Thai Army Will Retaliate And No Longer Talk With Cambodia: Sansern

[webfact]

No more talk: Sansern

Thai Army spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd vowed early Monday to carry out tit-for-tat attacks against Cambodia and troops of two countries exchanged artillery shelling until 2 am Monday.

Sansern said the Thai Army would carry out no more talk with its Cambodian counterpart as Cambodian troops always started firing first.

Shortly after 8 am, more gunfire was heard at Phu Makhua at the Thai-Cambodia border.

-- The Nation 2011-02-07

[Loaded]

The BBC is reporting that Thai artillery has accidentally destroyed part of the Preah Vihear temple. If true, how typically Thai.

Edited February 7, 2011 by Loaded

[geovalin]

AT this level, UN has to intervene. Any reasonable party will agree with this mediation.

BUT, as mention Bangkok Pundit "Thailand is unlikely to want the Security Council to meet to discuss the border issue – particularly anywhere near Preah Vihear given the ICJ decision of 1962 in Cambodia’s favour and BP views it is more than likely if the ICJ were to consider the 4.6 sq km disputed area that it would be in Cambodia’s favour."

So it means that Thailand will prefer to continue the war...

[webfact]

The BBC is reporting that Thai artillery has accidentally destroyed part of the Preah Vihear temple. If true, how typically Thai.

Related topic:

Thai-Cambodia border fighting 'damages' temple

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[webfact]

More Shots Heard This Morning After Last Night's Clashes Injure 14 Soldiers

It has been confirmed that last night's clashes along the Thai-Cambodian border injured 14 Thai soldiers. Two villagers sustained minor injuries as they were being evacuated. Just around 8 A.M. this morning, more shots were reportedly fired. The Thai army insists it is merely retaliating attacks initiated by Cambodia and is not trying to aggravate the situation any further. The army spokesperson said in several interviews that he did not understand by Cambodia broke a cease fire agreement made by the two sides just yesterday.

-- Tan Network 2011-02-07

[beano2274]

Of course Thai TV is reporting that Cambodian Artillery hit the temple. And is also intervewing people who say that Cambodian troops shot at them.

[webfact]

Fresh fighting on border with Thailand: Cambodian PM

PHNOM PENH, February 7, 2011 (AFP) - Thai and Cambodian troops clashed Monday for a fourth straight day, Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen said, as tensions again surged in a border dispute that has left at least five people dead.

"The firing has started for the fourth time," Hun Sen said at a graduation ceremony in the capital.

A Cambodian military commander who did not wish to be named said both sides traded fire just after 8:00 am (0100 GMT). He was unable to say what kind of weapons were involved.

A Thai military source near the border said that about two minutes of small arms fire had been heard on Monday morning, describing it as a "misunderstanding."

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2011-02-07

[londonthai]

looks, like the conflict is escalating.

thailand should agree to the mediation from the un security council or asean.

both sites should withdraw all military from the border area, as it was proposed already a long time ago by cambodia.

[geovalin]

both sites should withdraw all military from the border area, as it was proposed already a long time ago by cambodia.

Right but Abisith has no choice, he needs to make the war to please the Yellow and their support. By the way, please remember what Abisith said in 1997 and later about Cambodia... it was kind of scornful and maybe Abisith is one of these Thais who regrets the 1962 decision, even if he was not born.

[kropotkin]

So now we know what the army thinks.

What does the government think?

What do the thai people think?

[geovalin]

Of course Thai TV is reporting that Cambodian Artillery hit the temple. And is also intervewing people who say that Cambodian troops shot at them.

If you understand Khmer, you can watch the Cambodian TV channels. They have also plenty of websites but not in English.

In English, there are some independent comments like this:

Ros Chantraboth, a Cambodian historian, said that Thai politicians are gaining power and popularity by generating more opposition groups—with each side hedging by having groups that both support and protest border resolutions and other matters.

That creates an atmosphere of delays, he said, in political debate and problem solving, until a general election is organized. That in turn has made Cambodia a “hostage of internal Thai politics,” he said.

The current atmosphere means there is no chance to resolve the ongoing border issues, Chheang Vannarith said. “Cambodia has to wait for a new Thai leader who is willing to solve the border issue.”

[Thaddeus]

The Thai army insists it is merely retaliating attacks initiated by Cambodia and is not trying to aggravate the situation any further.

-- Tan Network 2011-02-07

Anyone spot the logic flaw in this statement.

[kuffki]

Same army spokesman made a statement that Cambodian fired fireworks , he then made a statement they fired fireworks and heavy artillery into Thai army and now he is making a statement of no more talks.

It is either that he is badly misinformed or Thai army wants nothing but war.

And before anyone jumps in to Thai defense, please read his statement again, its written pretty clear "no more talk with its Cambodian counterpart"

[stickyrice2000]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

[kuffki]

The Thai army insists it is merely retaliating attacks initiated by Cambodia and is not trying to aggravate the situation any further.

-- Tan Network 2011-02-07

Anyone spot the logic flaw in this statement.

And then adds "no more talk with its Cambodian counterpart"

No aggravation there at all

[kuffki]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

Do you not follow news? its all Cambodian fault. Thai military is a bunch of angels with wings who would never do anything of a kind. They had never and never would shoot at their own people, nor would they harm innocent civilians, nor would they ever miss a target, nor would they ever even consider aiming at the Temple (sarcasm )

[Thai at Heart]

I guess we will have to wait for Wikileaks to work out who fired first. Amazing. No way to get unequivocal, unbiased opinion about who is casting the first stone. If you want to win the political war, you better control the story.

And what none of the numbskulls realises, is that the country is still not one inch closer to reaching any type of agreement over the land. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[jackdawson]

obviously time for neo con intervention ; bring on "operation temple typhoon"

turn the USS g. washington around

we'll teach them about democracy in sisaket

[DP25]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

Thais damaged an uninhabited temple, Cambodians shelled towns and schools with heavy artillery

[kuffki]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

Thais damaged an uninhabited temple, Cambodians shelled towns and schools with heavy artillery

You got proof?

Cambodia is asking for UN to intervene and for ASEAN, while Thailand has rejected any help from ASEAN to even mediate. So who is hiding what from coming out?

[DP25]

You got proof?

I know, those buildings were probably blown up by fake Cambodians.

[xtr3mx7]

What some Thais are thinking and none is of my opinion:

Most of my neighbors think that giving the Temple back to Cambodia in first hand, was a form of cowardliness and don't have courage to fight. Reason why Cambodian is now taking advantage of the situation, leading to a war. They want the Thai Army to fight back and they are backing the Army. And some of them are talking about "someone" living abroad causing these tensions to destroy Thailand. They said if the "someone" really does have Thai blood, he should stop all these manipulations since it is only causing harm to Thai people.

[gdk]

the Thai,s are hard headed I am suprised that the not claim Angkor wat as Thai terotery

[kuffki]

Who is damaging the temple? Uhmmm... The Thais are aiming at which direction and the Cambodians are aiming at which direction? The case is closed.

Thais damaged an uninhabited temple, Cambodians shelled towns and schools with heavy artillery

You got proof?

Cambodia is asking for UN to intervene and for ASEAN, while Thailand has rejected any help from ASEAN to even mediate. So who is hiding what from coming out?

You are quite belligerent for a man who doesn't know for certain what happened.

How is my post belligerent in anyway what so ever?

Fact 1. Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

Facts 2. ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians left, right and center and Thailand claims, why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

[SomTumTiger]

I have no doubt Thaksin is playing a part in this - he has no conscious.

[whybother]

Of course Thai TV is reporting that Cambodian Artillery hit the temple. And is also intervewing people who say that Cambodian troops shot at them.

If you understand Khmer, you can watch the Cambodian TV channels. They have also plenty of websites but not in English.

In English, there are some independent comments like this:

Ros Chantraboth, a Cambodian historian, said that Thai politicians are gaining power and popularity by generating more opposition groups—with each side hedging by having groups that both support and protest border resolutions and other matters.

That creates an atmosphere of delays, he said, in political debate and problem solving, until a general election is organized. That in turn has made Cambodia a "hostage of internal Thai politics," he said.

The current atmosphere means there is no chance to resolve the ongoing border issues, Chheang Vannarith said. "Cambodia has to wait for a new Thai leader who is willing to solve the border issue."

An "independent" Cambodian historian talking about current Thai politics?

[whybother]

How is my post belligerent in anyway what so ever?

Fact 1. Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

Facts 2. ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians left, right and center and Thailand claims, why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

Where did Thailand claim that Cambodia are "killing Thai civilians left, right and center"?

[webfact]

14 Thai soldiers wounded in latest Thai-Cambodian border clashes

SI SA KET, Feb 7 -- Fourteen Thai soldiers wounded in the latest Thai-Cambodian border clashes which flared Sunday evening, one seriously--transferred to Ubon Ratchathani Hospital, according to the director of Kantharalak hospital, as residents at five Kantharalak district villages were evacuated to less risky areas.

The latest cross border clashes between Thai and Cambodian troops at Kantharalak district near Preah Vihear Temple began Sunday afternoon and stopped at about 2am Monday even though both sides had agreed to a cease fire on Saturday.

Thai army spokesman Col Sansern Kaewkamnerd said Sunday's skirmish was "more serious" than the previous two days of violence. He said about ten soldiers were injured, but that there were no reports of new deaths.

Villagers in Lalai, Bueng Malu, Rung, Phu Pha Mok and Sao Thong Chai districts were removed from at risk areas while district officials had prepared additional 60 makeshift tents to facilitate their temporary housing.

Meanwhile, international news agencies reported that Cambodia accused Thailand of damaging the 11th century Preah Vihear temple in fresh clashes on Sunday and appealed to the United Nations to halt Thailand's 'aggression' on the third day of cross-border fighting.

Cambodian Prime Minister Hun Sen reportedly sent a letter to the UN Security Council calling for an emergency meeting to help end the fighting.

French news agency Agence France-Presse (AFP) quoted Mr Hun Sen's letter as saying that he urged the United Nations Security Council to hold an urgent meeting "so as to stop Thailand's aggression", which the Khmer leader said has "gravely threatened peace and stability in the region."

But Thai government spokesman Panitan Wattanayagorn rejected the accusation that Thailand was the aggressor. He said Thailand has a clear policy that it will not invade any country.

Clashes erupted on the border at Phu Ma Khua at Kantharalak for the third day in a row on Sunday evening, ending a ceasefire agreed after earlier fighting left at least five people dead. (MCOT online news)

-- TNA 2011-02-07

[kuffki]

How is my post belligerent in anyway what so ever?

Fact 1. Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

Facts 2. ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians left, right and center and Thailand claims, why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

Where did Thailand claim that Cambodia are "killing Thai civilians left, right and center"?

figure of speech. Thailand and some posters are claiming that Cambodia is aiming at schools and hospitals and just villages

[whybother]

How is my post belligerent in anyway what so ever?

Fact 1. Cambodia asked for help from UN and from ASEAN

Facts 2. ASEAN offered to mediate and intervene, Thailand declined

If Thailand was even interested in peace, why would they decline? Why Thailand has not contacted UN asking to stop Cambodia from attacking?

Why Thailand has not written to UN complaining about Cambodia killing and aiming at schools?

If Cambodia indeed did aim at schools and villages and is killing Thai civilians left, right and center and Thailand claims, why would Cambodia seek help from UN and ASEAN, would not those crimes be uncovered and Cambodia would face serious consequences?

Where did Thailand claim that Cambodia are "killing Thai civilians left, right and center"?

figure of speech. Thailand and some posters are claiming that Cambodia is aiming at schools and hospitals and just villages

OK. So you're claiming that Thailand blew up their own schools and villages?

edit: or maybe you're claiming that the Cambodians are just bad aims and that they were actually aiming somewhere else, but hit the schools and villages accidentally.

Edited February 7, 2011 by whybother