China urges restraint to South Korea and North Korea

[News_Editor]

China urges restraint to South Korea and North Korea

2010-11-25 04:06:42 GMT+7 (ICT)

BEIJING (BNO NEWS) -- China on Wednesday said it is concerned about the tense situation on the Korean Peninsula and urged restraint to South Korea and North Korea in order to avoid further conflicts, state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

The Chinese foreign ministry announced that China also urged both nations to engage in negotiations as soon as possible in order to avoid similar incidents and an escalation of armed conflicts.

"China pays close attention to the incident. We regret the casualties and property losses, and are concerned about the situation," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

Hong assured that China strongly opposes any activity that harms the peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula. He added that the Chinese government expect that the parties involved should be committed to safeguard peace and stability of the region.

In order to help achieve this objective, China is ready to make joint efforts with the relevant parties and proposed to solve the disputes through talks and consultation in a peaceful way.

North Korea executed a sudden attack consisting in over 200 artillery shells in the South Korean island of Yeonpyeong. South Korea labeled the incident as an unprovoked attack as it killed two marines and two civilians.

Many leaders have joined the condemnation of the attack. President Obama said that North Korea must stop its provocative actions, which will only lead to further isolation, and fully abide by the terms of the Armistice Agreement and its obligations under international law.

The United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon condemned the attack too and described it as one of the gravest incidents since the end of the Korean War. The Secretary-General insisted that any differences should be resolved by peaceful means and dialogue.

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[brahmburgers]

We regret the casualties and property losses, and are concerned about the situation," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

How bland can bland get? Ok, I grew up with my dad as a career man in the diplomatic corps, so I know how blanched these peoples' thinking has to be as regards public statements.

Even so, Here's China, arguably the biggest bully on the world stage (Taiwan, Tibet, South China Sea) - telling its neighbors to essentially be good boys and girls. Here's a headline for tomorrow:

China's Foreign Ministry spokesman went on to say, 'we caution against abject aggressive actions by militarily strong countries against military weaker ones.' Then an aide takes the spokesman aside and whispers in his ear, 'Sir, don't you think it's a bit ironic to make such a statement - in lieu of what our non-elected government is doing in its own backyard?' Well, of course the aide could not say any such thing. He couldn't even think such a thing, as creative thinking was abolished in China sometime in the 13th century A.D. If an aide did make such a statement, he wouldn't have a job or an apartment within a short time, and his family would be shackled for good measure.

[SergeiY]

We regret the casualties and property losses, and are concerned about the situation," Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said.

How bland can bland get? Ok, I grew up with my dad as a career man in the diplomatic corps, so I know how blanched these peoples' thinking has to be as regards public statements.

Even so, Here's China, arguably the biggest bully on the world stage (Taiwan, Tibet, South China Sea) - telling its neighbors to essentially be good boys and girls. Here's a headline for tomorrow:

China's Foreign Ministry spokesman went on to say, 'we caution against abject aggressive actions by militarily strong countries against military weaker ones.' Then an aide takes the spokesman aside and whispers in his ear, 'Sir, don't you think it's a bit ironic to make such a statement - in lieu of what our non-elected government is doing in its own backyard?' Well, of course the aide could not say any such thing. He couldn't even think such a thing, as creative thinking was abolished in China sometime in the 13th century A.D. If an aide did make such a statement, he wouldn't have a job or an apartment within a short time, and his family would be shackled for good measure.

No, the biggest bully on the the world stage and the biggest military aggressor is the USA.

[Ulysses G.]

Ask the Buddhists left in Tibet about that.

[elcent]

Very pale reaction from China, but probably they still think nobody can see through it's strategies. It's going to be very very expensive for China.

[bangkokrick]

Very pale reaction from China, but probably they still think nobody can see through it's strategies. It's going to be very very expensive for China.

Will you please enlarge on China's strategies?

Rick

[elcent]

Very pale reaction from China, but probably they still think nobody can see through it's strategies. It's going to be very very expensive for China.

Will you please enlarge on China's strategies?

Rick

For the start and starters. China(regime) is using the economic boom and the brain-dead multies(and as a result the end-consumers) to pay for it's political global ambitions, not more - not less. Pretty smart.

There's still more to say.

But that comes later.

[bangkokrick]

Very pale reaction from China, but probably they still think nobody can see through it's strategies. It's going to be very very expensive for China.

Will you please enlarge on China's strategies?

Rick

For the start and starters. China(regime) is using the economic boom and the brain-dead multies(and as a result the end-consumers) to pay for it's political global ambitions, not more - not less. Pretty smart.

There's still more to say.

But that comes later.

Ooh! you are a tease!

Rick

[elcent]

Very pale reaction from China, but probably they still think nobody can see through it's strategies. It's going to be very very expensive for China.

Will you please enlarge on China's strategies?

Rick

For the start and starters. China(regime) is using the economic boom and the brain-dead multies(and as a result the end-consumers) to pay for it's political global ambitions, not more - not less. Pretty smart.

There's still more to say.

But that comes later.

Ooh! you are a tease!

Rick

maybe.

Can you explain the reaction of this regime any better? It's ideology? It's goals?

I'm not talking about the people in general, most of them got it right. All I'm talking about is the regime, the handful of indivifuals taking or trying to take the world hostage.

This kind of regime has no space for empathy, it's just ice-cold calculation to further it's ill intentioned goals of ill intentioned spirits.The Chinese regime is not much different from the NK regime.

They have a chance to prove otherwise, why don't they do it? hmm ...

[SergeiY]

Ask the Buddhists left in Tibet about that.

:jerk:

Just look who goes immediately into a war mood, the commies in China or the good Christian from the USA.

[Ulysses G.]

Are you referring to Tiananmen Square?

[elcent]

Ask the Buddhists left in Tibet about that.

:jerk:

Just look who goes immediately into a war mood, the commies in China or the good Christian from the USA.

Sergey, do you think the Chinese are serious about restrain? Aren't they the conductors of these actions? It is in their hand. But all we get is a tactical lukewarm statement topped with a provocation.

I'm all for peaceful measures. I think the Americans and South Koreans too and I'm looking forward when the Chinese people will topple their regime once and for all.

[bangkokrick]

Reply to Elcent.

I think that you comments show a total over reaction against the Chinese. The situation is that the Nk attacked a SK island without provocation, so I don't see what that has to do with China at this moment in time. There have been skirmishes between the two parties since the Korean war and there will likely be more in the future. The Chinese have told NK to behave and hopefully they will and there is probably more dialogue going on in the background that we don't know about.

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further. Also maybe the Chinese might not want the American fleet parked on it's door step for what ever reason, can you imagine what would happen if an American ship is fired on. We are straight back to the situation in the 50's.

The situation should be sorted out locally by negotiations involving the two parties and there should not be any outside involvement at this stage. It will only make matters worse in the long term.

Rick

[Ulysses G.]

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further.

Too bad. They attacked an ally with no provocation. Ignoring it might have even worse consequences.

Edited November 25, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[bangkokrick]

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further.

Too bad. They attacked an ally with no provocation. Ignoring it might have even worse consequences.

What has this to do with the US at this stage. Do you think that by getting the 'big boys' involved will make matters better? Jong il is a lunatic and he in possession of the 4th largest land army in the world along with probable nuclear weapons. He is dying and might just want to go out with a bang. It is a very dangerous situation and one that should be watched closely, but as I said earlier let them sort their own shit out.

Rick

[Ulysses G.]

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further.

Too bad. They attacked an ally with no provocation. Ignoring it might have even worse consequences.

What has this to do with the US at this stage.

The U.S. has a s____load of soldiers stationed in South Korea and the Korean war has never officially ended. There is every reason for America to be involved.

[koheesti]

Jong il is a lunatic and he in possession of the 4th largest land army in the world along with probable nuclear weapons.

FWIW, in Jan 1991, Saddam had the 4th largest land army in the world as well. By March a large chunk had been buried in the desert.

[SergeiY]

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further.

Too bad. They attacked an ally with no provocation. Ignoring it might have even worse consequences.

What has this to do with the US at this stage.

The U.S. has a s____load of soldiers stationed in South Korea and the Korean war has never officially ended. There is every reason for America to be involved.

There are many reason why USAmerican soldiers should just go home.

[koheesti]

The U.S. has a s____load of soldiers stationed in South Korea and the Korean war has never officially ended. There is every reason for America to be involved.

There are many reason why USAmerican soldiers should just go home.

Yes, there are. for one, countries like China and Russia don't like having someone nearby protecting countries they want to feast upon, eh Sergei?

One reason I think we should pull out is because of the wars that will erupt in hot spots around the world with the US no longer guaranteeing security. Let these other countries destroy each other - and each other's economies and overwhelmingly anti-American populations (as I am often reminded on this forum, the world hates the USA). In the meantime, we can concentrate at home and become stronger. The US can then "come late to the party" - as some refer to the US entry into WWI and WWII - clean up the mess, and usher in another 2-3 decades where the US makes up over 50% of the world's economy. Ah, I'm getting all nostalgic.

Edited November 26, 2010 by koheesti

[cdnvic]

Stick to the specific topic please, keep the national pride/yankee go home speeches out of it.

[hammered]

A sensible statement from China which seems to be assuming its new enhanced world role very well

[bangkokrick]

A sensible statement from China which seems to be assuming its new enhanced world role very well

Agreed hammered.

Rick

[bangkokrick]

Jong il is a lunatic and he in possession of the 4th largest land army in the world along with probable nuclear weapons.

FWIW, in Jan 1991, Saddam had the 4th largest land army in the world as well. By March a large chunk had been buried in the desert.

The geography is very different in this situation and also Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction. Any way we are talking about NK, SK and China are we not?

Rick

[SergeiY]

A sensible statement from China which seems to be assuming its new enhanced world role very well

Yep, but whatever China does the usual China haters will jump on it.

[geriatrickid]

Reply to Elcent.

I think that you comments show a total over reaction against the Chinese. The situation is that the Nk attacked a SK island without provocation, so I don't see what that has to do with China at this moment in time. There have been skirmishes between the two parties since the Korean war and there will likely be more in the future. The Chinese have told NK to behave and hopefully they will and there is probably more dialogue going on in the background that we don't know about.

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further. Also maybe the Chinese might not want the American fleet parked on it's door step for what ever reason, can you imagine what would happen if an American ship is fired on. We are straight back to the situation in the 50's.

The situation should be sorted out locally by negotiations involving the two parties and there should not be any outside involvement at this stage. It will only make matters worse in the long term.

Rick

No, Elcent got it right. North Korea is able to do what it does because China supports it. If China were to tighten the leash, maybe NK would behave. Of course, some Chinese diplomats may liken the situation to having a rabid animal on a leash. When the animal has lost its mind, a leash won't help. However, the fact remains, that NK is where it is now solely because the Chinese have propped the regime up.

The US aircraft carrier and its support ships are going to Korea with the full appreciation and support of both South Korea and Japan. To not go sends the message that the USA has abandoned its allies and would destabilize the region even more. It would convey to NK that the USA wouldn't back SK or Japan. The USA enjoys the full support of the western world governments in this mission to avert further attacks.

You suggest negotiations. Ok, but who is there to negotiate with? Do you have any idea of how the NK negotiates? I suggest you pick up the memoirs of some of the diplomats that have dealt with the NK. There is no reason, just demonstrations of mass mental illness brought about by a cult like prison state environment. Read this;

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/22/world/la-fg-north-korea-negotiators-20101123

I predict that when the elder Kim dies, the Chinese will arrange a regime change and China will have one of its North Korean army generals take over. The days of the Kim clan are coming to an end.

Edited November 26, 2010 by geriatrickid

[koheesti]

Stick to the specific topic please, keep the national pride/yankee go home speeches out of it.

Sorry from my end. I got mixed up on which of the three Korean threads here I was posting on.

[siampolee]

geriatrickidI predict that when the elder Kim dies, the Chinese will arrange a regime change and China will have one of its North Korean army generals take over. The days of the Kim clan are coming to an end.

Whilst you and I have disagreed in the past on many matters I am in accordance with your theory.

For all its faults China cannot afford to have the elephant in the room scenario that North Korea is creating,

If not an open military replacement by the Chinese I do feel a Chinese hand will be slid up the rectum of the new Kim and as such the manipulation will be effective, possibly painful too!!

China has enough internal problems to cope with, China does not want nor does China need an untrained pampers clad Kim crapping in their back yard to complicate matters further.

[koheesti]

Jong il is a lunatic and he in possession of the 4th largest land army in the world along with probable nuclear weapons.

FWIW, in Jan 1991, Saddam had the 4th largest land army in the world as well. By March a large chunk had been buried in the desert.

The geography is very different in this situation and also Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction. Any way we are talking about NK, SK and China are we not?

Rick

I made the concrete point that having the 4th largest army in the world doesn't mean that much - whether it was in Iraq or NK. The difference between #1 and #2 is great, but between #1 and #4 is massive. Have you ever seen footage of a North Korean military parade? All of these soldiers marching in perfect star formations? They probably spend more time practicing how to march in front of their Dear Leader than they do on the firing range where bullets cost money which NK does not have. The only certain threat NK poses is all the artillery they have pointed at Seoul.

[koheesti]

geriatrickidI predict that when the elder Kim dies, the Chinese will arrange a regime change and China will have one of its North Korean army generals take over. The days of the Kim clan are coming to an end.

Whilst you and I have disagreed in the past on many matters I am in accordance with your theory.

For all its faults China cannot afford to have the elephant in the room scenario that North Korea is creating,

If not an open military replacement by the Chinese I do feel a Chinese hand will be slid up the rectum of the new Kim and as such the manipulation will be effective, possibly painful too!!

China has enough internal problems to cope with, China does not want nor does China need an untrained pampers clad Kim crapping in their back yard to complicate matters further.

The new kid in NK is such a big basketball fan, all the Chinese have to do is arrange private training sessions with Yao Ming and he'll give the Chinese anything they want in exchange.

If I remember correctly, back in the 90's one American delegation gave NK a basketball autographed by Michael Jordon for the Dear Leader's son.

[bangkokrick]

Reply to Elcent.

I think that you comments show a total over reaction against the Chinese. The situation is that the Nk attacked a SK island without provocation, so I don't see what that has to do with China at this moment in time. There have been skirmishes between the two parties since the Korean war and there will likely be more in the future. The Chinese have told NK to behave and hopefully they will and there is probably more dialogue going on in the background that we don't know about.

The American fleet entering these waters will only be seen as provocative by the NK's and might even escalate the situation further. Also maybe the Chinese might not want the American fleet parked on it's door step for what ever reason, can you imagine what would happen if an American ship is fired on. We are straight back to the situation in the 50's.

The situation should be sorted out locally by negotiations involving the two parties and there should not be any outside involvement at this stage. It will only make matters worse in the long term.

Rick

No, Elcent got it right. North Korea is able to do what it does because China supports it. If China were to tighten the leash, maybe NK would behave. Of course, some Chinese diplomats may liken the situation to having a rabid animal on a leash. When the animal has lost its mind, a leash won't help. However, the fact remains, that NK is where it is now solely because the Chinese have propped the regime up.

The US aircraft carrier and its support ships are going to Korea with the full appreciation and support of both South Korea and Japan. To not go sends the message that the USA has abandoned its allies and would destabilize the region even more. It would convey to NK that the USA wouldn't back SK or Japan. The USA enjoys the full support of the western world governments in this mission to avert further attacks.

You suggest negotiations. Ok, but who is there to negotiate with? Do you have any idea of how the NK negotiates? I suggest you pick up the memoirs of some of the diplomats that have dealt with the NK. There is no reason, just demonstrations of mass mental illness brought about by a cult like prison state environment. Read this;

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/nov/22/world/la-fg-north-korea-negotiators-20101123

I predict that when the elder Kim dies, the Chinese will arrange a regime change and China will have one of its North Korean army generals take over. The days of the Kim clan are coming to an end.

The USA fleet are going to hold joint naval exercises with SK that they say were previously planned. I doubt that this is true and was brought on by the conflict. There has to be negotiation here, maybe involving the Chinese on the part of the NK's.

I agree that there will be changes when the old git dies. ( I don't mean you). and it's not before time.

Rick