PM. A Thaksin Return To Politics Would Be Possible.

[Lite Beer]

PM: pleaded everyone not to concoct political rumors to stir public opinions

By NUPPOL SUVANSOMBUT.

BANGKOK, 27 March 2011 (NNT)-Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said he wished for a transparent election campaign, saying vote-buying would undermine people’s rights to vote, adding that Former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra would be able to return to politics as long as he abided by the law.

Following a phone-in by Mr. Thaksin encouraging red shirt protesters to vote for his party in the upcoming polls, Mr. Abhisit said if Mr. Thaksin wished for a return, it would be possible under the laws. The Prime Minister added that he would consult with the Election Commission of Thailand in a bid to promote transparency in the election campaign.

Mr. Abhisit also pleaded with everyone not to spread political rumors through the survey, claiming that the election result would speak for itself. He said later that this was a perfect time to hold an election for the Thai people to decide their own future and to drive the country forward.

-- NNT 2011-03-27

[elcent]

looool, you don't need to be drunk to get dizzzzzzy here.

[colinscarr]

But if he returns to Thailand now, then 'under the laws' he's a fugitive from justice who has to be banged up for two years as a convicted criminal.

Unless the PM is suggesting some kind of deal in the long Thai tradition of elites being unaccountable for their crimes?...

[chachachacha]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

[whybother]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

Yep. Who cares about all the laws he's broken. All his supporters who complain about the "elite" getting off crimes ignore that they want their leader to do exactly that.

[chachachacha]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

Yep. Who cares about all the laws he's broken. All his supporters who complain about the "elite" getting off crimes ignore that they want their leader to do exactly that.

What you seem to want is an unlevel playing field .Where one lot do what they want but the other (Thaksin) should be an angel. What is going on here is only the same as what goes on in the self proclaimed bastion of democracy USA.

[473geo]

I guess Bucholtz just went and hung himself.......

Edited March 27, 2011 by 473geo

[animatic]

Sure he can come back serve his time,

and then go through all the other trials he is due for.

No doubt some will try and make sure he is caught in flagrante delicto in something so repugnant even his red supporters will turn up their noses in disgust. Yeah leave him around, but politically maimed and defaced.

I doubt Bucholtz came close to the noose, he knows full well technically there are at present legal avenues for Thaksin. But he also knows, Thaksin can only come back if he can't lose face by doing time, or going into further trials, and while it technically is true he can come back, the hurdles to cross are beyond what his ego can allow himself to suffer.

Edited March 27, 2011 by animatic

[chachachacha]

Sure he can come back serve his time,

and then go through all the other trials he is due for.

No doubt some will try and make sure he is caught in flagrante delicto in something so repugnant even his red supporters will turn up their noses in disgust. Yeah leave him around, but politically maimed and defaced.

I feel your love LOL

You keep dreaming Haha

[whybother]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

Yep. Who cares about all the laws he's broken. All his supporters who complain about the "elite" getting off crimes ignore that they want their leader to do exactly that.

What you seem to want is an unlevel playing field .Where one lot do what they want but the other (Thaksin) should be an angel. What is going on here is only the same as what goes on in the self proclaimed bastion of democracy USA.

What I would like is the people complaining about double standards not to demand double standards when it suits them.

I would like it if there was no corruption, but I don't think going back to Thaksin is the right direction to achieve that.

[ramrod711]

But if he returns to Thailand now, then 'under the laws' he's a fugitive from justice who has to be banged up for two years as a convicted criminal.

Unless the PM is suggesting some kind of deal in the long Thai tradition of elites being unaccountable for their crimes?...

he could come back to thailand under the same laws that allow his convicted felon wife to not serve her two year prison sentence and leave the country when ever she wants to

[chachachacha]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

Yep. Who cares about all the laws he's broken. All his supporters who complain about the "elite" getting off crimes ignore that they want their leader to do exactly that.

What you seem to want is an unlevel playing field .Where one lot do what they want but the other (Thaksin) should be an angel. What is going on here is only the same as what goes on in the self proclaimed bastion of democracy USA.

What I would like is the people complaining about double standards not to demand double standards when it suits them.

I would like it if there was no corruption, but I don't think going back to Thaksin is the right direction to achieve that.

Must say the other lot had power for many many years before any Red Shirt Government & they didn't want to stop corruption . Hey , they have power now until the election & still didn't do anything .

[473geo]

Sure he can come back serve his time,

and then go through all the other trials he is due for.

No doubt some will try and make sure he is caught in flagrante delicto in something so repugnant even his red supporters will turn up their noses in disgust. Yeah leave him around, but politically maimed and defaced.

I doubt Bucholtz came close to the noose, he knows full well technically there are at present legal avenues for Thaksin. But he also knows, Thaksin can only come back if he can't lose face by doing time, or going into further trials, and while it technically is true he can come back, the hurdles to cross are beyond what his ego can allow himself to suffer.

Perhaps the public face of Thai politcs and the 'in private' manouvres are a little different, the understanding of many on this forum does not appear to take this aspect into account

[Canada]

if he comes back and they vote him in, or vice versa...they deserve what they get

[473geo]

if he comes back and they vote him in, or vice versa...they deserve what they get

Is that not the point, people learn by their own mistakes, had the last coup not taken place, perhaps Thailand would have evolved, and be moving in a more educated balanced direction right now........ an opportunity missed?

[whybother]

if he comes back and they vote him in, or vice versa...they deserve what they get

Is that not the point, people learn by their own mistakes, had the last coup not taken place, perhaps Thailand would have evolved, and be moving in a more educated balanced direction right now........ an opportunity missed?

The question is, would Thailand have had a chance to correct their mistake had the last coup not taken place. It was heading in that direction, but we will never know.

[animatic]

Sure he can come back serve his time,

and then go through all the other trials he is due for.

No doubt some will try and make sure he is caught in flagrante delicto in something so repugnant even his red supporters will turn up their noses in disgust. Yeah leave him around, but politically maimed and defaced.

I doubt Bucholtz came close to the noose, he knows full well technically there are at present legal avenues for Thaksin. But he also knows, Thaksin can only come back if he can't lose face by doing time, or going into further trials, and while it technically is true he can come back, the hurdles to cross are beyond what his ego can allow himself to suffer.

Perhaps the public face of Thai politcs and the 'in private' manouvres are a little different, the understanding of many on this forum does not appear to take this aspect into account

He came back once and split... even Samak controled PPP couldn't provide enough whitewash.

Then the wife split on him.

and Newin almost instantly after that.

Leaving Chalerm, who has now split.

His party is splitting apart at the seamy seams.

Do you imagine that there are not those who would move heaven and earth to see him permanently marginalized?

But not a dead martyr.

Yes, the private maneuvers as such should be his biggest worry, there is not business partner he can trust 100% here. not a one. And sidelining him in the eyes of the people would be a major goal to throw money at for many who expect to be on his enemies list6..

Edited March 27, 2011 by animatic

[WhizBang]

if  he comes back and they vote him in, or vice versa...they deserve what they get

Amen to that.  But then, that's what they have been getting all along, and look at where Thailand is today, moving backwards, while the rest of the world moves forward.

Thaskin has made too many enemies to return.  And if he did manage to return, I would not want to be here when he starts his cycle of revenge and payback.

Thaskin is just bad news. Period.

[bartender100]

I've been saying he will be back for a long time and getting ridiculed, now its becoming more and more like a reality. Will be a sad day for Thailand

[jdinasia]

if he comes back and they vote him in, or vice versa...they deserve what they get

Is that not the point, people learn by their own mistakes, had the last coup not taken place, perhaps Thailand would have evolved, and be moving in a more educated balanced direction right now........ an opportunity missed?

Educated and balanced? You must be joking but applying your logic from another thread this must mean that you approve of extra-judicial murders

Thaksin (as the current PM points out) is NOT exiled from Thailand. He has not publicly renounced his citizenship and is allowed to return. He will then have to serve out his jail sentence and face the (I think 19) other charges against him.

The fun part will be, if he ever serves out his sentences and attempts to return to political service (which he could not do in most countries due to his conviction of a political crime) how he will try and explain away his citizenship in other countries after the reds tried to smear Abhisit for having a UK birthright. (In other words Abhisit has always been both Thai and Brit from birth, but Thaksin sought out citizenship in other places.)

[Ricardo]

I find it interesting that it's PM-Abhisit, who is the person actually suggesting the possibility, wonder what his motives might be ? 'Vote for us, or it could be worse' ? !

Or is he stealing the PTP's best (and only) line ?

[chachachacha]

I find it interesting that it's PM-Abhisit, who is the person actually suggesting the possibility, wonder what his motives might be ? 'Vote for us, or it could be worse' ? !

Or is he stealing the PTP's best (and only) line ?

I find it remarkable that people are having trouble seeing what is going on . First the release of Red Shirts now this. Could it be that people are trying to find favour with the PTP ? because they know there is only one outcome to the election & that will pave the way for Thaksins return.

Not sure & stand to be corrected but is there not a clause in Thai law that there can be no prosicution of people if they are serving as Government MPs.

Edited March 27, 2011 by chachachacha

[Buchholz]

Thaksin will be back only the stupid think otherwise. There is no stopping that Red shirt train . The next election after this will bring home to Thailand & his place as leader of the Government .

That Red train derailed in July 2007 and has never been put back onto the tracks

[Buchholz]

I guess Bucholtz just went and hung himself.......

An extremely bizarre statement for you to make, but never mind, still, why would "Buchholz" (proper spelling, again) do that?

It's a ruse.

" C'mon back, Thaksin. Sure you can re-enter politics. "

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Edited March 27, 2011 by Buchholz

[metisdead]

A bickering session has been removed.

Posters are reminded to stay on topic and to refrain from comments concerning the character of other posters.

[rixalex]

Must say the other lot had power for many many years before any Red Shirt Government & they didn't want to stop corruption . Hey , they have power now until the election & still didn't do anything .

I think simply for the Prime Minister to serve his term without having used his position to enrich himself, will have been a massive step forward from where we were. Obviously it's too early to pass judgment on Abhisit and to categorically declare that he hasn't commited abuses for personal financial gain - time will tell - but i think it's safe to say that were there any obvious, blatant cases, such as we saw under Thaksin, the reds would have dug them up by now, rather than the flimsy and weak stuff they have been coming out with to try and dirty his name, such as questioning his citizenship.

Of course that's not to say that various members of the government aren't guilty, but for corruption to be dealt with, it has to start with the man at the top. You need him to set an example, and then work down from there. I think Abhisit has done that. The working down bit will take many many years.

[Oberkommando]

there is not business partner he can trust 100% here. not a one.

Same for everyone else, at all levels.

[geriatrickid]

Mr. Thaksin is a spent force and PM Abhisit knows it. That's why he's calling the Thaksin bluff. It's a way of showing that Abhisit is not scared of the Thaksin mystique. The best that Thaksin could hope for is a position as adviser to the government. In return for being allowed to return and a face saving position, along with a pardon, Mr. Thaksin would have to stay out of the day to day politics of Thailand.

I think it would be hilarious if the Thaksin associated parties were to somehow win the next election. The sheer joy of knowing that some ofThaiVisa's spewers of venom would be worried and looking over their shoulders would do it for me. One could have so much fun suggesting that the secret internet police were closing in on Pattaya and Si Racha looking for angry old miserable farangs.

[Ricardo]

Not sure & stand to be corrected but is there not a clause in Thai law that there can be no prosicution of people if they are serving as Government MPs.

I think the case of Jatuporn shows that this immunity goes for any MP, not just a Government one ?

[kuffki]

It does not apply to Thaksin, as he already has been convicted and sentenced and has more charges pending