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Afraid Of Americans?

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My interpretation of what his question was is this---For all non-Americans, when you view something in the media about the US, how does it make you feel about America?  Does it give you a positive or negative view of the US and why?

Is this right TBB?

Well, it all depends what media you use and what outlook you have on life, doesnt it?

If you are a socialist reading socialist media, you are not likely to be impressed about much coming out of the US, at least not at present, except for maybe Steve Earle, Noam Chomsky and Bad Religion (on second thoughts, maybe not even full-blooded socialists are tasteless enough to enjoy Bad Religion).

If you were a right-wing, pro-gun rights, anti-government born-again Christian following the media such people follow (Guns and Ammo and the Watchtower?), I bet you wish you lived there yourself.

Very true meadish.

But would any of the news get people to reconsider the vacation plans? Would a person from a European nation read American news and say "I think it would be dangerous to go there." Would they find it a confusing place to be just be reading the news? Think of someone who doesn't know Thailand or Thai people very well or at all reading several artilces of Thai news for the first time. How would they react to it? Now, use that same situation only substitute Thai with America.

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I'd be real concerned about America too if I believed what's in MSM these days. Plus, when events like the following occur... :o

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The legendary University of Iowa football coach Hayen Fry had the visitor’s locker room at Kinnick Stadium (Iowa’s home field) appointed completely in pink a long time ago. This was done to have a psychological impact on the visiting team. It’s also funny.

Well, Kinnick Stadium recently underwent renovation and the visitor’s locker room was redecorated; again in pink to honor the legacy of Coach Fry. Everything in pink; urinals, stalls, wall, carpeting, ceiling. Actually, the Associate Athletic Director Jane Meyer says the color is Dusty Rose.

Being that this is college and there is no room whatsoever for anything that could somehow be misconstrued or interpreted as the slightest bit demeaning to one of our society’s oft-offended minority groups; brand-spankin’-new law professor Erin Buzuvis is scampering off to complain to the NCAA about the pink Duty Rose locker room facilities. Ms. Buzuvis thinks feels that pink implies sexism and/or homophobia.

"I’ve heard this is a way to honor a great coach, and Fry was a great coach,” Buzuvis said. “But I don’t think it does him any honor to perpetuate what is seen by many as a sexist and homophobic gesture."

"With a pink locker room, you’re saying that ‘You are a girlie man. You are weak, like a girl,’ “Buzuvis said. “That implies that girls are nondominant, therefore, lesser. And that is offensive."

Yep - That’s right, Ms. Boo-hoo-zuvis. Football is a game of strength, thoughness, skill, speed, cunning, discipline, and manhood. By implying that your opposing team is not quite as manly as yours, you are insulting them. It’s a non-verbal form of trash talk and posturing in order to gain a psychological advantage over said opponent through indimidation.

Ms. Boo-hoo-zuvis has now received death threats for being an uptight feminist bitch with nothing better to do than meddle in the affairs of something in which she really has no real interest; the game of football. OK, death threats are wrong. (And so is she.)

This is just another prime example of the left’s efforts to completely undermine and dismantle just about anything and everything that is good or great left in America.

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I'd be real concerned about America too if I believed what's in MSM these days.  Plus, when events like the following occur... :o

pinklocker.jpg

The legendary University of Iowa football coach Hayen Fry had the visitor’s locker room at Kinnick Stadium (Iowa’s home field) appointed completely in pink a long time ago.  This was done to have a psychological impact on the visiting team.  It’s also funny. 

Well, Kinnick Stadium recently underwent renovation and the visitor’s locker room was redecorated; again in pink to honor the legacy of Coach Fry.  Everything in pink; urinals, stalls, wall, carpeting, ceiling.  Actually, the Associate Athletic Director Jane Meyer says the color is Dusty Rose.

Being that this is college and there is no room whatsoever for anything that could somehow be misconstrued or interpreted as the slightest bit demeaning to one of our society’s oft-offended minority groups; brand-spankin’-new law professor Erin Buzuvis is scampering off to complain to the NCAA about the pink Duty Rose locker room facilities.  Ms. Buzuvis thinks feels that pink implies sexism and/or homophobia.

"I’ve heard this is a way to honor a great coach, and Fry was a great coach,” Buzuvis said. “But I don’t think it does him any honor to perpetuate what is seen by many as a sexist and homophobic gesture."

"With a pink locker room, you’re saying that ‘You are a girlie man. You are weak, like a girl,’ “Buzuvis said. “That implies that girls are nondominant, therefore, lesser. And that is offensive."

Yep - That’s right, Ms. Boo-hoo-zuvis.  Football is a game of strength, thoughness, skill, speed, cunning, discipline, and manhood.  By implying that your opposing team is not quite as manly as yours, you are insulting them.  It’s a non-verbal form of trash talk and posturing in order to gain a psychological advantage over said opponent through indimidation.

Ms. Boo-hoo-zuvis has now received death threats for being an uptight feminist bitch with nothing better to do than meddle in the affairs of something in which she really has no real interest; the game of football.  OK, death threats are wrong.  (And so is she.)

This is just another prime example of the left’s efforts to completely undermine and dismantle just about anything and everything that is good or great left in America.

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Here is an exmaple everyone.

If someone (non-American) were to read this what would they think of America?

Would they think we are crazy for caring about colors so much?

Would they think we are nice people to care so much about others feelings?

What do you guys think?

Hmm... So much for keeping it serious... Even the Original poster can´t stay on topic... Got to get all defensive... .America Strikes Back!

Waste of time.

Kayo, what are you talking about? I am trying to keep people serious. I really want to know what people think. So, why don't you add some of your thoughts on the OP instead of adding empty Star Wars rip offs. Cool. :o

er... try reading your thread mate... post number 38.... how many intelligent responses... Zilch.

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Hmm... So much for keeping it serious... Even the Original poster can´t stay on topic... Got to get all defensive... .America Strikes Back!

Waste of time.

Kayo, what are you talking about? I am trying to keep people serious. I really want to know what people think. So, why don't you add some of your thoughts on the OP instead of adding empty Star Wars rip offs. Cool. :D

er... try reading your thread mate... post number 38.... how many intelligent responses... Zilch.

I was trying to keep it lite. I want people to answer but I want people to have fun too. Sorry if I upset you. Please add something yourself. Okay? :o

Try getting news here. CSPAN will spend hours calmly discussing a topic rather than a shouting match or an editorial passed off as news. they will also show hours of live unedited feed of events so you can decide what occured. I find I can watch CSPAN to be informed and not get upset. Go figure. It also leaves me having more confidence that things are not wildly out of control. Read through the CSPAN site and view the available video maybe it will put a more positive spin on things americana.

http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp

These pages allow a person to read the events of the 2000 Florida election via the court transcripts.

http://www.cspan.org/campaign2000/Florida/documents.asp

http://www.cspan.org/campaign2000/Florida/ussupcourt.asp

CSPAN is good. Did you see that pro-war demonstration where there were only a few dozens demonstrators (mostly government employees). I wonder how this was spinned by Faux News ?

From these I can see that Americans, on the whole, are just as dumb and stupid as any other generalised national group.

The only difference being, they make so much noise and fill the airways with their opinions in such unsubtle ways, it is more than obvious, these meanings are undoubtedly in indirect proportion to their value for the rest of us.

right on

but with a difference. America is made of 95% morons with the remaining 5% made of brilliant characters. Therefore it's almost impossible to avoid morons when living over there. As soon as you step in into a WalMart, you are surrounded by those illiterate, incurious, idiotic beach whales who can only do one thing effectively: shopping for oversize package snacks. It's sad really and I feel sorry for them.

In Europe, there are maybe 70%, ok let's say 80% morons, so you have a better chance not to run into them at every corner. Also the difference is that Europe offer a diverse variety of morons making harder to detect them or to identify them, while the US has this "continuity", "standardization" of morons, all made from the same mold. It's like being surrounded by clones. No diversity. They all speak the same, think the same, follow the same people and ideas. They are really a herd of morons, all depending on herd leaders to make their decision or think. A dream come true for corporation who can use this to maximize their profits and manipulate consumers. It's really sad and I don't want to live in a society that "standardize" the people so much. It's like communism. Capitalism was able to achieve what communism couldn't: standardization of society.

Most of my best US friends (and I would do anything for them) are regarded as "marginal" by US standards. They are not, they are just sensible, normal persons, not clones.

"... while the US has this "continuity", "standardization" of morons, all made from the same mold. It's like being surrounded by clones. No diversity. They all speak the same, think the same, follow the same people and ideas. They are really a herd of morons, all depending on herd leaders to make their decision or think. A dream come true for corporation who can use this to maximize their profits and manipulate consumers. It's really sad and I don't want to live in a society that "standardize" the people so much. It's like communism. Capitalism was able to achieve what communism couldn't: standardization of society.

Most of my best US friends (and I would do anything for them) are regarded as "marginal" by US standards. They are not, they are just sensible, normal persons, not clones."

That's actually a gross exaggeration. I think the "cloning" and "standardization" thing does exist, as it exists everywhere, but to a greater degree in America, especially among corporate types. However, there are differences from neighborhood to neighborhood, nevermind from state to state. As a mixed-ethnic person from the Bronx, I could feel as alienated on the Upper East Side in New York as I could in Greenwich, Connecticut or Utah. Gross generalizations like this only prove that you really didn't discover the place where you actually lived for some odd years, but are still relying on slogans as the basis of your analysis. America is full of extremes, possibly more so than Western Europe. That's the basis of analytical information that many Europeans feel to grasp in their "standardization" and "moron" rants.

These extremes create all kinds of characters, but most people from a distance won't know because they form their opinions from mainstream and readily accessible media sources (CNN, Faux News, and yes, the BBC). You will not find these people represented in commercial or mainstream media, which is why many people abroad seem to neglect the fact that they exist.

But if you did a cursory survey of films, both mainstream and alternative, music, books, and leftist politics, you would find plenty of people and characters who don't fit the mold. And on the whole, those who do not fit the mold in America tend to be even hardier and more radical than their Western European counterparts, because they break that mold at a much higher price and risk to their continued economic and social security.

And if you tend to befriend people who are considered "marginal" in America, then you should be able to find plenty of friends because up to 50% of the population don't vote, for a variety of reasons.

"... while the US has this "continuity", "standardization" of morons, all made from the same mold. It's like being surrounded by clones. No diversity. They all speak the same, think the same, follow the same people and ideas. They are really a herd of morons, all depending on herd leaders to make their decision or think. A dream come true for corporation who can use this to maximize their profits and manipulate consumers. It's really sad and I don't want to live in a society that "standardize" the people so much. It's like communism. Capitalism was able to achieve what communism couldn't: standardization of society.

Most of my best US friends (and I would do anything for them) are regarded as "marginal" by US standards. They are not, they are just sensible, normal persons, not clones."

That's actually a gross exaggeration.  I think the "cloning" and "standardization" thing does exist, as it exists everywhere, but to a greater degree in America, especially among corporate types.  However, there are differences from neighborhood to neighborhood, nevermind from state to state.  As a mixed-ethnic person from the Bronx, I could feel as alienated on the Upper East Side in New York as I could in Greenwich, Connecticut or Utah.  Gross generalizations like this only prove that you really didn't discover the place where you actually lived for some odd years, but are still relying on slogans as the basis of your analysis.  America is full of extremes, possibly more so than Western Europe.  That's the basis of analytical information that many Europeans feel to grasp in their "standardization" and "moron" rants.

These extremes create all kinds of characters, but most people from a distance won't know because they form their opinions from mainstream and readily accessible media sources (CNN, Faux News, and yes, the BBC).  You will not find these people represented in commercial or mainstream media, which is why many people abroad seem to neglect the fact that they exist. 

But if you did a cursory survey of films, both mainstream and alternative, music, books, and leftist politics, you would find plenty of people and characters who don't fit the mold.  And on the whole, those who do not fit the mold in America tend to be even hardier and more radical than their Western European counterparts, because they break that mold at a much higher price and risk to their continued economic and social security.

And if you tend to befriend people who are considered "marginal" in America, then you should be able to find plenty of friends because up to 50% of the population don't vote, for a variety of reasons.

I agree with Kat - plenty of nutters in yankland!!!! :o:D

Yes, and of varying qualities :o

However, I do agree with Butterfly that the consumerist culture of America pervades everything, which contributes to a higher degree of standardization than Europe. But to say that there is no diversity in America, is a ridiculous statement.

To say that they are all clones, only tells me that you must of been on some sort of treadmill there yourself. If you don't get off of that treadmill, then yes, most people riding the subway (in New York) during rush hour to and from work do look like a bunch of clones - except for the ingenious stories that junkies and crackheads devise as they work their way down the train :D

*edit: also from the previous post: "That's the basis of analytical information that many Europeans fail to grasp"

These extremes create all kinds of characters, but most people from a distance won't know because they form their opinions from mainstream and readily accessible media sources (CNN, Faux News, and yes, the BBC).  You will not find these people represented in commercial or mainstream media, which is why many people abroad seem to neglect the fact that they exist. 

But if you did a cursory survey of films, both mainstream and alternative, music, books, and leftist politics, you would find plenty of people and characters who don't fit the mold.  And on the whole, those who do not fit the mold in America tend to be even hardier and more radical than their Western European counterparts, because they break that mold at a much higher price and risk to their continued economic and social security.

And if you tend to befriend people who are considered "marginal" in America, then you should be able to find plenty of friends because up to 50% of the population don't vote, for a variety of reasons.[/color]

Of course this is a gross exaggeration, but you can't deny the overstandardization of the population in the US. And yes, those who break the mold in the US are more radical than Euros, which also make them more interesting.

I don't agree that 50% of the population has this diversity. This diversity does exist but only on a number of marginal places, like big cities etc... The US population remains mainly "provincial" and tend to gather around "common" values to fit into their communities. How many don't support Bush but will vote for him or support him in public to "fit" in the mold with the rest of the crowd ?

However, I do agree with Butterfly that the consumerist culture of America pervades everything, which contributes to a higher degree of standardization than Europe.  But to say that there is no diversity in America, is a ridiculous statement.

Wait a minute, are you saying that there is a bigger diversity of morons in America ? :o

There is diversity in the US, I am not denying this. But that diversity as you explained very well only happens on a micro level. What I am characterizing here is the "broad" standardization of the american population, making the population "docile" by uniting them around mystic "common" values.

But you are right I am also guilty of not trying hard enough to find that diversity. I got so pissed off after a while with all the WalMart Whales, that I just gave up on my curiosity.

No, I can't deny it, and I wouldn't; the overstandardization is what has driven me out of my own country, not once, but numerous times. Everytime I go back I feel like a stranger, and it gets worse the older I get - so no, I'm not going to deny it.

I don't think 50% are consciously subversive, if that's what you mean by diversity. Many of them are poor. Some are subversive by comparison, and the rest are just lazy or apathetic. And maybe 5-1% are like Ted Kazinsky, waiting to be unearthed somewhere :D

And yes, the big city variability is important, especially when it comes to the more visible diversity, such as race, ethncity, and class. But here's the big secret that many people from a distance don't understand about America: most of the biggest eccentrics, objectors, subversives, or "nuts" don't live in big cities, because it's too expensive. In actual fact, the big cities are the biggest purveyors of consumer culture. The real subversives are not there. They live in communes scattered around the country, in Iowa, in the Badlands, in the caves of Hawaii (I know one guy that has been unemployed for 15 years, eats a diet of only fruit, and lives in a cave there; and yes he wears clothing and has friends).

You will never meet these people in a city, nor hear about them on CNN or the BBC. Although, there was one family covered by the BBC, that busked money for a year and built a boat out of trash heap scraps and sailed across the Atlantic with their 3 kids and 2 dogs :o Ok, so THEY were from New York :D

Edit: Butterfly QUOTE: "There is diversity in the US, I am not denying this. But that diversity as you explained very well only happens on a micro level. What I am characterizing here is the "broad" standardization of the american population, making the population "docile" by uniting them around mystic "common" values."

ok, yes. Now I can wholeheartedly agree with this statement. :D

If you two want to talk about a country with little diversity you should check out Thailand..in spite of it having four distince regions there is less diversity by far than in the US by virtually any type of measure you want to use.....I thought that the US was famous for its diversity!!! Most of the Thai people I've met are completely blown away by the diversity of the American population....I can't say that I quite understand why you think the US is lacking in diversity.....it just turns out that there is a whole lot of one kind of attitude there....but there is also alot of diversity.....I think that Butterfly spends too much time at the WalMart.

.....I think that Butterfly spends too much time at the WalMart.

Down in the Sports Section checking out the Kung Foo outfits! :o

Yes, and of varying qualities  :D

However, I do agree with Butterfly that the consumerist culture of America pervades everything, which contributes to a higher degree of standardization than Europe.  But to say that there is no diversity in America, is a ridiculous statement.

To say that they are all clones, only tells me that you must of been on some sort of treadmill there yourself.  If you don't get off of that treadmill, then yes, most people riding the subway (in New York) during rush hour to and from work do look like a bunch of clones - except for the ingenious stories that junkies and crackheads devise as they work their way down the train  :D

*edit:  also from the previous post:  "That's the basis of analytical information that many Europeans fail to grasp"

Kat - if you'd like to see clones - checkout Tokyo when most go to work and then again in the evening. :o

I think that Butterfly spends too much time at the WalMart.

I probably did like most Americans :o

See kat and my replies to her about diversity.

Thailand lack of diversity ? please explain ? I can only imagine what you are trying to say but I don't think you can compare Thailand lack of "diversity" with america "lack of diversity". They are very different people, with very different motivations and cultures.

The thread is 'Afraid of Americans' but it may as well be 'Are You Afraid Of George W, Bush'.

So, in that vein, let's examine his latest fcukups...

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Conjuring up images of bodies falling from the Twin Towers while Bush read a book about a girl to a pet goat, an old and poorly maintained chain link fence collapsed at a Turtle Creek, PA high school football game last weekend, sending hundreds of frightened students tumbling helplessly six feet to the grass. It was a scene eerily reminiscent of New Orleans in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, with many lower income teens left to fend for themselves while their wealthier peers cackled maniacally from plush luxury suites.

Democrats have already dubbed the tragedy "Bush's Hillsborough" and are demanding an immediate congressional investigation, followed by a series of further congressional investigations until Bush is finally found at fault. But if anything, the gruesome events at Turtle Creek are a brutal reminder of the great divide between America's rich and poor, and how Bush's irresponsible policies are deepening that rift. While the wealthiest 1% enjoy their lavish tax cuts, many schools like Turtle Creek will continue to lie in disrepair, and thousands more will suffer unsightly bruises and severe grass stains. As Americans, perhaps we should ask ourselves if we can continue to fund the war in Iraq, rebuild New Orleans, clean up after Turtle Creek, AND selfishly cling to our paychecks while there are so many poor and homeless people on TV.

The time has come for Bush to show that he can be a leader and mend fences as effectively as he can tear them down. Will he finally take responsibility for his crimes, withdraw our troops from Iraq, repeal his tax cuts, legalize marijuana, sanction same-sex marriage, and resign in shame? Or will he try to place the blame on Pennsylvania's governor, as he has everything else? If Bush's cold detachment from the Turtle Creek Massacre is any indication, I hold out little hope for the young people of Pennsylvania - or, for that matter, the world. :o

Thanks to Blame Bush

I can't think of anyone who is afraid of Bush :D

Maybe crying babies ? :o

I think that sometimes people who say that americans are all clones and not so diverse like europe are forgetting that europe is made up of how many different countries...with how many different languages....with how many different histories that go back how far....? The US is only one country with mostly one language....its not really a fair comparison.

And don't get me wrong....the dominant culture in the US sucks even worse than how northern Thailand sucks and we know how it is definitely better to stay in the south........but in the US if you can just ignore the dominant culture there is way way more diversity than anyplace else in the world that I've ever been....You can get anything in New York City and meet people from everywhere in the world....its just the dominant culture that sucks so bad.....the people I know and where I hang when I'm there (probably not very often from now on) are definetly 'diverse' and you'd have a hard time finding anything so diverse anywhere......maybe you guys just need to see the Pacific Northwest (Seattle-Tacoma-Portland and environs).

...the people I know and where I hang when I'm there (probably not very often from now on) are definetly 'diverse'

Why?

Are you on the Al Quida Watchlist? :o

...the people I know and where I hang when I'm there (probably not very often from now on) are definetly 'diverse'

Why?

Are you on the Al Quida Watchlist? :o

:D

Forgot how to spell your favorite ennemy Boon Me ? :D

...the people I know and where I hang when I'm there (probably not very often from now on) are definetly 'diverse'

Why?

Are you on the Al Quida Watchlist? :o

:D

Forgot how to spell your favorite ennemy Boon Me ? :D

That's how us Rednecks spell it! :D

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However, I do agree with Butterfly that the consumerist culture of America pervades everything, which contributes to a higher degree of standardization than Europe.  But to say that there is no diversity in America, is a ridiculous statement.

Wait a minute, are you saying that there is a bigger diversity of morons in America ? :o

There is diversity in the US, I am not denying this. But that diversity as you explained very well only happens on a micro level. What I am characterizing here is the "broad" standardization of the american population, making the population "docile" by uniting them around mystic "common" values.

But you are right I am also guilty of not trying hard enough to find that diversity. I got so pissed off after a while with all the WalMart Whales, that I just gave up on my curiosity.

Did you ever think those "common vlaues" were different people trying to find common ground?

Did you ever think those "common vlaues" were different people trying to find common ground?

You mean like a herd ? yeah that's exactly the problem. What about accepting differences.

I was trying to keep it lite. I want people to answer but I want people to have fun too. Sorry if I upset you. Please add something yourself. Okay? :D

Fair enough... Maybe I misunderstood... in which case I beg forgiveness...

Still can´t be bothered, though. :D (no offence, but like I said in that post before... I just have no interest.

I can't think of anyone who is afraid of Bush    :D

Maybe crying babies ?  :o

I´m afraid to let the guy tie my shoelaces, let alone rule the "free" world.

Tell me why YOU are afraid of Americans.

well i m not afraid of yanks ... 2 hands 2 feet ..same same

i just dont like some yanks (ditto SOME) arrogant and think like they are classier, smarter than other .. (not stereotype 4 sure)

awwww.....some they dont even know the world well ... just pretend to think they know

Anyhow .. plenty yanks are good also

BTW .. why yank try to be a world cop? ( maybe just alnold ..)

ciao ... :o

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