licentiapoetica Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) http://www.ef.fi/epi/ef-epi-ranking/ 'Rank' 'Country' 'EF EPI Score' 'Level' 1 Norway 69.09 Very High Proficiency 2 Netherlands 67.93 Very High Proficiency 3 Denmark 66.58 Very High Proficiency 4 Sweden 66.26 Very High Proficiency 5 Finland 61.25 Very High Proficiency 6 Austria 58.58 High Proficiency 7 Belgium 57.23 High Proficiency 8 Germany 56.64 High Proficiency 9 Malaysia 55.54 High Proficiency 10 Poland 54.62 Moderate Proficiency 11 Switzerland 54.60 Moderate Proficiency 12 Hong Kong 54.44 Moderate Proficiency 13 South Korea 54.19 Moderate Proficiency 14 Japan 54.17 Moderate Proficiency 15 Portugal 53.62 Moderate Proficiency 16 Argentina 53.49 Moderate Proficiency 17 France 53.16 Moderate Proficiency 18 Mexico 51.48 Moderate Proficiency 19 Czech Republic 51.31 Moderate Proficiency 20 Hungary 50.80 Moderate Proficiency 21 Slovakia 50.64 Moderate Proficiency 22 Costa Rica 49.15 Low Proficiency 23 Italy 49.05 Low Proficiency 24 Spain 49.01 Low Proficiency 25 Taiwan 48.93 Low Proficiency 26 Saudi Arabia 48.05 Low Proficiency 27 Guatemala 47.80 Low Proficiency 28 El Salvador 47.65 Low Proficiency 29 China 47.62 Low Proficiency 30 India 47.35 Low Proficiency 31 Brazil 47.27 Low Proficiency 32 Russia 45.79 Low Proficiency 33 Dominican Republic 44.91 Very Low Proficiency 34 Indonesia 44.78 Very Low Proficiency 35 Peru 44.71 Very Low Proficiency 36 Chile 44.63 Very Low Proficiency 37 Ecuador 44.54 Very Low Proficiency 38 Venezuela 44.43 Very Low Proficiency 39 Vietnam 44.32 Very Low Proficiency 40 Panama 43.62 Very Low Proficiency 41 Colombia 42.77 Very Low Proficiency 42 Thailand 39.41 Very Low Proficiency 43 Turkey 37.66 Very Low Proficiency 44 Kazakhstan 31.74 Very Low Proficiency English proficiency is highest in Europe as a whole. All the very high proficiency countries and all but one of the high proficiency countries are found there. However, the trend does not hold for all European countries: Spain, Italy and Turkey fall behind their neighbors. Asia has a range of English proficiency levels from high in Malaysia to very low in Vietnam and Indonesia. The wealthier Asian countries tend to have higher levels of proficiency, as would be expected from their higher rates of school attendance and greater investment in private English courses. Latin America has the lowest level of English proficiency of any region. Only Mexico and Argentina score above low proficiency. Historically weaker school enrollment levels, more political unrest, and low levels of government investment in education are all contributing factors. --- Edited April 2, 2011 by licentiapoetica Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmac Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I notice England doesn't make the list! Presumably down to illiteracy in schools and massive immigration!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginexile Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I work with Thai's in the Middle East, there are a few Thai companies trying to crack the construction industry overseas but their main obsticle is their Thai staff/workers lack of English skills. It's a shame, these engineers are world class and can easily compete with Fillipinos for overseas jobs but alas...no or little English skills. Thailand is losing billions every year in what would be a very good income from Thai workers overseas sending their salaries home. Me thinks it is a polcy from high up the ruling elite ladder to keep the poor poor. Only top Bkk elite get the oppertunity to learn English at any sort of professional manner. What a shame Thailand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soutpeel Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I notice England doesn't make the list! Presumably down to illiteracy in schools and massive immigration!! it most likely would come in at 11th position, just under Poland... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krading Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 "It's a shame, these engineers are world class....":D:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Wow, Thailand made it on to the list, so getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PattayaParent Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I notice England doesn't make the list! Presumably down to illiteracy in schools and massive immigration!! USA isn't on the list either, I remember when USA had a lower literacy rate than Philippines and Philippines doesn't even make the top 44! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSingh Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I just returned 2 x Books bought by people for my Daughter's Birthday, back to Se-ed Book Shop as the English in them was absolutely ridiculous & i simply won't have my Daughter learning from them. That's not the first time i've done that either.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstribling Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) I would think it's only for non- english speaking countries. Drunk isn't a language. I should know Edited April 2, 2011 by mstribling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 Drunk isn't a language. I should know It bloody well is, and I'm rather well versed in it thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) Absolutely meaningless. So speaking English is a definitive advantage ? It makes the difference between winners and losers ? Malaysia ahead of Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan and China ? Just visit a trailer park in the USA or in a British suburb, you will see for yourself what a definitive advantage speaking english gives you FYI, this survey is sponsored by "the largest privately held education company that specializes in language training" Edited April 2, 2011 by JurgenG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 FYI, this survey is sponsored by "the largest privately held education company that specializes in language training" And....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) FYI, this survey is sponsored by "the largest privately held education company that specializes in language training" And....... To be honest, saying you can speak english in an international resume is like saying you can read and write, it is assumed. But linking the english proficiency of a nation with its world ranking is preposterous. Japan and Germany, and now China, owe more their prosperity to their engineers than to their english proficiency. Edited April 2, 2011 by JurgenG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 FYI, this survey is sponsored by "the largest privately held education company that specializes in language training" And....... To be honest, saying you can speak english in an international resume is like saying you can read and write, it is assumed. And what if they can't speak English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 FYI, this survey is sponsored by "the largest privately held education company that specializes in language training" And....... To be honest, saying you can speak english in an international resume is like saying you can read and write, it is assumed. And what if they can't speak English? You look for work in your home country. A lot of people don't see a problem with that. Actually a lot of foreign companies have problem with their local subsidiaries in Asia because they hire people based on their language abilities rather than their professional abilities. And it's not this kind of survey that is going to help them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tod Daniels Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 USA isn't on the list either, I remember when USA had a lower literacy rate than Philippines and Philippines doesn't even make the top 44! Uhh, news flash!! The O/P's post is NOT about literacy, but about proficiency in engrish. Must be your second language huh? Keep up with those ESL classes they'll pay off .. Just joking. :jap: .. .. Actually in outright literacy in their native language Thailand is pretty close to the top 'o the heap, far ahead of the US or UK. Although I'm more than a little suspect of any figures or stats which come from the government. I do find it strange that the Phillipines doesn't make the top 44 in engrish proficiency as they're far more adept at speaking engrish than I've seen err heard around these parts. Then again, maybe they were exempt and considered a native engrish speaking country in this instance. Are you sure 'drunk' isn't an honest to goodness second language . I hear it spoken all the time here by foreigners and Thais alike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I think the point has somewhat eluded you jurgen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I think the point has somewhat eluded you jurgen The point being ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) I think the point has somewhat eluded you jurgen The point being ? Let's put it this way..... Your name would suggest that you are German? Or perhaps Austrian? Either way, I would guess that English is not your first language. So I don't quite understand how you can suggest that speaking English is not important to people when you yourself have learned to speak English. This isn't about nations, it's about individuals. Edited April 2, 2011 by Moonrakers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacificperson Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 This list is pretty self-promoting. The scores are from those who took free online English tests at the company's website. Thus, the rankings "are far more representative of the average English level of adults than other worldwide English tests." Someone doesn't know much about that which they are BSing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JurgenG Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) I think the point has somewhat eluded you jurgen The point being ? Let's put it this way..... Your name would suggest that you are German? Or perhaps Austrian? Either way, I would guess that English is not your first language. So I don't quite understand how you can suggest that speaking English is not important to people when you yourself have learned to speak English. This isn't about nations, it's about individuals. Right about english not being my first language. But I still don't get the point .... English is important to me because I'm in international business but I deal on a daily basis with engineers and technicians who can't speak english. They are at their position because of their technical abilities, I'm at mine because of other abilities, one of them is being able to speak a couple of foreign languages. But honestly I still don't get it, so what is the point of this thread? Edited April 2, 2011 by JurgenG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonrakers Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I'm at mine because of other abilities, one of them is being able to speak a couple of foreign languages. I think you can't see the wood for the trees here. Nevermind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacificperson Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) The point of the thread is that the OP found a list that he/she thought was interesting and threw it out so that the TV crew could chew on it. My opinion is that the list is not very accurate. Yours was that it was absolutely meaningless. I'd say that we are in agreement. Edited April 2, 2011 by Pacificperson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farang000999 Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 I think Thais are better at English than this list implies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejah Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 England and USA didnt make it (this joke only works when reading the short title only) DRAPY (Didn't Read All Posts Yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshoshitzu Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I'm amazed that France scored higher than Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I'm at mine because of other abilities, one of them is being able to speak a couple of foreign languages. I think you can't see the wood for the trees here. Nevermind Wibble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanForbes Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Let's make an equally fair comparison of English speaking people living in Thailand for 5 years or more. How many of them speak fluent Thai? You know, enough to actually CONVERSE with Thai people. I was on a ferry to Koh Samet while sitting beside 3 blokes who were talking steadily amongst each other. It was half an hour before I realized they were actually speaking English. As it turned out they were Cockney Londoners on their first trip to Thailand. I only understood about one out of 10 words they spoke. Hey, but what should I know, I'm only a Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancelot Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 I would think it's only for non- english speaking countries. Drunk isn't a language. I should know Agreed but Pattaya Parent is just being himself-handsome man that he is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted April 3, 2011 Share Posted April 3, 2011 Hey, but what should I know, I'm only a Canadian. No meed to apologise for that, we forgive you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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