you Annointed Ones of Supreme Morality step up to the plate and show us dastardly Yanks how it should be done properly? You obviously don't do a lot of reading beyond left-wing liberal trash. I have posted on this thread at least twice about numerous SE Asian nations looking to the US to counter-balance China. Not ONE of you US bashers have even attempted to counter those statements. And if you want to look at hypocritical behavior of various other nations, there is plenty to be found; you just don't want to see it. Plenty of Euroland countries for example, do their share of manufacturing and selling weapons. Oh, I get it the Yanks must have made them do it.

No-one outside the USA wants your soldiers and your bombs dropped on small villages.. No-one ask you to be the world police and to help them out (except some third class dictators your secret service may have installed). Accept it and go home.

And don't forget - China isn't an enemy in the eyes of many other nation, nor is China here anyhow related to the topic.

[animatic]

<snip>

more than a couple of them don't understand that this Nicolas Cage is just fiction.

Nicolas Cage is real.

Touché!

[SergeiY]

<snip>

more than a couple of them don't understand that this Nicolas Cage is just fiction.

Nicolas Cage is real.

... that this movie with Nicolas Cage is just fiction...

[tomahawk]

Why don't you give it a rest, Sergi. Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever. There is no way you can have any credibility complaining about war crimes and atrocities of US. As for Victor Bout. He is totally innocent right? I think probably he won all his millions of dollars in the lottery, which he will donate to orphans and greenpeace. Communism is dead and USSR is finished. Get over it.

[tomahawk]

Why don't you give it a rest, Sergi. Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever. There is no way you can have any credibility complaining about war crimes and atrocities of US. As for Victor Bout. He is totally innocent right? I think probably he won all his millions of dollars in the lottery, which he will donate to orphans and greenpeace. Communism is dead and USSR is finished. Get over it.

[Colabamumbai]

And none of this changes the fact that Victor Bout was legally extradited from Thailand to the USA today.....

It also doesn't change the fact that in a joint operation with the Thai police and US federal agents that Victor Bout conspired to sell guns to FARC.

He's gone folks ..... off to face a trial in the USA. Why? Because after reviewing the case it was deemed to be in accordance with Thai law and international law to extradite him. Sooooo .....

Buh Bye Victor! If the US Federal court he is tried in cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bout is guilty, he will still walk. I lay the odds on him not being found guilty at about the same as a snowball not melting in hel_l

Bout is wanted for selling the bomb that landed in the Pentagon on 9/11. That is why he was entrapped. The Russians although proclaiming him a great citizen saw that his defense lawyer was a lackie destined to fail, and at the same time tricked his family in Russia. They bled him of all his money. They contributed nothing to his defence as far as money goes.

They are as much about getting him out of Thailand as was the U.S.

[animatic]

But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way???

Although I agree with the fact that the USA's self-nomination as the world's policeman is helpful at times - at the same time as being extremely hypocritical (and ironically funny if it wasn't so true) - I can honestly say that I have no idea idea 'who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way'. Certainly noone I know.

It has very little to do with "gonads" as you put it. It has much more to do with "money" - and may I dare to add that the ethical high ground often turns into an ethical low ground after a little insight.

Yeah, and plenty of us Yanks are sick and tired of being the role of the world's policeman. We're sick and tired of paying for it too. So why don't you Annointed Ones of Supreme Morality step up to the plate and show us dastardly Yanks how it should be done properly? You obviously don't do a lot of reading beyond left-wing liberal trash. I have posted on this thread at least twice about numerous SE Asian nations looking to the US to counter-balance China. Not ONE of you US bashers have even attempted to counter those statements. And if you want to look at hypocritical behavior of various other nations, there is plenty to be found; you just don't want to see it. Plenty of Euroland countries for example, do their share of manufacturing and selling weapons. Oh, I get it the Yanks must have made them do it.

No-one outside the USA wants your soldiers and your bombs dropped on small villages.. No-one ask you to be the world police and to help them out (except some third class dictators your secret service may have installed). Accept it and go home.

And don't forget - China isn't an enemy in the eyes of many other nation, nor is China here anyhow related to the topic.

"China isn't an enemy in the eyes of many other nation"

LOL

None that will say it out loud.

What an amazing transformation from bloody red/yellow commie plague to favored nation status, in spite of the economic leverage, industrial spying and gross abuse of it's market power to manipulate much of Europe, Asia and Africa for it's own burgeoning power and materials needs. China is becoming the next great colonial power in Asia, with out sending in the troupes.

Edited November 16, 2010 by animatic

[maxman71]

And none of this changes the fact that Victor Bout was legally extradited from Thailand to the USA today.....

It also doesn't change the fact that in a joint operation with the Thai police and US federal agents that Victor Bout conspired to sell guns to FARC.

He's gone folks ..... off to face a trial in the USA. Why? Because after reviewing the case it was deemed to be in accordance with Thai law and international law to extradite him. Sooooo .....

Buh Bye Victor! If the US Federal court he is tried in cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bout is guilty, he will still walk. I lay the odds on him not being found guilty at about the same as a snowball not melting in hel_l

jdinasia...it doesn't matter whether or not the Thais did this extradition legally or not. The only litmus test these Purveyors of Perfect and Politically Correct Morality follow is they need to bash the US in order to maintain their liberal socialist credentials. To many posting on this thread, since the US is getting him, it's all wrong. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if these whack jobs started a "Viktor Bout Defense Fund" or commission a knock-off tee shirt stand on Sukhumvit to make and sell "Free Viktor" tee-shirts...they'll probably throw in a Che Guevarra tee-shirt for free.

[SkyHigh]

Communism is dead, yes.

And the A-team world police is going down with it.

Welcome to new world order. Salute to bank China or you'll be starved.

[animatic]

Why don't you give it a rest, Sergi. Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever. There is no way you can have any credibility complaining about war crimes and atrocities of US. As for Victor Bout. He is totally innocent right? I think probably he won all his millions of dollars in the lottery, which he will donate to orphans and greenpeace. Communism is dead and USSR is finished. Get over it.

Also touché

A slash of nationalistic hypocrisy raised up for all to see.

[jdinasia]

And none of this changes the fact that Victor Bout was legally extradited from Thailand to the USA today.....

It also doesn't change the fact that in a joint operation with the Thai police and US federal agents that Victor Bout conspired to sell guns to FARC.

He's gone folks ..... off to face a trial in the USA. Why? Because after reviewing the case it was deemed to be in accordance with Thai law and international law to extradite him. Sooooo .....

Buh Bye Victor! If the US Federal court he is tried in cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bout is guilty, he will still walk. I lay the odds on him not being found guilty at about the same as a snowball not melting in hel_l

jdinasia...it doesn't matter whether or not the Thais did this extradition legally or not. The only litmus test these Purveyors of Perfect and Politically Correct Morality follow is they need to bash the US in order to maintain their liberal socialist credentials. To many posting on this thread, since the US is getting him, it's all wrong. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if these whack jobs started a "Viktor Bout Defense Fund" or commission a knock-off tee shirt stand on Sukhumvit to make and sell "Free Viktor" tee-shirts...they'll probably throw in a Che Guevarra tee-shirt for free.

You have watched too much FOX News (which is obvious with how you bandy about the word 'liberal' as if it is a bad thing. Most of the folks on here are just winding you up ... and you seem to welcome it.

[moskito]

It amazes me the number of people who get most of their knowledge of USA

from spy thrillers and Hollywierd. With the occasional far left or far right political pundit

thrown in for ... unbalance. And yet feel perfectly correct in spouting off like experts

about all the evils of the USA.

I guess you underestimate the community here animatic. Some of us have their input not just of hollyweired or FOX news.

May be you should come down your usamerican throne and check the (real) World out, not just the world usamerican news

make it the world.

Nobody says the USAmerican citizen is evil or bad but without any doubt your government is since the late 60s USAmerica was not

always a bad nation and nobody says something like that. I am german and happy we had the US in Berlin after the 2nd WW, but that

was not the same government like thesedays where money, oil and power is worth killing people all around the world in the name

of allmighty USAmerica.

It does not make any difference you have a black Obama President atm, there are still the same ppl behind him holding the strings

which make him dance.....

[axel2001]

Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever.

Did you watch too much CNN or Fox News?

[SergeiY]

Why don't you give it a rest, Sergi. Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever. There is no way you can have any credibility complaining about war crimes and atrocities of US. As for Victor Bout. He is totally innocent right? I think probably he won all his millions of dollars in the lottery, which he will donate to orphans and greenpeace. Communism is dead and USSR is finished. Get over it.

What this have to do with Russia or communism? For sure not a much better Nation than the USA, but does that excuse anything or justify the current killings in Pakistan and Afghanistan done by American soldiers?

What does communism and the USSR have to do with my credibility?

Bout could be German, from Australia, Egypt, Japan or Chile or wherever from - i would still argue that the USA is not in the position to judge over him.

[moetownblues]

But when there's a real or perceived threat, guess who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way???

Although I agree with the fact that the USA's self-nomination as the world's policeman is helpful at times - at the same time as being extremely hypocritical (and ironically funny if it wasn't so true) - I can honestly say that I have no idea idea 'who goes running to the Yanks to place their sons and daughters in harms way'. Certainly noone I know.

It has very little to do with "gonads" as you put it. It has much more to do with "money" - and may I dare to add that the ethical high ground often turns into an ethical low ground after a little insight.

Yeah, and plenty of us Yanks are sick and tired of being the role of the world's policeman. We're sick and tired of paying for it too. So why don't you Annointed Ones of Supreme Morality step up to the plate and show us dastardly Yanks how it should be done properly? You obviously don't do a lot of reading beyond left-wing liberal trash. I have posted on this thread at least twice about numerous SE Asian nations looking to the US to counter-balance China. Not ONE of you US bashers have even attempted to counter those statements. And if you want to look at hypocritical behavior of various other nations, there is plenty to be found; you just don't want to see it. Plenty of Euroland countries for example, do their share of manufacturing and selling weapons. Oh, I get it the Yanks must have made them do it.

The way it should be done properly is to not interfer in other countries and if they don't let you interfer then don't slaughter them. Put it this way say you are at home watching T.V with your wife and family and the next door nieghbour knock at the door and says he doesn't like what you are watching. You tell him you will watch what you like. He goes home then comes back with an AK47 murders you all and puts his friends in to live in your home. Supplies them with all the weapons they want to do as he says. It's ok he is the nieghbourhood policeman and wanders up and down the street intimidating and threatening the rest of the street to do as he says or else. That is the USA on the world scene.

The USA start all the major conflicts in the world and way? Simple ARMS. The biggest arms dealers in the world and when another player is suspected then crush him without proof. USA the land of the free the rest of the world the oppressed by the USA.

[leoalex]

And none of this changes the fact that Victor Bout was legally extradited from Thailand to the USA today.....

It also doesn't change the fact that in a joint operation with the Thai police and US federal agents that Victor Bout conspired to sell guns to FARC.

He's gone folks ..... off to face a trial in the USA. Why? Because after reviewing the case it was deemed to be in accordance with Thai law and international law to extradite him. Sooooo .....

Buh Bye Victor! If the US Federal court he is tried in cannot prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Bout is guilty, he will still walk. I lay the odds on him not being found guilty at about the same as a snowball not melting in hel_l

Bout is wanted for selling the bomb that landed in the Pentagon on 9/11. That is why he was entrapped. The Russians although proclaiming him a great citizen saw that his defense lawyer was a lackie destined to fail, and at the same time tricked his family in Russia. They bled him of all his money. They contributed nothing to his defence as far as money goes.

They are as much about getting him out of Thailand as was the U.S.

9/11 made by americans themself. so many movies, information in the net about it and have also many proofs in the inet. To get special permissions and 'Terrorist act'.

[maxman71]

Sergei...you are deluded. Sober up before you post and READ what's going on in the S. China Sea. And read further that nations such as Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc. sure are glad to be able to tap the US for some support in standing up to China. Go ask the legions of Indonesians who were sure glad the US Navy was around after the 2004 tsunami. Go ask the Bosnians who were being slaughtered until Clinton and US led the UN effort to put an end to that. Go ask the S. Koreans when back in 2003 N. Korea revealed their nuke program and S. Korea suddenly reversed their desire to have US troops leave. And, go ask China about how they have been able to enjoy their phenomenal economic growth in part because of the shipping lanes that are kept open with valuable assistance of the US Navy in critical shipping lanes like the Straits of Malacca. Do some reading Sergei...and I can accept due criticism of various US actions. What I don't accept is a one-sided, holier than thou bashing. Funny thing is, I've lived and worked in Asia for over 8 years now, and NO ONE has stated the the sort of one-sided crap you and others on this boards to my face personally. It's called cowardice when the likes of you spout your one-sided crap in the safety and comfort behind your little keyboards and clam up when a US Monster in the Flesh presents themselves to the likes of you. And, no I am not going home.

[moetownblues]

Why don't you give it a rest, Sergi. Russians have been murdering civilians in Chechnya, Georgia, afghanistan and half the world since forever. There is no way you can have any credibility complaining about war crimes and atrocities of US. As for Victor Bout. He is totally innocent right? I think probably he won all his millions of dollars in the lottery, which he will donate to orphans and greenpeace. Communism is dead and USSR is finished. Get over it.

What this have to do with Russia or communism? For sure not a much better Nation than the USA, but does that excuse anything or justify the current killings in Pakistan and Afghanistan done by American soldiers?

What does communism and the USSR have to do with my credibility?

Bout could be German, from Australia, Egypt, Japan or Chile or wherever from - i would still argue that the USA is not in the position to judge over him.