WikiLeaks website again offline after company cuts DNS service

[cdnvic]

I don't see anyone mocking the Eureka flag here. The mocking is directed at Wikileaks, whom the Eureka flag has no connection. Now please move on.

Well with all due respect I guess it is something only an aussie can see.

No I get it, (part of a shared history)

The Eureka Flag was originally a war flag used by the Eureka Rebellion of 1854 at Ballarat in Victoria, Australia. Believed to have been designed by Canadian miner, "Captain" Henry Ross - Wikipedia/ABC

It's just off-topic as nobody trashed the Eureka flag now I don't want to see any more off topic posts, two of which I just deleted.

[metisdead]

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[metisdead]

More off topic posts removed from view.

[Ulysses G.]

The WikiLeaks flag

Now you are being extremely abusive and insulting to Australians by mocking the Eureka flag.

Not guilty. My post had nothing to do with Australians or Australia. It was meant to suggest that WikiLeaks is bent on causing anarchy.

[LaoPo]

Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 2194 sites (updated 2010-12-16 17:45 GMT)

http://213.251.145.96/Mirrors.html

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

Arianna Huffington

Posted: December 15, 2010 09:19 PM

The Media Gets It Wrong on WikiLeaks: It's About Broken Trust, Not Broken Condoms

I attend a lot of conferences on media and technology -- indeed, they might actually be the biggest growth sector of the media -- but the one I attended this past weekend was one of the most fascinating I've been to in quite a while. Entitled "A Symposium on WikiLeaks and Internet Freedom," the one-day event was sponsored by the Personal Democracy Forum and was moderated by the group's Micah Sifry and Andrew Rasiej.

The WikiLeaks story is an ever-shifting one -- witness the latest twists of the Air Force blocking its personnel from accessing more than 25 news sites that have posted material released by WikiLeaks, and the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

One of the problems with the WikiLeaks story is that there has been way too much conflating going on, as Katrin Verclas pointed out at the symposium. So some serious unconflating (disconflating?) is in order.

I see four main aspects to the story. The first important aspect of the revelations is... the revelations.

Continues here:

http://www.huffingto...o_b_797436.html

LaoPo

[Ulysses G.]

the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

The Huffington Post. What an unbiased source.

Manning is getting exactly what one could expect for violating his military oath. I almost feel sorry for him as he very well may do life in a Marine Corp brig and that will be most harsh.

[LaoPo]

17 December 2010 Last updated at 03:52 GMT

Wikileaks' Julian Assange tells of 'smear campaign'

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange has said attempts to extradite him to Sweden over sexual assault allegations are part of a "smear" campaign.

Mr Assange is staying at a house near Bungay, Suffolk, after being freed on bail by the High Court in London while awaiting extradition proceedings.

He said more information would be published by the whistle-blowing website following his release.

Mr Assange denies the allegations made by Swedish prosecutors.

'Disturbing aspects'

Speaking to BBC Newsnight, the 39-year-old Australian said of the case against him: "My feeling is in fact that there's a number of different interests - personal, domestic and international - that are all feeding from this process and encouraging it and pushing it along.

Continues:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12015140

LaoPo

[LaoPo]

the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

The Huffington Post. What an unbiased source.

Manning is getting exactly what one could expect for violating his military oath. I almost feel sorry for him as he very well may do life in a Marine Corp brig and that will be most harsh.

"As Salon's Glenn Greenwald reported on Wednesday, Manning, who has been accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of any crime but has been detained at the U.S. Marine brig in Quantico "under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture." "

From:

http://www.huffingto...-_n_797276.html

and:

The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

http://www.salon.com...ning/index.html

LaoPo

[beechguy]

the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

The Huffington Post. What an unbiased source.

Manning is getting exactly what one could expect for violating his military oath. I almost feel sorry for him as he very well may do life in a Marine Corp brig and that will be most harsh.

"As Salon's Glenn Greenwald reported on Wednesday, Manning, who has been accused of leaking classified documents to WikiLeaks, has never been convicted of any crime but has been detained at the U.S. Marine brig in Quantico "under conditions that constitute cruel and inhumane treatment and, by the standards of many nations, even torture." "

From:

http://www.huffingto...-_n_797276.html

and:

The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

http://www.salon.com...ning/index.html

LaoPo

No sympathy for the S.O.B. Plenty of his fellow soldiers are laying in a bunker or sand pit without a pillow or sheet getting shot it. He made his choice, so he can deal with it.

[flying]

No sympathy for the S.O.B. Plenty of his fellow soldiers are laying in a bunker or sand pit without a pillow or sheet getting shot it. He made his choice, so he can deal with it.

Yes & hopefully those laying in a bunker/sand pit or a grave were not sent there via a pack of lies.....Would be a sad day for all the dead soldiers parents to find the supposed *right* choice their child made may have been based on lies.

That aside....from LP's linked article...

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

Remember back before the constitution sapping patriot<sic> act when citizens got a speedy trial or habeas corpus? Welcome to the New Amerika

Remember when it was considered patriotic to question your government? ......No Longer

Remember when folks called this type of suppression communistic? Yet now many cheer for it to not only be successful but increased.

What happened to you sheeple?

[animatic]

the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

The Huffington Post. What an unbiased source.

Manning is getting exactly what one could expect for violating his military oath. I almost feel sorry for him as he very well may do life in a Marine Corp brig and that will be most harsh.

Agreed, Manning was given trust to defend the nation, a security clearance, and a military code of ethics to adhere to. He has abrogated those by clearly breaking laws on national security, similar to what most nations have. I will not be surprised if he gets 30 years in Leavenworth.

Freedom of expression does not include many forms of speech and written words.

The simplest is shouting fire in a crowded theater, but not exclusively this one.

The main question is; was it any form of international espionage for a foreign national(s),

Assange and crew, to accept and disseminate stolen national security classified documents.

The pig-pile to bash the USA in the post Bush era is somewhat understandable,

but the misunderstanding of the legal issues is astounding in many quarters.

And much of the damage is not happening in USA, but to the diplomats of other nations.

Focusing on solely Manning and Assange's actions or the US State Department,

is not necessarily where the problems lie. Many governments and security branches of

which are not as bound to ANY code of extra-national conduct, other than embarrassment.

Assange has much to worry about from other than USA interests.

It is still patriotic to question your government, it is not patriotic to do what Manning has done.

Just the inverse.

Edited December 18, 2010 by animatic

[jayjay0]

OK Scottie

beam me up. I have had enough.

Lets find a planet where the pastime is not riding dead horses.

[animatic]

OK Scottie

beam me up. I have had enough.

Lets find a planet where the pastime is not riding dead horses.

Or shooting them for philosophical fun and games.

[mark45y]

No sympathy for the S.O.B. Plenty of his fellow soldiers are laying in a bunker or sand pit without a pillow or sheet getting shot it. He made his choice, so he can deal with it.

Yes & hopefully those laying in a bunker/sand pit or a grave were not sent there via a pack of lies.....Would be a sad day for all the dead soldiers parents to find the supposed *right* choice their child made may have been based on lies.

That aside....from LP's linked article...

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

Remember back before the constitution sapping patriot<sic> act when citizens got a speedy trial or habeas corpus? Welcome to the New Amerika

Remember when it was considered patriotic to question your government? ......No Longer

Remember when folks called this type of suppression communistic? Yet now many cheer for it to not only be successful but increased.

What happened to you sheeple?

What happened?

Got tired of people trying to bait us by spelling America with a K and calling American people “Sheeple.”

[beechguy]

No sympathy for the S.O.B. Plenty of his fellow soldiers are laying in a bunker or sand pit without a pillow or sheet getting shot it. He made his choice, so he can deal with it.

Yes & hopefully those laying in a bunker/sand pit or a grave were not sent there via a pack of lies.....Would be a sad day for all the dead soldiers parents to find the supposed *right* choice their child made may have been based on lies.

That aside....from LP's linked article...

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

Remember back before the constitution sapping patriot<sic> act when citizens got a speedy trial or habeas corpus? Welcome to the New Amerika

Remember when it was considered patriotic to question your government? ......No Longer

Remember when folks called this type of suppression communistic? Yet now many cheer for it to not only be successful but increased.

What happened to you sheeple?

I'm sort of getting of topic, but for the first part, I don't necessarily agree with how the wars have been carried out, but I don't think they were started based on lies. Too many things were going on well before March 2003.

For the second part, Manning is being processed through the UCMJ system, not through the civilian legal system and there can be major differences. As others have stated, he is under an obligation because of his agreement with the U.S. Military and had further responsibilities because of his security clearance to safeguard that information. So most, if not all your comments do not apply to him in this case.

Edited December 18, 2010 by beechguy

[venturalaw]

No sympathy for the S.O.B. Plenty of his fellow soldiers are laying in a bunker or sand pit without a pillow or sheet getting shot it. He made his choice, so he can deal with it.

Yes & hopefully those laying in a bunker/sand pit or a grave were not sent there via a pack of lies.....Would be a sad day for all the dead soldiers parents to find the supposed *right* choice their child made may have been based on lies.

That aside....from LP's linked article...

In sum, Manning has been subjected for many months without pause to inhumane, personality-erasing, soul-destroying, insanity-inducing conditions of isolation similar to those perfected at America's Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado: all without so much as having been convicted of anything. And as is true of many prisoners subjected to warped treatment of this sort, the brig's medical personnel now administer regular doses of anti-depressants to Manning to prevent his brain from snapping from the effects of this isolation.

Remember back before the constitution sapping patriot<sic> act when citizens got a speedy trial or habeas corpus? Welcome to the New Amerika

Remember when it was considered patriotic to question your government? ......No Longer

Remember when folks called this type of suppression communistic? Yet now many cheer for it to not only be successful but increased.

What happened to you sheeple?

I recall when long ago those who claimed to be 'patriotic' by 'questioning' the government were the same who proudly announced that it was "Cool" to "turn-on and drop-out". If one believes this to be the path to greater enlightenment, then it is understandable why one would cheer the efforts of Assange to create chaos.

[Ulysses G.]

The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

Manning is in the army and is being held according to The Uniform Code of Military Justice and is being treated like any other soldier accused of such serious crimes.

I'm sure that the combat Marines who are guarding him will be most kind and polite.

Edited December 18, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts and replies have been removed from view.

[KhunAussie52]

the shocking treatment of Bradley Manning, the U.S. Army private accused of being the source of the leaks.

The Huffington Post. What an unbiased source.

Manning is getting exactly what one could expect for violating his military oath. I almost feel sorry for him as he very well may do life in a Marine Corp brig and that will be most harsh.

Agreed, Manning was given trust to defend the nation, a security clearance, and a military code of ethics to adhere to. He has abrogated those by clearly breaking laws on national security, similar to what most nations have. I will not be surprised if he gets 30 years in Leavenworth.

Freedom of expression does not include many forms of speech and written words.

The simplest is shouting fire in a crowded theater, but not exclusively this one.

The main question is; was it any form of international espionage for a foreign national(s),

Assange and crew, to accept and disseminate stolen national security classified documents.

The pig-pile to bash the USA in the post Bush era is somewhat understandable,

but the misunderstanding of the legal issues is astounding in many quarters.

And much of the damage is not happening in USA, but to the diplomats of other nations.

Focusing on solely Manning and Assange's actions or the US State Department,

is not necessarily where the problems lie. Many governments and security branches of

which are not as bound to ANY code of extra-national conduct, other than embarrassment.

Assange has much to worry about from other than USA interests.

It is still patriotic to question your government, it is not patriotic to do what Manning has done.

Just the inverse.

By Ellen Nakashima Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, August 26, 2010; 12:43 PM

The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism, according to a secret CIA analysis released Wednesday by the Web site WikiLeaks. And if that phenomenon were to become a widely held perception, the analysis said, it could damage relations with foreign allies and dampen their willingness to cooperate in "extrajudicial" activities, such as the rendition and interrogation of terrorism suspects.

That is the conclusion of the three-page classified paper produced in February by the CIA's Red Cell, a think tank set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks by then-CIA Director George J. Tenet to provide "out-of-the-box" analyses on "a full range of analytic issues."

Titled "What If Foreigners See the United States as an 'Exporter of Terrorism'?," the paper cites Pakistani American David Headley, among others, to make its case that the nation is a terrorism exporter. Headley pleaded guilty this year to conducting surveillance in support of the 2008 Lashkar-i-Taiba attacks in Mumbai, which killed more than 160 people. The militant group facilitated his movement between the United States, Pakistan and India, the agency paper said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/25/AR2010082506591.html

[slapout]

Not sure the CIA is required to teach the tactics mentioned to any of the organized bandits though out the Americas or the rest of the world, for that matter. They seem to have the techniques mentioned down pretty pat and if news reports are correct some of the CIA have been on the receiving end of these techniques a time or two.

[Ulysses G.]

The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism,

Why don't you read the article. They are talking about private citizens who have been involved in violence overseas - not US government policy.

CIA spokeswoman Marie Harf played down the significance of the paper: "These sorts of analytic products - clearly identified as coming from the Agency's 'Red Cell' - are designed simply to provoke thought and present different points of view."

[LaoPo]

WikiLeaks cables lay bare US hostility to international criminal court

US embassy dispatches reveal American preoccupation with discerning court's views on Iraq

Afua Hirsch legal affairs correspondent

guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 December 2010 21.30 GMT

The international criminal court has proved one of the most controversial international institutions since its creation in 2002, drawing fire from some for its exclusive focus on Africa, and accused by others of pursuing the policy objectives of America and Europe.

But America has also been hostile to the court, refusing to join it for fear its own citizens could be put on trial for war crimes. The cables reveal American preoccupation with the personalities in the court and an attempt to discern their views on Iraq from the outset.

One cable, sent in July 2003, three months after Luis Moreno-Ocampo was elected as chief prosecutor, offered an "early glimpse" into his stance and reveals American unease about the possibility that he could pursue cases over British actions in Iraq.

"Less clear are [Ocampo's] views on Iraq," the cable states. "Ocampo has said that he was looking at the actions of British forces in Iraq -- which … led a British ICTY prosecutor nearly to fall off his chair."

"Privately, Ocampo has said that he wishes to dispose of Iraq issues (ie. Not to investigate them.)"

The cables also attempt to cast off early remarks about Iraq by Ocampo – who is from Argentina – as a language issue.

"Some Embassy contacts also suggest that Ocampo's mediocre English skills may have given his public remarks a less nuanced … tenor than intended," the cable states.

In another cable, the Americans described Ocampo's estimates of loss of life in Darfur, part of the basis on which he has indicted Sudanese president Omar al-Bashir for war crimes, as "imaginary numbers".

Although America's hostility to the court has weakened considerably under President Obama, with the country now adopting a policy of "principled engagement" and occupying observer status, the cables still show American resistance to any expansion of the court's role.

America was strongly against "crimes of aggression" being added to the list of those within the court's jurisdiction. The crime, defined as one "committed by a political or military leader which, by its character, gravity and scale, constituted a manifest violation of the [uN] Charter", was adopted by members of the court in June.

http://www.guardian....-criminal-court

LaoPo

[Carib]

The United States has long been an exporter of terrorism,

Why don't you read the article. They are talking about private citizens who have been involved in violence overseas - not US government policy.

CIA spokeswoman Marie Harf played down the significance of the paper: "These sorts of analytic products - clearly identified as coming from the Agency's 'Red Cell' - are designed simply to provoke thought and present different points of view."

I am willing to bet that these " private citizens " are on the payroll of some "agency".

[LaoPo]

The US Embassy Cables:

The Documents:

From The Guardian:

MOST RECENT:

http://www.guardian....s-the-documents

LaoPo

[Ulysses G.]

I am willing to bet that these " private citizens " are on the payroll of some "agency".

You think that the CIA got someone to shoot a bunch of Palestinians at the Tomb of the Patriarchs? That is some conspiracy theory.

Edited December 18, 2010 by Ulysses G.

[Carib]

I am willing to bet that these " private citizens " are on the payroll of some "agency".

You think that the CIA got someone to shoot a bunch of Palestinians at the Tomb of the Patriarchs? That is some conspiracy theory.

UG, follow the link and apply for a job, http://www.state.gov/careers/ I am sure you will qualify, you have" the avoidance factor", rated 10, on a scale of 10.

Have a goodnight.

[LaoPo]

How Arab governments tried to silence WikiLeaks

An appetite for state secrets led to bans on western newspapers and hacked news websites across the Middle East

Ian Black

guardian.co.uk, Friday 17 December 2010 15.27 GMT

WikiLeaks may be breaking new ground to promote freedom of information by releasing leaked US diplomatic cables, but Arab governments have been resorting to old tricks to ensure that nothing too damaging reaches their subjects.

Tunisia, Saudi Arabia and Morocco have all tried to stem the flow of Wiki-revelations, whether the subject is corruption, authoritarianism or simply the embarrassment of having private exchanges with American interlocutors enter the public domain.

There is certainly an appetite for reading state secrets.

Stories about the business interests of the king of Morocco and the nepotism of the unpopular president of Tunisia – both countries normally attract little interest in Britain - generated heavy traffic on the Guardian website.

But Le Monde, whose Francophone audience cares far more about the Maghreb, found its print edition banned from Morocco.

Spain's El Pais, another of the five media partners in the WikiLeaks enterprise, was banned too. So was Al-Quds Al-Arabi, the independent London-based pan-Arab daily which has been following up on the stories from the start.

Elaph, a Saudi-run website, was mysteriously hacked when it ran a piece about King Abdullah's sensational calls on the US to attack Iran to destroy its nuclear programme.

Lebanon's Al-Akhbar , a leftist and pro-Hizbullah paper, pulled off quite a trick: it somehow obtained unauthorised leaks from the WikiLeaks cache, posting 250 US cables from eight Arab countries on its website – only to find that it was cyber-attacked (and replaced by a shimmering pink Saudi girl chat room) when it published one of two devastatingly frank documents about President Ben Ali of Tunisia, who reinforced his country's reputation as the most internet-unfriendly in the region. "This is a professional job," said publisher Hassan Khalil, "not the work of some geek sitting in his bedroom."

Continues:

http://www.guardian....enced-wikileaks

LaoPo

[flying]

For the second part, Manning is being processed through the UCMJ system, not through the civilian legal system and there can be major differences. As others have stated, he is under an obligation because of his agreement with the U.S. Military and had further responsibilities because of his security clearance to safeguard that information. So most, if not all your comments do not apply to him in this case.

You make it sound as if the UCMJ also has the no Constitutional rights clause of the Patriot<sic> Act?..You are wrong

http://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/digest/VB3.htm

Think of how terrible it would be to ask our kids to fight to defend the Constitution & yet... not allow them the rights promised by the Constitution.. that is basically what this is.

But in a round about way your right...Because it does not matter if he is a soldier or a civilian worker...Under the Patriot<sic> Act which he is probably being held...there is no longer any Constitutional rights to due process.

You may be held just as he is with no trial...no conviction...just held indefinitely with no rights previously afforded by the Constitution that these soldiers took an oath to uphold.

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic"

The rights our forefathers & the Framers of the Constitution were smart enough to include because they knew from where we came.

Yet today certain folks seem so anxious to give it all away.....

Again I ask...what happened?

What turned so many into anti-Constitution Cheerleaders?

You cannot pick the events to apply the rights to & deny the others. When you sit for this you sit for it all.

It is too late to later ask why it is all gone... you gave it away under the guise of anti-terror

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

Edited December 18, 2010 by flying

[Ulysses G.]

I am willing to bet that these " private citizens " are on the payroll of some "agency".

You think that the CIA got someone to shoot a bunch of Palestinians at the Tomb of the Patriarchs? That is some conspiracy theory.

UG, follow the link...

Pretty obvious way to dodge the question and totally off topic - no surprise

Edited December 18, 2010 by Ulysses G.