THAI Crew Fight Waistline Guide

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THAI crew fight waistline guide

By The Nation

A group of Thai Airways cabin crew members yesterday lodged a complaint with the Labour Court against a directive requiring all flight attendants to bring their weight down within an upcoming deadline, saying that such body-weight control was a threat to their health and violation of their rights.

Citing the guidelines set by a weight-loss centre, the group of 22 crew members said these measures did not guarantee safe weight loss. According to the directive, female crew members will have to their waistline within 25 to 32 inches and males between 24.5 to 35 inches. The complaint said this directive violated the original employment contracts and basic human rights.

The court accepted the complaint against the national flag carrier, THAI president Piyawasas Ammaranand and the cabin crew chief Chatchawal Senawong, and will decide on April 4 as to whether it will rule on it.

According to the directive, cabin crew will have to meet the physical measurements with six months starting from June 1 last year. Those who fail to comply will be transferred to domestic routes and then to ground staff.

-- The Nation 2011-03-08

[kiwiphil]

As the Employer, Thai A.L. has the Right to Enforce the Termes

of the Original Contract of EMPLOYMENT apon Employees. E.O.S..

There are many reasons for enforcing the weight/size reg's, Health & Fuel costs are only 2 of them.

Also, Image is another reason, followed by the C.C.members ability to move fast in an Emergency.

Forget all of the " it imposes on our Rights etc." B/S.

[ginjag]

As the Employer, Thai A.L. has the Right to Enforce the Termes

of the Original Contract of EMPLOYMENT apon Employees. E.O.S..

There are many reasons for enforcing the weight/size reg's, Health & Fuel costs are only 2 of them.

Also, Image is another reason, followed by the C.C.members ability to move fast in an Emergency.

Forget all of the " it imposes on our Rights etc." B/S.

Weather the airline has the right to act is up to the court ruling.

1, Health- --only a medic/pract can say if the member is healthy.

2, Fuel costs--say 12 crew at 10 kilo,s over-120 kilos, all you need is a big sized passenger and thats swallowed up.

3, Image ---an unhappy skinny-or a healthy happy member of normal size weight ratio.

4, Move fast----how many skinny ladies win 100 meters/200 meters races--I know thats crazy to compare. but you get the point.

5, To apprehend ----help overpower unruly passengers they need a bit of physical stregnth.

6, They do have some rights, and that is everyone has a right to object to a dictatorial management.

I understand Thai Airways Int, wants to have a better image, but this is one of the last things it wants to get its customers back.

Their late decision to order new aircraft, was the most misguided thing they did for image, together with raising the ticket price in line with operators, who already had purchased their new planes.

[retell]

As the Employer, Thai A.L. has the Right to Enforce the Termes

of the Original Contract of EMPLOYMENT apon Employees. E.O.S..

There are many reasons for enforcing the weight/size reg's, Health & Fuel costs are only 2 of them.

Also, Image is another reason, followed by the C.C.members ability to move fast in an Emergency.

Forget all of the " it imposes on our Rights etc." B/S.

Weather the airline has the right to act is up to the court ruling.

1, Health- --only a medic/pract can say if the member is healthy.

2, Fuel costs--say 12 crew at 10 kilo,s over-120 kilos, all you need is a big sized passenger and thats swallowed up.

3, Image ---an unhappy skinny-or a healthy happy member of normal size weight ratio.

4, Move fast----how many skinny ladies win 100 meters/200 meters races--I know thats crazy to compare. but you get the point.

5, To apprehend ----help overpower unruly passengers they need a bit of physical stregnth.

6, They do have some rights, and that is everyone has a right to object to a dictatorial management.

I understand Thai Airways Int, wants to have a better image, but this is one of the last things it wants to get its customers back.

Their late decision to order new aircraft, was the most misguided thing they did for image, together with raising the ticket price in line with operators, who already had purchased their new planes.

isnt this the airline thats recruting ladyboys now ? wonder what their max. waistline should be

[ginjag]

As the Employer, Thai A.L. has the Right to Enforce the Termes

of the Original Contract of EMPLOYMENT apon Employees. E.O.S..

There are many reasons for enforcing the weight/size reg's, Health & Fuel costs are only 2 of them.

Also, Image is another reason, followed by the C.C.members ability to move fast in an Emergency.

Forget all of the " it imposes on our Rights etc." B/S.

Weather the airline has the right to act is up to the court ruling.

1, Health- --only a medic/pract can say if the member is healthy.

2, Fuel costs--say 12 crew at 10 kilo,s over-120 kilos, all you need is a big sized passenger and thats swallowed up.

3, Image ---an unhappy skinny-or a healthy happy member of normal size weight ratio.

4, Move fast----how many skinny ladies win 100 meters/200 meters races--I know thats crazy to compare. but you get the point.

5, To apprehend ----help overpower unruly passengers they need a bit of physical stregnth.

6, They do have some rights, and that is everyone has a right to object to a dictatorial management.

I understand Thai Airways Int, wants to have a better image, but this is one of the last things it wants to get its customers back.

Their late decision to order new aircraft, was the most misguided thing they did for image, together with raising the ticket price in line with operators, who already had purchased their new planes.

isnt this the airline thats recruting ladyboys now ? wonder what their max. waistline should be

Retel, Think this topic was a while ao and for a budget airline--gimmicky thing--(miss--guided) way to make them look like they didn't discriminate, most ladyboys keep their waistlines trim--they have to to attract customers. But of course you do get the others who look so bad.

[barney42bb]

Seems like another Panic move by the Big Wigs at Thai Airways to improve there sliding reputation....Now around 26 most favoured Airline,rather than a consistant Top 10 position.

They are paying dear for not investing in better planes like the Arab and Indian Airlines.

Rediculous prices

Poor in flight service by rude staff....many of whom are overweight and frumpy.

Perhaps they need to look how Air Asia do it!

[canuckamuck]

Weather the airline has the right to act is up to the court ruling.

1, Health- --only a medic/pract can say if the member is healthy.

2, Fuel costs--say 12 crew at 10 kilo,s over-120 kilos, all you need is a big sized passenger and thats swallowed up.

3, Image ---an unhappy skinny-or a healthy happy member of normal size weight ratio.

4, Move fast----how many skinny ladies win 100 meters/200 meters races--I know thats crazy to compare. but you get the point.

5, To apprehend ----help overpower unruly passengers they need a bit of physical stregnth.

6, They do have some rights, and that is everyone has a right to object to a dictatorial management.

I understand Thai Airways Int, wants to have a better image, but this is one of the last things it wants to get its customers back.

Their late decision to order new aircraft, was the most misguided thing they did for image, together with raising the ticket price in line with operators, who already had purchased their new planes.

1. fat is not fit. fit is healthier than fat

2. multiply your 120 kilos by 50 planes and then by 1000 flights. Now you have 6 million kilos. That is a lot of fuel.

3. fat is unattractive and fat does not correspond to good personality either. Fit people are more confident.

4. How many fat people win any races at all?

5. Fat is not muscle. strength training reduces fat and keeps the waistline down. You don't get stronger just because your fat.

6. And of course the business owners have no right to make decisions to benefit their company

[barryFunk]

If Thai's goal is to improve their image through this directive, then generating negative publicity through a mandatory weight loss programme is probably not the best way to do it!

[asiawatcher]

It's all been said - I reckon a compromise - let the staff toe the line and let the airline revise pricing, policies and training as Thai is very second rate airline now no matter what the plane - gone are the heady days of No1. That was last century (literally!).

[chainarong]

Lean and mean , that's the Thai machine. Some other countries would call this victimisation.

[tonititan]

fat is unattractive and fat does not correspond to good personality either.

Wow, really? Fat people now have bad personalities too? I'm guessing you must be really fat then, huh?

[ETatBKK]

If Thai's goal is to improve their image through this directive, then generating negative publicity through a mandatory weight loss programme is probably not the best way to do it!

how this could happen IF it is Northwest, KLM, or Air France ? a court case of discrimination ? Thaiairways, open your eyes !

[thailandadam]

And, where are the photos of the Thai flight crew so we can really see this serious issue? :-)

[thailandadam]

And, where are the photos of the Thai flight crew so we can really see this serious issue? :-)

Here's a related story:

Lose weight or don't fly - Thai Airways tells crew

http://www.news.com....0-1226014613664

"...So far 41 flight attendants have failed to satisfy the requirements..." Hmmm.

Edited March 8, 2011 by thailandadam

[Tywais]

And, where are the photos of the Thai flight crew so we can really see this serious issue? :-)

Some comparisons. Take note of the Thai stewardesses on the private jet (1:37).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFg3j-U0zdg

[tonititan]

"...So far 41 flight attendants have failed to satisfy the requirements..." Hmmm.

Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it? It's also interesting that despite this fact being pointed out repeatedly, most posters have continued to comment on and criticize larger female flight attendants, when it's the men that seem to be having the most issues.

[david_dyer]

I am all for the traditional slim (not skinny) thai stewardess, the boys should also meet the requirements as it is the crew that are responsible for the safety of the passengers and also the first point of contact many paople have with Thai people. Fat is a european problem that is infecting the world.

I have made written input to thai airways with this issue as it is the reputation of the airline and the country that is being brought down (already enough reasons not to use thai air, why have more)

My primary issue to the airline was the staff at the sydney checkin, they used to be beautifull ladies and handsome men, the last time I flew there was a frumpy aussie, a winging pom that could not understand the thai passengers and 3 thai girls that really stress tested their uniforms. This is not the face of thailand. Thai airways have the same right to enforce body size and physical expectations as any other employer with people in the public eye, representing their country as the national carrier.

[canuckamuck]

fat is unattractive and fat does not correspond to good personality either.

Wow, really? Fat people now have bad personalities too? I'm guessing you must be really fat then, huh?

What i was saying was there is no correlation between fatness and having a good personality.

Jerks come in all sizes, don't they?

[david_dyer]

Fat personality is probable the best, many fat people I know have a very good and happy nature.

but

Fat people should not represent a national airline where image and safety is important and not all but some of my friends that are large, know this and it does not bother them.

The airling did give them plenty of time to meet the size and image restrictions and also placed them into the domestic airlines until they achieve the quota.

fat is unattractive and fat does not correspond to good personality either.

Wow, really? Fat people now have bad personalities too? I'm guessing you must be really fat then, huh?

What i was saying was there is no correlation between fatness and having a good personality.

Jerks come in all sizes, don't they?

[jimbeam1]

It's all been said - I reckon a compromise - let the staff toe the line and let the airline revise pricing, policies and training as Thai is very second rate airline now no matter what the plane - gone are the heady days of No1. That was last century (literally!).

It is just the Thai way. As you rightly say once a No1 Airline, now very second rate. Low maintenance and no refurbishments.

Exactly the same when they build a new Hotel. It's just their approach to everything. What's the saying. If it aint broke don't fix it?

jb1

[skorchio]

Poor in flight service by rude staff....many of whom are overweight and frumpy.

Personally I rate the service on Thai International to be quite good. The quality of the food is as good as their Middle Eastern counterparts, and I find their service at a personal level to be better actually. Maybe you should try "please" and "thank you" and smile nicely.

[david_dyer]

well said, a smile can open many doors.

I have had no issues with rude staff or poor quality food and rate the comfort and assistance well above Quaintass and their modern death free service. True they are older planes but I fint the service from sydney - BKK - Surat Thani to be of a better standard and with clean aircraft when compared to Qantas as the Australian National Carrier.

My only issue is the check-in staff at sydney and even though they were fat and frumpy and a little unhelpfull, the thai staff (not the temp staff) were friendly and helpfull but not in good image due to their size. I however will continue to use thai air.

Someone mentioned size and strength required to restrain certain passengers.

In January from BKK to sydney I saw (sitting opposite) a small stewardess calm and settle a sweedish passenger at a exit door that wanted to go for a smoke and started accusing her of harassing him. This was getting of concern to nearby passengers as he was at the exit door. She calmed him then a male from the front of the plane escorted him forward where we did not see him for the rest of the flight.

she did very well dispite her size and I assume thai air train their people to deal with passengers of all situations.

what are the routs that others found to be below standard? Sydney - BKK I have never had an issue with service, quality and politeness.

Poor in flight service by rude staff....many of whom are overweight and frumpy.

Personally I rate the service on Thai International to be quite good. The quality of the food is as good as their Middle Eastern counterparts, and I find their service at a personal level to be better actually. Maybe you should try "please" and "thank you" and smile nicely.

[ginjag]

Weather the airline has the right to act is up to the court ruling.

1, Health- --only a medic/pract can say if the member is healthy.

2, Fuel costs--say 12 crew at 10 kilo,s over-120 kilos, all you need is a big sized passenger and thats swallowed up.

3, Image ---an unhappy skinny-or a healthy happy member of normal size weight ratio.

4, Move fast----how many skinny ladies win 100 meters/200 meters races--I know thats crazy to compare. but you get the point.

5, To apprehend ----help overpower unruly passengers they need a bit of physical stregnth.

6, They do have some rights, and that is everyone has a right to object to a dictatorial management.

I understand Thai Airways Int, wants to have a better image, but this is one of the last things it wants to get its customers back.

Their late decision to order new aircraft, was the most misguided thing they did for image, together with raising the ticket price in line with operators, who already had purchased their new planes.

1. fat is not fit. fit is healthier than fat

2. multiply your 120 kilos by 50 planes and then by 1000 flights. Now you have 6 million kilos. That is a lot of fuel.

3. fat is unattractive and fat does not correspond to good personality either. Fit people are more confident.

4. How many fat people win any races at all?

5. Fat is not muscle. strength training reduces fat and keeps the waistline down. You don't get stronger just because your fat.

6. And of course the business owners have no right to make decisions to benefit their company

Hey did I mention FAT---my point was against catwalk figures, 1000 flights dont make one aircraft have a problem. my 120 kilo passenger was mentioned, 1agree--2 not agree-were talking about one flight-- 3 agree --4 my point I made agree. --5 Most people are aware --6 they have a right in a contract but they have to use common sense.============so what I want to know is ---what was your 1-6 for ?????? I never mentioned fat...

[philhal2]

Ok enough !!

Serious incompetence and very poor attitude by flight staff showing a callous and complete disregard for passengers rights .

We have the right to carry the maximum possible baggage and dont want allowances reduced even further by overweight staff .

We have the right to sit peacefully in our seats and just because we are in an aisle seat does not mean we agreed to be asswiped by every fat person on the plane .

AisLes are so narrow , it is difficult to pass FEMALE attendants safely and courteously , fat attendants may place us at risk of false accusations of assault or molestation > obviously there may be incidences worthy of attention with slim and trim Beauties , but worth a little risk .

The meals are to small now and there are rarely seconds . Overweight attendants would possibly lead to food and beverage shortages on long flights .

Flight times will increase due to longer runway requirements and slower take off speeds , but may be offset by faster landings >

Service delays will be inevitable due to the need to backtrack to allow safe passage of 2 portly attendants unable to pass in the narrow confines of normal walkways .

Less seating room for passengers as the need to create more room for attendants will undoubtedly be a major consideration in re-designing Aircraft .

Be thoughtful and considerate and put the needs of passengers as your number 1 priority . Take up no more room in an aircraft or on the planet than nature intended you to .

And remember the carbon tax . all the extra emissions in carrying this additional weight will require a wage reduction to pay the carbon taxes . hehehe

Edited March 8, 2011 by philhal2

[philhal2]

As the Employer, Thai A.L. has the Right to Enforce the Termes

of the Original Contract of EMPLOYMENT apon Employees. E.O.S..

There are many reasons for enforcing the weight/size reg's, Health & Fuel costs are only 2 of them.

Also, Image is another reason, followed by the C.C.members ability to move fast in an Emergency.

Forget all of the " it imposes on our Rights etc." B/S.

Overweight and unfit crews could undoubtedly present a serious safety hazzard and result in detriment to passengers in an emergency situation .

[philhal2]

TRUTH

An employer has the right to set standards and levels of dress , presentation , competence and many other requirements they may feel that are needed to attract customers , and or to make a profit to ensure the ongoing success of their business .

An employee who is unable to meet the required standards would , never get the job , have the right to leave and go elsewhere if they feel hard done by , and should expect to lose their job if they do not maintain the required levels and standards after being granted employment .

Those who dont wish to follow guidelines and requirements should open their own companies and become self employed . They can then bitch all they like , present themselves in any slovenly manner they wish and go BROKE .

Edited March 8, 2011 by philhal2

[ETatBKK]

TRUTH

An employer has the right to set standards and levels of dress , presentation , competence and many other requirements they may feel that are needed to attract customers , and or to make a profit to ensure the ongoing success of their business .

ha ha ha . . . agree there should be standards, BUT BUT BUT should not be included the amount of fat under the skin :-) what does it for - a subjective measure of safety, identity, efficiency ? otherwise, it may be suggested as a discrimination in some way :-)

I am only 60kg, do I have a say :-)

[Bagwan]

Much ado about nothing really. Are you going to complain about a porky bus conductress? Are not the airlines airborne bus companies? Is a jetliner an airborne 5 star hotel? Is part of the service meant to be to provide material for a wild sexual fantasies?

If the service is fast, efficient and courteous should you expect more? Why not fly Playboy Airlines if you want something out of the ordinary?

[ETatBKK]

If the service is fast, efficient and courteous should you expect more? Why not fly Playboy Airlines if you want something out of the ordinary?

GOOD ONE !

when we buy the ticket, does the airline promise the look and the feel and the style ( and now the weight ) of the air crew ? I guess not ?

year ago I flew Northwest the first time and I saw 'uncle and aunt' on board, what's wrong ?

[ginjag]

Ok enough !!

Serious incompetence and very poor attitude by flight staff showing a callous and complete disregard for passengers rights .

We have the right to carry the maximum possible baggage and dont want allowances reduced even further by overweight staff .

We have the right to sit peacefully in our seats and just because we are in an aisle seat does not mean we agreed to be asswiped by every fat person on the plane .

AisLes are so narrow , it is difficult to pass FEMALE attendants safely and courteously , fat attendants may place us at risk of false accusations of assault or molestation > obviously there may be incidences worthy of attention with slim and trim Beauties , but worth a little risk .

The meals are to small now and there are rarely seconds . Overweight attendants would possibly lead to food and beverage shortages on long flights .

Flight times will increase due to longer runway requirements and slower take off speeds , but may be offset by faster landings >

Service delays will be inevitable due to the need to backtrack to allow safe passage of 2 portly attendants unable to pass in the narrow confines of normal walkways .

Less seating room for passengers as the need to create more room for attendants will undoubtedly be a major consideration in re-designing Aircraft .

Be thoughtful and considerate and put the needs of passengers as your number 1 priority . Take up no more room in an aircraft or on the planet than nature intended you to .

And remember the carbon tax . all the extra emissions in carrying this additional weight will require a wage reduction to pay the carbon taxes . hehehe

The airline will suffer again. We are not talking about FAT Thai staff. The airline wants an image, as do fashion makers want to show them their best image. I think the airline has a point BUT is a bit over the top. With Thai's old aircraft, and seating, and very narrow aisles, they have more problem than most up to date aircraft. It's the Bigger passengers that are the problem, taking up more room and adding a problem of safe evacuation. The overweight passenger is the one that airlines ought to be penalising.

Then informing staff to keep in shape, and aim for the trimmer figure for the good of themselves and the airlines image.