Thai Rescue Teams To Japan Have Been Postponed

[anon467848]

The amount set aside by the govt. is insulting given the billions of dollars Japan has lent to Thailand for various construction projects over the years.

It sums up the Hi-So Thais, they love money coming in, but dislike giving it away. I'll wager that you could count the number of philanthropists in Thailand on one hand.

Edited March 13, 2011 by merlin2002

[metisdead]

It is perfectly acceptable to report on events and give opinions, it is not acceptable to post in a manner in which to bash any specific country. Posts have been removed.

[boggle]

I don't understand why there is bashing in this thread since the Thai personal involved here is not normal Somchai, these are professionals.

I would assume that are up to the same professional standards as other professionals here in Thailand.

Edited March 13, 2011 by boggle

[softgeorge]

Strange how the Japs have ASKED the UK to get to Japan soon as.

Australians and Americans are already on the ground there.

[ginjag]

Strange how the Japs have ASKED the UK to get to Japan soon as.

Australians and Americans are already on the ground there.

George, I think maybe they want specialist units together with theirs, The Thai offer was there but Japan has enough populous to deal with the clearing and disposal//rebuild. Japan was being diplomatic to say thankyou. If Thailand had vast experience in specialised fields Japan would have welcomed it with open arms. but if Burma/cambodia/Laos had offered it would have been politely refused for now.

[WarpSpeed]

What an amazing run of ignorant posts......clearly the areas of greatest devastation are in the vicinity of the nuclear emergency.........

Japan not wishing to put overseas volunteers at risk is easy to understand.......except to those who appear to wish to rubbish the brave Thai volunteers..........

You should be ashamed of your comments...........

Except that now there are numbers of navy ships off the coast including the U.S.S Ronald Reagan all within range of any offshore winds blowing their direction...

[Flatouthruthefog]

<br />Postpone the rescue teams to Japan. Since Japananese authotities,  want to sort out problems in their own country first.<br />Sorry I don't understand.<br />jb1<br />

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Hi and don't worry.

The only thing you don't understand is the totally, utterly disgusting state of the 'alleged English' in the 'report' of the so-called 'national' newspaper.

I've sent THE warm blanket they need, so we can all relax.

Really! 'Comic Cuts' and 'The Beano' did 100% better than this in the 50's........

[WarpSpeed]

I don't understand why there is bashing in this thread since the Thai personal involved here is not normal Somchai, these are professionals.

I would assume that are up to the same professional standards as other professionals here in Thailand.

Are you being facetious? Your second sentence makes it sound like it..

[silverhawk_usa]

I will go all the way back to my post on page 1. There are worldwide "integrated" emergency efforts underway. Don't you think they actually do plan for these things? Yes, there are American teams on the ground, as well as from other countries. There are ALSO American teams on standby. My information, in fact, came from an American team, on standby, explaining the situation.

I have some experience in emergency management, which doesn't need to be explained, but the first thing we found was too many people coming to help in an uncoordinated mass caused HUGE logistical problems, and only added to the chaos. Some are needed now, and some later. Duplicity of expertise and services is a consideration and MAY be one of the reasons for not immediately needing the Thai teams.

In answer to another post, China was reported to have sent a 15 man team already. Japan had also sent teams to aid China during their earthquake. This is considered a mutual reciprocity regardless of the current political situations. If only TV posters could be as magnanimous.

[kuffki]

I will go all the way back to my post on page 1. There are worldwide "integrated" emergency efforts underway. Don't you think they actually do plan for these things? Yes, there are American teams on the ground, as well as from other countries. There are ALSO American teams on standby. My information, in fact, came from an American team, on standby, explaining the situation.

I have some experience in emergency management, which doesn't need to be explained, but the first thing we found was too many people coming to help in an uncoordinated mass caused HUGE logistical problems, and only added to the chaos. Some are needed now, and some later. Duplicity of expertise and services is a consideration and MAY be one of the reasons for not immediately needing the Thai teams.

In answer to another post, China was reported to have sent a 15 man team already. Japan had also sent teams to aid China during their earthquake. This is considered a mutual reciprocity regardless of the current political situations. If only TV posters could be as magnanimous.

US has also sent nuclear scientists to assist

[473geo]

What an amazing run of ignorant posts......clearly the areas of greatest devastation are in the vicinity of the nuclear emergency.........

Japan not wishing to put overseas volunteers at risk is easy to understand.......except to those who appear to wish to rubbish the brave Thai volunteers..........

You should be ashamed of your comments...........

Except that now there are numbers of navy ships off the coast including the U.S.S Ronald Reagan all within range of any offshore winds blowing their direction...

I'm not even going to give the obvious answer to that one!

[WarpSpeed]

Not obvious to everyone so why don't you share please?? It is also true that in such disasters cruise ships are often used as floating hotels and evacuation centers for rescue workers and homeless victims and those would also be at serious risk..

[473geo]

Not obvious to everyone so why don't you share please?? It is also true that in such disasters cruise ships are often used as floating hotels and evacuation centers for rescue workers and homeless victims and those would also be at serious risk..

Most experienced captains know the difference between downwind and upwind, in a proximity close to Japan it would not be too difficult to monitor the prevailing winds and thus avoid being downwind of any danger. Search parties are by nature of their work confined to the area where they are required to search, thus a different situation.

Edited March 13, 2011 by 473geo

[WarpSpeed]

Not obvious to everyone so why don't you share please?? It is also true that in such disasters cruise ships are often used as floating hotels and evacuation centers for rescue workers and homeless victims and those would also be at serious risk..

Most experienced captains know the difference between downwind and upwind, in a proximity close to Japan it would not be too difficult to monitor the prevailing winds and thus avoid being downwind of any danger. Search parties are by nature of their work confined to the area where they are required to search, thus a different situation.

I thought you might make a foolish statement like that and you didn't disappoint. I guess you're not as aware as you think you are about unpredictability of wind patterns versus a ships available maneuvering speed and agility especially if it happens to be at anchor.

Throughout history even with very educated minds preparing and planning for weeks and months in advance (which in this case no one has or can), even past nuclear tests have ended up with unintended blow overs of highly populated urban areas.. If humanity was so good at anticipating such natural occurrences none of this would have happened in the first place..

Radiation is not visible and only detectable by sophisticated equipment on scene at the time of exposure which is too late.. Recently European airspace was closed to air traffic due to a volcano eruption and even though they could see that cloud they couldn't predict accurately the dangers of flying through it at altitude and thus made a blanket shut down of airspace out of precautions..

Edited March 13, 2011 by WarpSpeed

[473geo]

I wasn't aware 'urban areas' could relocate if danger was identified......but perhaps my knowledge of buildings is as bad as my knowledge of ships

Edit: Please do tell me what the effects of a jet engine going through volcanic ash has to do with the situation of marine placements in Japan

Edited March 13, 2011 by 473geo

[ginjag]

This continual Thai bashing needs to stop.

It's not funny or smart, and the continual abuse of Thailand and Thai people on this forum is enough to get this site banned from Thai servers, so even if you can't bring yourselves to stop for the sake of the many Thai people who are upset about the continual abuse they get here, then stop for the sake of ThaiVisa, or risk it being blacklisted on Thai servers.

Mrs Mills -new to the scene, and already controlling forum, Sorry dear lady pianist--she was a really nice person, one or two of my posts removed were in answer to posts that were I think set up to encourage some anti comments, The thread re Thai tourism and their insensitive remarks---the police remarks on the Chiang Mai deaths--bus crash Nan police remark -driver not used to the road in that area--Thai Airways-re waist lines--and a multitude more---does forum expect posters to agree with these thread remarks, Maybe we should say no corruption here, everything in the garden is rosy ??? I really do object to the sick extremes on both sides. A good honest opinion here now and I am going to feel guilty to post.

[WarpSpeed]

I wasn't aware 'urban areas' could relocate if danger was identified......but perhaps my knowledge of buildings is as bad as my knowledge of ships

Have to agree with the above highlighted point as they can't be moved but can be AVOIDED with proper planning and weather predictions but that is the premise of what I posted, they can't PROPERLY and accurately predict where it is going to travel based on wind directions and still effectively move in time, especially when they're this close to ground zero as it were and in some cases at anchor...

[Nisa]

Strange how the Japs have ASKED the UK to get to Japan soon as.

Australians and Americans are already on the ground there.

The US was there before the earthquake and has been there since WWII.

A number of countries have rescue teams already sent into Japan before coordinating with Japan. Japan now is expressing to a number of countries to put their teams on stand by as this is not the kind of help they need right now and need to get a better handle on the situation and what is needed. Obviously at this point they need to use the resources they have to evaluate and make plans and take actions such as making areas accessible and safer before using resources to babysit and direct foreign search and rescue teams.

REPORTED ABOUT 12-HOURS AGO:

The United Nations said that search and rescue teams from more than 45 countries were ready to head to the country if it needs help. "More than 68 teams from more than 45 countries are on standby," Elisabeth Byrs, spokeswoman of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) told AFP.

[Nisa]

This continual Thai bashing needs to stop.

It's not funny or smart, and the continual abuse of Thailand and Thai people on this forum is enough to get this site banned from Thai servers, so even if you can't bring yourselves to stop for the sake of the many Thai people who are upset about the continual abuse they get here, then stop for the sake of ThaiVisa, or risk it being blacklisted on Thai servers.

You don't think it is smart and clever for posters to crack jokes about Thais on this thread and then move over to another Japan thread and talk about how insensitive Thais are regarding the Japan tragedy?

As for the site getting banned I'm sure that is a small risk TV needs to take given a good percentage of their base is unhappy whining expats who haven't learned to happily integrate into Thai society and/or are incapable of learning self contentment and positive thinking from Thais.

I personally find Thais are clearly some of the most loyal, generous and calming group of people on this planet and find the response to this tragedy by Thais as whole from the top of society on down very sincere.

[Scott]

Posters are reminded to stay on topic and to refrain from comments concerning the character of other posters.

Being critical of the actions of a government as well as cynicism is acceptable. Extremely negative views about Thais and Thailand is not.

Please stay on topic.

Thanks.

[silverhawk_usa]

Japan seeks limited foreign aid

The UN says Japan has requested for limited help in its rescue efforts after the devastating quake and tsunami.

Japan has requested a limited number of foreign search and rescue teams to help with the aftermath of its major earthquake and tsunami, the United Nations said.

More than 68 search and rescue teams from 45 countries have offered aid to Japan, which was hit by the earthquake and tsunami on Friday in the northeast, the UN said.

"Japan has requested international search and rescue teams, but only a handful," Elisabeth Byrs, spokeswoman of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), said in Geneva.

Ban Ki-moon, the UN Secretary-General, told reporters in New York, "the world is shocked and saddened by the images coming out of Japan this morning.

"We will do anything and everything we can at this very difficult time."

At least four teams had been requested - from Australia, New Zealand, South Korea and the United States, Byrs said.

Australia, South Korea and Singapore will all send search and rescue teams and sniffer dogs to help search for trapped survivors, their governments said Saturday.................

From Al Jazeera

Remember Japan is not like Haiti. There are now 100,000 Japanese Military involved in search and rescue and there are between 40-50,000 U.S. Military permanently stationed in Japan.

Edited March 13, 2011 by silverhawk_usa

[Nisa]

Not obvious to everyone so why don't you share please?? It is also true that in such disasters cruise ships are often used as floating hotels and evacuation centers for rescue workers and homeless victims and those would also be at serious risk..

Most experienced captains know the difference between downwind and upwind, in a proximity close to Japan it would not be too difficult to monitor the prevailing winds and thus avoid being downwind of any danger. Search parties are by nature of their work confined to the area where they are required to search, thus a different situation.

Lets not forget this is the U.S.S Ronald Reagan which is a NUCLEAR POWERED military carrier. I think they are well versed on how to handle and respond to a nuclear issues.

[bangkokeddy]

Lets not forget this is the U.S.S Ronald Reagan which is a NUCLEAR POWERED military carrier. I think they are well versed on how to handle and respond to a nuclear issues.

They have certainly few people in the engine department who could well explain what all this 'nuclear' is about, but as whole military unit probably not the expert team to deal with the reactor issue.

The USS Ronald Reagan, as well as its carrier strike group, including the cruiser Chancellorsville, destroyer Preble and combat support ship Bridge, arrived in the east coast of Honshu early Sunday Japan time. The aircraft carrier’s substantial flight deck will serve as a refueling point for Japan Self Defense Force and other helicopters. U.S. Pacific Fleet officials revealed that the USS Ronald Reagan will begin to assist later Sunday.

Fleet officials shared further that the destroyers McCampbell and Curtis Wilbur were near Miyagi. The destroyers will help Japanese authorities in searh-and-rescue operations at sea, as well as recovery missions.

...

http://blog.usnavyseals.com/2011/03/uss-ronald-reagan-in-japan-to-provide-assistance.html

[Nisa]

Lets not forget this is the U.S.S Ronald Reagan which is a NUCLEAR POWERED military carrier. I think they are well versed on how to handle and respond to a nuclear issues.

They have certainly few people in the engine department who could well explain what all this 'nuclear' is about, but as whole military unit probably not the expert team to deal with the reactor issue.

Nobody said they were as you are taking my response to another post out of context. And yes the entire crew is educated on how to safely react to a nuclear event on the ship making them well qualified to understand the dangerous of prevailing winds and and nuke contamination coming from Japan ... as this was what the conversation was in reference to.

[bangkokeddy]

Nobody said they were as you are taking my response to another post out of context. And yes the entire crew is educated on how to safely react to a nuclear event on the ship making them well qualified to understand the dangerous of prevailing winds and and nuke contamination coming from Japan ... as this was what the conversation was in reference to.

Ahh, okay. I didn't saw that it is already about the nuclear fallout and the radioactively contaminated site that was once known as Japan.

As you said the entire crew is educated on that, optimistic children of the Atomic Age, who will not fear or hesitate to take part in relief operations despite some scaremongering.

To help in the area devastated by an earthquake and tsunami thats what they came for and their help will be welcome.

[dananderson]

Nobody outside of Japan is contributing more than the USA. Fear mongering will be left to the less intelligent.

[sentogawa]

Good article about the Fukushima accident, and why there's not as much cause for concern as CNN and the like would have you believe.

http://theenergycollective.com/barrybrook/53461/fukushima-nuclear-accident-simple-and-accurate-explanation

[softgeorge]

Nobody outside of Japan is contributing more than the USA. Fear mongering will be left to the less intelligent.

OMG here we go again the good old USA, we are the greatest saviours of the world. Why not just simply say the USA is assisting Japan just like other countries and not infer the USA is doing the most and the best. This is not the time to start blowing your own trumpet and waving the US flag yelling look at us look at us. This is about Japan not the USA.

[dananderson]

Good article about the Fukushima accident, and why there's not as much cause for concern as CNN and the like would have you believe.

http://theenergycoll...ate-explanation

Sounds like a response from boeing after a plane crash. The initial redundacy systems failed. Seismologists upgraded the quake to a 9 which skews his algorythins as they are expontial. He glosses over the worst case scenarious due to his pro nuke bias. Send his ass to ground zero with some cold water and then get back to me. What....another tsunami, more quakes? This was not part of my thesis....

Edited March 13, 2011 by dananderson

[dananderson]

Nobody outside of Japan is contributing more than the USA. Fear mongering will be left to the less intelligent.

OMG here we go again the good old USA, we are the greatest saviours of the world. Why not just simply say the USA is assisting Japan just like other countries and not infer the USA is doing the most and the best. This is not the time to start blowing your own trumpet and waving the US flag yelling look at us look at us. This is about Japan not the USA.

The USA has 38,000 troops on the ground assiting from day one. Fact that is pertinant to the topics of nations assiting. would have said the same if it was China. I was bashing no one nor trumpet blaring..