Interpol issues 'red notice' for arrest of WikiLeaks' Julian Assange

[koheesti]

I'm supposed to believe there are secret cables floating the Internet, in the hands of thousands of people, providing evidence of a US-UK government conspiracy in the murder of Princess Diana directly involving Pres. Clinton and Tony Blair - which is a story to rival 9/11 - AND NO ONE BUT THIS ONE GUY IS TALKING ABOUT IT? Do people actually believe this stuff?

Edited December 13, 2010 by koheesti

[Wallaby]

Whick also leads me to wonder why the big upoar of 'secret' cables being Released and calling for the head of Assange when thousands of people had access to them anyway. With so many having access you could hardly then say they are too secret and are very hurtful etc.

[Kwasaki]

Sorry if been mentioned already not been following this much on Thaivisa but I think that the charges brought against Assange on alleged sex charges need to be got out of the way first.

Watching Russian English news RT this morning legal experts were saying the Wilkileaks documents case that is trying to be built against him to bring charges is just full of double standards and just another case of America moving the goal posts to suit themselves.

[Ulysses G.]

That is quite normal in most countries when it comes to laws.

[Kwasaki]

That is quite normal in most countries when it comes to laws.

Yes, sadly that seems to be the case, the law is supposed to be base on what is reasonable but not always the case.

[Wallaby]

Sweden have asked for his extradition first so they will have to finish their case against him. If he happens to be sent to jail in Sweden for the alleged crimes then the US would, if they wished, could start procedings for extradition whilst he is in jail. The extradition hearing could take place and be determined.

If that extradition hearing determines he is to go to the US to face charges then he will be extradited at the completion of this jail term in Sweden.

If Sweden drops all charges and Assange is free to go on his way then the US would have to request an extradition from whatever country he is in at the time.

Which just leads me to think that the US have had months to charge him but can't seem to find anything to charge him with. Seems pretty simple, he disseminated classified documents that were provided to him. He did this months and months ago. It is a lot more simple than a charge of murder and that can be done within hours.

However, the top lawyers in the US have been unable to find a charge as of yet. I would think they are very grateful that the UK has him at the moment, and then maybe Sweden will then have to determine his fate which will give the US more time to find something whilst knowing his whereabouts.

I would think that if the US govt was going to be fair and just about it when/if they charge Assange with anything then they should also charge other news organisations that have published the leaks. They could also just admit that he hasn't done anything illegal, introduce new laws to cover such events and then charge anyone who does it in future.

But then again, we are talking about the US govt and they will do whatever they want regardless of it's legality.

[Ulysses G.]

I would think that if the US govt was going to be fair and just about it when/if they charge Assange with anything then they should also charge other news organizations that have published the leaks.

No. Assange disseminated them in the first place and then when they were available to everyone they then became news. They could charge other news organizations, but probably won't as what they did was much more reasonable. The information was already public and news. Edited December 13, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[chuckd]

I got this little gem off the same site as KhunAussie52 used. Mine is actually on topic and considerably more believable.

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Julian Assange Has An Online Dating Profile, And It Says He's "87% Slut"

Joe Weisenthal | Dec. 12, 2010, 6:38 PM | 3,209 | 11A A A

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Hey, look at that! Julian Assange has/had an online dating profile at OKCupid.com (via Gawker). He's listed under the name Harry Harrison, but there's no mystery really, when looking at the pictures.

And his description is about what you'd expect -- arrogant, anti-establishment, etc.

His last time online was December 2006. He describes himself this way:

WARNING: Want a regular, down to earth guy? Keep moving. I am not the droid you're looking for. Save us both while you still can.

Passionate, and often pig headed activist intellectual seeks siren for love affair, children and occasional criminal conspiracy.

Such a woman should spirited and playful, of high intelligence, though not necessarily formally educated, have spunk, class & inner strength and be able to think strategically about the world and the people she cares about.

I like women from countries that have sustained political turmoil. Western culture seems to forge women that are valueless and inane. OK. Not only women!

Although I am pretty intellectually and physically pugnacious I am very protective of women and children.

What's he doing with his life?

Directing a consuming, dangerous human rights project which is, as you might expect, male dominated. Variously professionally involved in international journalism/books, documentaries, cryptography, intelligence agencies, civil rights, political activism, white collar crime and the internet. Formal background in neuroscience, mathematics, physics and philosophy.

And the most private thing he's willing to share?

I have asian teengirl stalkers. Hello.

He also took a series of quizzes on the site. On the slut test, he scores an 87%.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/julian-assange-online-dating-profile-2010-12#ixzz17yHUkMEJ

[Ulysses G.]

pig headed activist

[Credo]

The US Government can attempt to try him on a number of charges, however, it's not the government that will be trying him, it will be the courts and the courts are pretty protective of the first Amendment.  If he asks for a jury trial, he's got a fair chance of getting off.  So, the Government, if they decide to try him, have to have a reasonably air-tight case.  Once he walks, the precedence is set and those following him could be a great deal more dangerous than this one is.

Most of what I have read is not all that damaging.  It's just frank exchanges about situations.  There's information that is embarrassing to have out there, but not much that is really Earth shattering.  

Personally, I find it to be about as exciting as watching E-news.  

[softgeorge]

The US Government can attempt to try him on a number of charges, however, it's not the government that will be trying him, it will be the courts and the courts are pretty protective of the first Amendment. If he asks for a jury trial, he's got a fair chance of getting off. So, the Government, if they decide to try him, have to have a reasonably air-tight case. Once he walks, the precedence is set and those following him could be a great deal more dangerous than this one is.

Most of what I have read is not all that damaging. It's just frank exchanges about situations. There's information that is embarrassing to have out there, but not much that is really Earth shattering.

Personally, I find it to be about as exciting as watching E-news.

recieved a few emails of various leaks from a mate and forwarded them on to some other mates. Just sitting back now waiting for a knock on the door from the Americans. I won't be lonely in a US prison because there is going to be hundred's of thousands of us in there. Better start building a couple of hundred more prisons in the US.

[chuckd]

One simple little matter most of the Assange apologists are forgetting.

Do you realize how much money and time he will have to spend if he is charged with espionage? Defending oneself from federal charges is an expensive venture, probably in the millions of US$.

Never mind a conviction. Simply being charged could have profound effects on his lifestyle. Well, maybe not his lifestyle since he seems to live off lonely women anyway, but certainly his freedom to travel where ever he wishes. If he is charged he will have to learn all about extradition treaties and who has them with the US.

His life is not likely to become any more comfortable in the near future.

[KhunAussie52]

One simple little matter most of the Assange apologists are forgetting.

Do you realize how much money and time he will have to spend if he is charged with espionage? Defending oneself from federal charges is an expensive venture, probably in the millions of US$.

Never mind a conviction. Simply being charged could have profound effects on his lifestyle. Well, maybe not his lifestyle since he seems to live off lonely women anyway, but certainly his freedom to travel where ever he wishes. If he is charged he will have to learn all about extradition treaties and who has them with the US.

His life is not likely to become any more comfortable in the near future.

Many of his supporters are waiting for the US to apologize...........................fat chance

[chuckd]

One simple little matter most of the Assange apologists are forgetting.

Do you realize how much money and time he will have to spend if he is charged with espionage? Defending oneself from federal charges is an expensive venture, probably in the millions of US$.

Never mind a conviction. Simply being charged could have profound effects on his lifestyle. Well, maybe not his lifestyle since he seems to live off lonely women anyway, but certainly his freedom to travel where ever he wishes. If he is charged he will have to learn all about extradition treaties and who has them with the US.

His life is not likely to become any more comfortable in the near future.

Many of his supporters are waiting for the US to apologize...........................fat chance

Apologize?

Apologize for being upset that he has willingly and with malice aforethought received stolen goods?

As you say....fat chance.

PS: What did you think of post #669? Is that a pregnant silence I hear?

[koheesti]

Sweden have asked for his extradition first so they will have to finish their case against him. If he happens to be sent to jail in Sweden for the alleged crimes then the US would, if they wished, could start procedings for extradition whilst he is in jail. The extradition hearing could take place and be determined.

If that extradition hearing determines he is to go to the US to face charges then he will be extradited at the completion of this jail term in Sweden.

If Sweden drops all charges and Assange is free to go on his way then the US would have to request an extradition from whatever country he is in at the time.

Which just leads me to think that the US have had months to charge him but can't seem to find anything to charge him with. Seems pretty simple, he disseminated classified documents that were provided to him. He did this months and months ago. It is a lot more simple than a charge of murder and that can be done within hours.

However, the top lawyers in the US have been unable to find a charge as of yet. I would think they are very grateful that the UK has him at the moment, and then maybe Sweden will then have to determine his fate which will give the US more time to find something whilst knowing his whereabouts.

I would think that if the US govt was going to be fair and just about it when/if they charge Assange with anything then they should also charge other news organisations that have published the leaks. They could also just admit that he hasn't done anything illegal, introduce new laws to cover such events and then charge anyone who does it in future.

But then again, we are talking about the US govt and they will do whatever they want regardless of it's legality.

Do you realise that your last sentence goes against everything you wrote before it? Obviously the US doesn't do what they want otherwise Assange would be locked up - UNLESS they like what he is leaking. The most damaging to the US was the cable about Hillary asking people to spy. This might have ruined her career and as the only real threat for the Democrat nomination in 2012, well, you don't need to be a conspiracy nut to do the math.

[KhunAussie52]

WikiLeaks and the Constitution

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

:jap:

Edited December 13, 2010 by KhunAussie52

[Wallaby]

Yes I do realise that my last sentence is opposed to everything I said before. What I said was coherent common sense and following law. My last sentence was that the US govt doesn't follow law or common sense otherwise they wouldn't be in an illegal war in Iraq and torturing prisoners and using extraordinary rendition.

When the law prohibits such things the US govt decides Of course they will try and be nice and if the other govt doesn't play ball they will use pressure, then if that doesn't work they'll just do it anyway.

Chuckd, Assange isn't parting with a cent at the moment, his barrister is doing it probono. However, if it comes to the point of him having to pay and he passes the assets test then, like every australian, the aussie govt foots the bill.

In a case as important as this I would imagine us taxpayers will be paying for it. Not a problem, there are worse people that are provided with assistance so I don't think it will be an issue.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Wallaby

[chuckd]

Yeah, I thought he was probably getting his legal services pro bono. That seems to be the way this guy gets everything, from his legal counsel to his sex. I just wonder how much longer the legal firm will be willing to foot the bill for Assange's "indiscretions"?

What a hero.

[Ulysses G.]

But then again, we are talking about the US govt and they will do whatever they want regardless of it's legality.

Can you name any country that does everything ethically and legally and is beyond reproach?

[KhunAussie52]

But then again, we are talking about the US govt and they will do whatever they want regardless of it's legality.

Can you name any country that does everything ethically and legally and is beyond reproach?

But The US is by far, the best at everything

[KhunAussie52]

WikiLeaks and the Constitution

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

:jap:

Andrew Paolo Napolitano (born June 6, 1950 in Newark, New Jersey) is a former New Jersey Superior Court Judge and now a political and legal analyst for Fox News Channel. Napolitano started on the channel in 1998, and currently serves as the network's senior judicial analyst, commenting on legal news and trials. He is a graduate of Princeton University (where he was a founding member of the Concerned Alumni of Princeton) and Notre Dame Law School. Napolitano is not related to U.S. Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano.

Napolitano sat on the New Jersey bench from 1987 to 1995, becoming the state's youngest then-sitting Superior Court judge. He also served as an adjunct professor at Seton Hall University School of Law for 11 years. Napolitano resigned his judgeship in 1995 to pursue his writing and television career.

[Wallaby]

Chuckd, Assange didn't ask for it to be pro bono. Geoffrey Robertson QC is one of the most respected barristers on constitutional law and extradition law in both the UK and Australia. It was he who requested the work pro bono and jumped on a plain to go over and assist him.

Just what is it you have against someone getting sex for free? Do you think everyone should have to pay for it?

You obviously have nothing against the leaks as all you are thinking about is trying to put shit on Assange. As I have stated before, I couldn't care less if it was Charles Manson publishing the leaks, the person behind it has nothing to do with it.

Typical of both the US govt and my own govt, instead of dealing with the facts and the issues they go after the man in an attempt to discredit him. But it doesn't hold water in this case as we all know the leaks to be true so any attempt to assasinate his reputation really is a nonsense and shows they just trying to move the goalposts.

But I'm afraid Jo Public is well aware of this tactic and is not buying it.

In short, Wikileaks is not about the man, it is about the system and the freedom of speech haters just have to get over it.

Edited December 13, 2010 by Wallaby

[KhunAussie52]

Chuckd, Assange didn't ask for it to be pro bono. Geoffrey Robertson QC is one of the most respected barristers on constitutional law and extradition law in both the UK and Australia. It was he who requested the work pro bono and jumped on a plain to go over and assist him.

Just what is it you have against someone getting sex for free? Do you think everyone should have to pay for it?

You obviously have nothing against the leaks as all you are thinking about is trying to put shit on Assange. As I have stated before, I couldn't care less if it was Charles Manson publishing the leaks, the person behind it has nothing to do with it.

Typical of both the US govt and my own govt, instead of dealing with the facts and the issues they go after the man in an attempt to discredit him. But it doesn't hold water in this case as we all know the leaks to be true so any attempt to assasinate his reputation really is a nonsense and shows they just trying to move the goalposts.

But I'm afraid Jo Public is well aware of this tactic and is not buying it.

In short, Wikileaks is not about the man, it is about the system and the freedom of speech haters just have to get over it.

I second the motion................:jap:

[Wallaby]

Softgeorge, just use the ignore button. Easy.

[softgeorge]

Softgeorge, just use the ignore button. Easy.

How do you do that? I am new.. This guy really gets tempetures boiling. Why is his conduct allowed on here.

[metisdead]

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[KhunAussie52]

I would be interested in the answer from................???

Thank you......:jap:

Edited December 13, 2010 by KhunAussie52

[KhunAussie52]

Thank you!!

[Wallaby]

Softgeorge, just use the ignore button. Easy.

How do you do that? I am new.. This guy really gets tempetures boiling. Why is his conduct allowed on here.

I've sent you a PM explaining how to do it and an answer to your last question.

[venturalaw]

Softgeorge, just use the ignore button. Easy.

How do you do that? I am new.. This guy really gets tempetures boiling. Why is his conduct allowed on here.

This was asked previously and ignored: Where and when did UG mention the word Australia? What is the "conduct" to which you are referring that would "get tempetures" (temperatures) boiling?

Edited December 13, 2010 by venturalaw