What'S With The Age Dynamic Of Dates Here?

[DocHolliday2006]

Hey. So please take no offense at this topic. Just trying to understand.

So I've only been in Thailand a few days, but I love to walk around at night and see the busy streets. Peerling into bars and restaurants, one of the obvious oddities was all the really drop-dead gorgeous Thai women in their 20s in fancy dresses eating dinner and drinking with fat, graying western men who were two to four decades older.

Putting aside the small number who are incongruous true love stories, my overriding question is: what exactly do the women get out of this? I have trouble believing this to be pure prostitution. They seem to be acting as "companions," escorting the guys to movies, shopping, dinner, massages, etc. So can it simply be that they're looking for rich sugar daddies to spend their money on them while they're in Thailand? The economic disparity makes every western 9-5er rich by Thai standards, so they can really wine and dine their Thai companions In first class accommodations.Whatever the arrangement is, there appears to be no shortage of Thai women who want it. You can see them dressed to the hilt at bars, eying western men and calling out to passer byes to come and talk to them.

What exactly is going on here? Are they just prostitutes? Looking to marry rich western men?

[92302]

It is purely a business arrangement on the ladies mind and deluded love on the mans.

[Caliguy]

They are whatever you want to believe. Just don't forget your brain.

[ballbreaker]

They are whatever you want to believe. Just don't forget your brain.

He's hit the nail right on the head.

[samran]

Drop dead gorgeous? My impression is that many of these 'stunners' look like they've had an accident with a 2x4. No offence to those who find this attractive, and I'm sure they have phenomenal personalities, it just isn't my definition of beauty.

Anyway, what is more interesting is the 'conversation' that is being had over dinner. The foreigner dumbing down everything into three word sentences, each word containing no more than one syllable. Thai lady nodding furiously, not understanding a word that is being said.

What is going on then? Nothing more than a transaction.

A farang bloke deluding himself he is getting a genuine human interaction.

A Thai lass counting the seconds till she can get away from him.

[Beetlejuice]

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[PattayaParent]

What makes you think it's the guys paying the girls?

It could be the other way round!

[bobbin]

Drop dead gorgeous? My impression is that many of these 'stunners' look like they've had an accident with a 2x4. No offence to those who find this attractive, and I'm sure they have phenomenal personalities, it just isn't my definition of beauty.

Anyway, what is more interesting is the 'conversation' that is being had over dinner. The foreigner dumbing down everything into three word sentences, each word containing no more than one syllable. Thai lady nodding furiously, not understanding a word that is being said.

What is going on then? Nothing more than a transaction.

A farang bloke deluding himself he is getting a genuine human interaction.

A Thai lass counting the seconds till she can get away from him.

The OP is light in the deductive reasoning department if he has to come on TV to ask these questions.

And Samran, you need to get out more. There truly are many attractive ladies in the Guest Relation industry. Not all, mind you, not even most, but many.

Edited January 19, 2011 by bobbin

[happyrobert]

Only a few days and already found TV?

[wolf5370]

A lesson I learned: A fair while ago I was talking with a friend. This rather large, 50 something, German guy came in, said "Hi" tio the owner and picked up some take away. On his Honda Dream sat a young Thai girl. I thought she looked really young and mentioned it to the guy I was talking to. He laughed. He told me he takes her everywhere with him. He also told me she was his daughter. Made me feel like an idiot really, I just assumed it was his "lady". She was only 15 or so. His wife had run off and left them and he brought up the girl alone and doted on her in a purely godd-fathered way.

Any way - I guess mostly it IS what it looks like.

An older guy with a younger woman. I don';t know the Ops expewrience with Thai women, he admits to only being here a few days, Thai women often look much younger to westerners than they are. Age gaps may not be as wide as you think. Also, as Samram alludes to, not everyone sees beauty in the same way. Thais, like many Asians, tend to see light skin as a sign of beauty - I have seen Thai men drooling over girls I think rtan into the ugly pole, but theyt had light coloured (or white) skin. I have also had Thai men tell me someone is ugly when to me they look fine! simply because they were dark. To each their own. In a country where the local populous has you marked as ugly, a group of people that honestly see you as beautiful has got to be an attraction. Women in the thrities and up here - especially divorcees/widows with kids - find it hard to find someone to be with long term (especially when they have no assets!) so an interested male with resources and the will to care, look after and even love them and their kids, is a major attraction in itself - who wants to be alone for ever? Not everything is as black and white as some like to preach.

When it is just an old guy wanting to get his leg over a just-out-of-her-teens young lady, then one wonders what they could honestly think that the young lady has in her minnd other than the profit of a hard night's work. The point of prostitution is sex without the ties - adding in ties (even mentally) kind of defeats the object I think.

The less they have in common, the less interest they surely have. It may be true that opposites attract, but do they stay attracted for long? If he wants love and she wants money, at some point she will either think its not enough money, he will run out of money, she will have enough to jump ship, or she will find a better source of money - whichever it is, his investment is much harder to relocate than hers is.

[DP25]

Drop dead gorgeous? My impression is that many of these 'stunners' look like they've had an accident with a 2x4.

So true.

[DP25]

Thai women often look much younger to westerners than they are. Age gaps may not be as wide as you think.

Always amazes me how a 35 year old single mother can pass herself off as a 22 year old uni student to drunk foreigners in beer bars. Western guys that aren't from places with lots of Asians usually greatly misestimate age. Works the other way too, they usually think white people look ever older than we really are.

[Loz]

Its "Thai Style"

Enjoy the view! :jap:

[92302]

What makes you think it's the guys paying the girls?

It could be the other way round!

One will find that the middle aged, deluded, toothless, overweight, balding, half witted drunk that staggers around the likes of Pattaya at night with a girl in her 20's will always have one liners like this to hand...

"she pays me"

[Travel2003]

I have a feeling there must be quite a few "handsome hunks" among the members here.

[JurgenG]

I can understand that the subject of dating bar girls comes over and over in this forum, new people visit Thailand and join this forum everyday, but that older posters still arguing that it is completely accepted in Thailand is beyond my comprehension.

In your home country, will you pick up a girl by the side of the road and take her to a party with friends ? In your home country, would you believe that nobody can makes the difference between a east-European hooker and a "au pair" student ?

Love is blind but naivety has its limits ....

Edited January 19, 2011 by JurgenG

[Travel2003]

I can understand that the subject of dating bar girls comes over and over in this forum, new people visit Thailand and join this forum everyday, but that older posters still arguing that it is completely accepted in Thailand is beyond my comprehension.

In your home country, will you pick up a girl by the side of the road and take her to a party with friends ? In your home country, would you believe that nobody can makes the difference between a east-European hooker and a "au pair" student ?

Love is blind but naivety has its limits ....

Christiano Ronaldo did it.

Or sort of did it.

He even popped up to (the football) Club events with 2-3 call girls sometimes.

I have a feeling the wifes and gf's of his colleagues did not approve.

[pjclark1]

Christiano Ronaldo did it.

Or sort of did it.

He even popped up to (the football) Club events with 2-3 call girls sometimes.

I have a feeling the wifes and gf's of his colleagues did not approve.

Footballers and pop stars always marry and date girls that really love them, they are never in it for the fame, money and lifestyle.

In Thailand we are all football and pop stars, you just need less money.

Relationships for men is (nearly) always about sex, all we really want is a regular shag, most of us don't care how we get it or who we get it from, some lie that they do care. Some lie that they love her to try and get a shag.

Relationships for women is (nearly) always about lifestyle, they have as little sex with you as they can, while getting the best lifestyle they can out of you. Some lie that they love you, but they still don't want to shag you.

Asia and the western world are exactly the same, in Asia it's just a lot cheaper.

Of course there are some exceptions.

Edited January 19, 2011 by pjclark1

[Travel2003]

Christiano Ronaldo did it.

Or sort of did it.

He even popped up to (the football) Club events with 2-3 call girls sometimes.

I have a feeling the wifes and gf's of his colleagues did not approve.

Footballers and pop stars always marry and date girls that really love them, they are never in it for the fame, money and lifestyle.

In Thailand we are all football and pop stars, you just need less money.

Relationships for men is (nearly) always about sex, all we really want is a regular shag, most of us don't care how we get it or who we get it from, some lie that they do care. Some lie that they love her to try and get a shag.

Relationships for women is (nearly) always about lifestyle, they have as little sex with you as they can, while getting the best lifestyle they can out of you. Some lie that they love you, but they still don't want to shag you.

Asia and the western world are exactly the same, in Asia it's just a lot cheaper.

Of course there are some exceptions.

Good point.

[wolf5370]

Christiano Ronaldo did it.

Or sort of did it.

He even popped up to (the football) Club events with 2-3 call girls sometimes.

I have a feeling the wifes and gf's of his colleagues did not approve.

Footballers and pop stars always marry and date girls that really love them, they are never in it for the fame, money and lifestyle.

In Thailand we are all football and pop stars, you just need less money.

Relationships for men is (nearly) always about sex, all we really want is a regular shag, most of us don't care how we get it or who we get it from, some lie that they do care. Some lie that they love her to try and get a shag.

Relationships for women is (nearly) always about lifestyle, they have as little sex with you as they can, while getting the best lifestyle they can out of you. Some lie that they love you, but they still don't want to shag you.

Asia and the western world are exactly the same, in Asia it's just a lot cheaper.

Of course there are some exceptions.

I always find it interesting that some people believe they know what other people think about and/or make decision based on. Do these people use themselves as a basis and just decided that everyone else must choose in the same way and for the same reasons? Of course when someone offers up an alternative, they are either "a rare exception" or "a liar". Hard to prove otherwise.

Of course Freud would suggest we are all trying to replace our mothers, rather than looking for a shag. I would postulate that men do care who/what they shag (ignoring sheep farmers here) and would actually prefer, given the chance and release from moral and socialogical pressures or modern society, to shag someone different each time.

[clausewitz]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

[wolf5370]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

Or maybe he was not as shallow as you and fell in love with the whole person - maybe his idea of beauty is different from yours - maybe looks were less important to him - maybe she can suck a melon through a straw - maybe its his mother-in-law!

Edited January 19, 2011 by wolf5370

[DP25]

Relationships for women is (nearly) always about lifestyle, they have as little sex with you as they can, while getting the best lifestyle they can out of you. Some lie that they love you, but they still don't want to shag you.

It must be horrible in your world

[pjclark1]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

Or maybe he was not as shallow as you and fell in love with the whole person - maybe his idea of beauty is different from yours - maybe looks were less important to him - maybe she can suck a melon through a straw - maybe its his mother-in-law!

Or maybe, as I previously stated, men (mostly) just want a shag, and don't really care who they get it from or how good it is.

@wolf

Would you agree to marry a woman who wouldn't shag you, ever, under any circumstances?

Would any other refusal to do 1 particular activity with you, have the same result?

I rest my case.

Edited January 19, 2011 by pjclark1

[mca]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

The 3 most cracking looking Thai women I've ever known have unfortunately been as thick as shit with the personalities of the average kitchen sink. Give me a plain Jane Thai who can make me laugh, when you mention Bill Gates doesn't say " Who?" and doesn't need 5 minutes to find Thailand on a map of the world any day of the week.

[NanLaew]

The 3 most cracking looking Thai women I've ever known have unfortunately been as thick as shit with the personalities of the average kitchen sink. Give me a plain Jane Thai who can make me laugh, when you mention Bill Gates doesn't say " Who?" and doesn't need 5 minutes to find Thailand on a map of the world any day of the week.

Pay attention girls! mca is into comedy clubs, computers and geography.

[DP25]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

A lot of good looking farang guys end up with really bad looking chicks. Think some guys just go with whoever latches on to them first, regardless of looks, employment, or anything else. It's very odd and I know a few chicks that are quite annoyed with this phenomena.

[mca]

^^ If a girl's introductory sentence is " I was taking my pc into the repair shop because the file I'd downloaded on Oxbow lakes and glaciation wouldn't open when this Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman walked in..." then it must be true love.

Edited January 19, 2011 by mca

[wolf5370]

what makes me wonder in Thailand is when I see reasonably presentable farang with rather plain Thai women about their own age.

Is it that the the woman have a fantastic personality ? Or are they so insecure that they have to chose someone that one one else could desire?

Or, they find sex uninteresting and just want a companion?

Or maybe he was not as shallow as you and fell in love with the whole person - maybe his idea of beauty is different from yours - maybe looks were less important to him - maybe she can suck a melon through a straw - maybe its his mother-in-law!

Or maybe, as I previously stated, men (mostly) just want a shag, and don't really care who they get it from or how good it is.

@wolf

Would you agree to marry a woman who wouldn't shag you, ever, under any circumstances?

Would any other refusal to do 1 particular activity with you, have the same result?

I rest my case.

I don't think the question would arise before others that would become show stoppers. If she would not sleep with me, then there must be a reason - and it would be for that reason that we would not become man and wife. If the reason was she found me disgusting and did not want to bed me, then we would go separate ways - if she thought I was disgusting but would still bed me, I would still leave the relationship. There are many other things that if she would not do for me that would make me think she was no the one for me. Of course sex is one of them - so would be: talking, cuddling, kissing, wanting me to be part of her life outside of the bedroom (meeting family/friends/etc), being clean (i.e. brushing her teeth/washing etc), being nice to my family and so on.

Sorry I think your case has further to go to be convincing. I would not want to marry a women that would not wash under any circumstance, but that doesn't mean I will marry any women that does. One does not prove the other.

[IanForbes]

To the OP it is called ..rent-a-wife. It's a business arrangement between two people who know the score. Or, should know the score. It's got nothing to do about love or commitment. It's got everything to do about money. No different than picking out an expensive watch or a cheap immitation. The gal gets a nice place to sleep and doesn't have to share with 3 other women. She gets all her meals and drinks paid for and a monthly allowance that usually averages more than she could make working at the 7-11 or other menial job that she's only qualified for. The guy gets someone reasonably attractive for company and sex. No harm, no foul. I won't go into other discussions about prostitution because it's frowned on by thaivisa, and actually illegal in Thailand.

Most elderly men who come to Thailand to find love would never have a chance at any young woman in his home country. Like it or not, the fact remains that most men like young attractive women. They can't fnd that elsewhere, unless they are also young and attractive themselves. It's really quite simple and nobody's business but the couple in question.

Why did the widowed Jackie Kennedy marry Aristotle Onassis? He was 62 at the time and she was about 23 years his junior. The only answer is money or power... which she was used to having.