High-End Tourists

[taff33]

As they say "there but for the grace of god",live and let live i say it's thier choice of the way that they live,the only trouble is when you are on the slide there is only one way you go.

[Darrel]

Do you really think that the police and Thai Immigration are unaware of these people?

I dont know. Maybe they have bigger fish to watch for.

It's easy enough to spot a black guy begging in front of the Apex at 1pm: he stands out like a sore thumb. The guy with the plastic bottles should be easy enough to spot also. But a guy bumming cigarettes on Beach Rd at night? Not so easy. Do they catch all the overstayers in town? I dont think so. How many times have I read on here 'I just realised I've overstayed by 5 years"?

The 2nd Rd Cambodian beggars are also illegal aliens, but they seem to be there every day too. Maybe for different reasons.

[Darrel]

As they say "there but for the grace of god",live and let live i say it's thier choice of the way that they live,the only trouble is when you are on the slide there is only one way you go.

Indeed. I was just intrigued by the relatively high numbers.

The only one that actually bothered me was the Irish guy bumming cigarettes, and he was a nuisance.

[Tolley]

. If I were involved with Thai immigration I would deport them very quickly indeed.

Do you really think that the police and Thai Immigration are unaware of these people?

Does begging come under the list of Thai only occupations?

[Darrel]

I'd love to see someone apply for a work permit for it.

[NanLaew]

Can we be sure? It may be a front.

Either way I bet the Cambodian women who usually beg near there were pretty mad.

You could rename this thread "beggar patrol" and inform us on each new candidate.

Incidentally, what do you think about handicapped beggars? Are they a waste of space or should they be allowed to live?

Handicapped beggars.... think about it. They are severely challenged but seem to pop up on a crowded, pedestrian only Walking Street at rush hour. The same way that the armless and/or legless army veteran can pop up on an I-10 overpass in Houston during the rush-hour bumper-to-bumper. Did either of these examples walk or drive to 'work'? There's a whole industry behind begging. The ones that seem to cause the OP most concern sound like non-Union workers!

. If I were involved with Thai immigration I would deport them very quickly indeed.

Do you really think that the police and Thai Immigration are unaware of these people?

There's no revenue stream in harassing and deporting beggars versus harassing and deporting marginal overstayers, those without WP's or other forms of perpetual Tourists.

Having said that and considering the 'real' locally grown beggar, maybe the beggar's Union pays off someone in Pattaya Soi 9.

[londoedan]

Actually I would say its an improvement, at least he wasnt selling drugs.

Nice bit of racial stereotyping there - well done sir.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

Do you really think that the police and Thai Immigration are unaware of these people?

I dont know. Maybe they have bigger fish to watch for.

It's easy enough to spot a black guy begging in front of the Apex at 1pm: he stands out like a sore thumb. The guy with the plastic bottles should be easy enough to spot also. But a guy bumming cigarettes on Beach Rd at night? Not so easy. Do they catch all the overstayers in town? I dont think so. How many times have I read on here 'I just realised I've overstayed by 5 years"?

The 2nd Rd Cambodian beggars are also illegal aliens, but they seem to be there every day too. Maybe for different reasons.

Perhaps someone can take a photo and send it to me via PM. What nationality is he? That is just ridiculous. I've seen the bottle collector. At least he has an income. But this is something new for me.

[Darrel]

Perhaps someone can take a photo and send it to me via PM. What nationality is he?

That was the first and only time I saw him there. Given that he had a rucksack and guidebook, there is reason to suppose that he was only transient.

I walk past there at least 8 times a day, and will keep a lookout for him. Dont think I would care to photograph him though: he was a big guy!

[rgs2001uk]

Actually I would say its an improvement, at least he wasnt selling drugs.

Nice bit of racial stereotyping there - well done sir.

This is Thailand, Land Of The Free, thankfully Euro Socialist PC BS hasnt reached these shores just yet.

If you can speak or read Thai I suggest you watch Thai TV or read a Thai newspaper, ThaiRath is my regular, for a nice bit of racial stereotyping.

If you are unable to speak Thai, take a trip up to Bkk and take a walk round the block, suggest you start on Suk soi 3 and take a wander up to soi 13, pay particular attention to soi 5 just outside Foodland.

Dont take my word for it, try this,

[link removed]

Makes no difference to me black, white, yellow, brown or pink with purple polka dots I despise all drug dealers the same, no need for affirmitve action on my part.

At least Thaksin was doing something about it, the situation has spiralled out of control since his heady days.

Edited June 24, 2011 by metisdead
Please read forum rule 31.

[carmine]

'they only come out at night"

As of today, they dont.

Walked past the Apex on 2nd Road at about 1pm. Squatting outside was a black guy with a smart rucksack, a copy of the Lonely Planet guide to Thailand, and a plastic cup with some coins and a 20B note in it.

He was addressing his attention to passing Thais, holding out his cup and saying "sawatdee kap".

It all goes from bad to worse.

Actually I would say its an improvement, at least he wasnt selling drugs.

Hope you told him his takings may improve if he uses the phrase, kor tang noi.

yes, especially if he adds a "krup" on the end of that phrase.

[anon8]

I walk past there, and will keep a lookout for him. Dont think I would care to photograph him though: he was a big guy!

You are talking about a human, am I right, Darrel? For a moment it seemed like you are describing a wild animal, and you are afraid to even approach it

Maybe we can be little bit more tolerant about others around us? There are many reasons why people are really down on their luck, Darrel. No need to give them one more kick.

[tropo]

If you are unable to speak Thai, take a trip up to Bkk and take a walk round the block, suggest you start on Suk soi 3 and take a wander up to soi 13, pay particular attention to soi 5 just outside Foodland.

Dont take my word for it, try this,

I live in Pattaya and I'm not really interested in taking a trip to Bkk to walk around Suk Sois. Any chance you could just tell us exactly what you're on about. I promise I'll take your word for it.

[Darrel]

You are talking about a human, am I right, Darrel? For a moment it seemed like you are describing a wild animal, and you are afraid to even approach it

Maybe we can be little bit more tolerant about others around us? There are many reasons why people are really down on their luck, Darrel. No need to give them one more kick.

Wake up.

Someone suggested that I should take a photo of a big guy begging on the side of 2nd Rd. I thought that this might be a bad idea, in case he takes objection to being photographed.

No one is kicking anyone.

[Rimmer]

You are talking about a human, am I right, Darrel? For a moment it seemed like you are describing a wild animal, and you are afraid to even approach it

Maybe we can be little bit more tolerant about others around us? There are many reasons why people are really down on their luck, Darrel. No need to give them one more kick.

Wake up.

Someone suggested that I should take a photo of a big guy begging on the side of 2nd Rd. I thought that this might be a bad idea, in case he takes objection to being photographed.

No one is kicking anyone.

That's exactly the way I read it as well, no one wants to get beat up for taking a picture.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

You are talking about a human, am I right, Darrel? For a moment it seemed like you are describing a wild animal, and you are afraid to even approach it

Maybe we can be little bit more tolerant about others around us? There are many reasons why people are really down on their luck, Darrel. No need to give them one more kick.

Wake up.

Someone suggested that I should take a photo of a big guy begging on the side of 2nd Rd. I thought that this might be a bad idea, in case he takes objection to being photographed.

No one is kicking anyone.

That's exactly the way I read it as well, no one wants to get beat up for taking a picture.

I didn't expect them to stand right in front of him. A zoom lens from across the road may have done the trick. Either way, it doesn't sound like someone I know. I wouldn't leave someone that I know in that position.

[rott]

It seems that this thread is bringing out the best in everyone here!

I feel sorry for anyone who is down and out and the lack of compassion shown by some here is more of a reflection on them than anything else.

In fact it is not just those down and outs living on the street that deserve sympathy but a whole bunch of expats in pattaya who live miserable lives hopping from one barstool to another and searching for 99 baht buffet meals. Now that is really sad.

I think the point is that it takes more than a bit of bad luck for somebody to end up as a dosser in Thailand, they have to have made a major contribution to the problem themselves.

You do not become homeless and penniless overnight, there are plenty of opportunities to see how things are going and to stop and do something about it, i.e. go home and sort yourself out before you become a burden on other people.

I have never found hopping from barstool to barstool to be a miserable existence and neither has anybody else of my acquaintance, never been one for the 99 baht buffets though. But people who do enjoy them are using their common sense by living within the means at their disposal so that they do not end up as dossers.

[rgs2001uk]

If you are unable to speak Thai, take a trip up to Bkk and take a walk round the block, suggest you start on Suk soi 3 and take a wander up to soi 13, pay particular attention to soi 5 just outside Foodland.

Dont take my word for it, try this,

I live in Pattaya and I'm not really interested in taking a trip to Bkk to walk around Suk Sois. Any chance you could just tell us exactly what you're on about. I promise I'll take your word for it.

I was replying to poster number 68, he brought the term "racial stereotyping" to the thread not I, I was pointing out to him if he has a problem with "racial stereotyping" he may well be in the wrong country.

The link I (wrongly) posted was a prime example. I then gave an example of where he could go to witness such activities and maybe gain an insight into why such "racial stereotyping" exists.

This is a publc form and there is nothing to stop you reading it, or applying your own connotations to the phrase poster number 68 introduced.

Sometimes the brutal honesty of the Thai press is refreshing, I do of course realise those who dont live here on a regular basis or speak Thai may have issues when it comes to the lack of PC in Thailand.

It is of no conern to me whose word you choose to take, I promise you.

[tropo]

If you are unable to speak Thai, take a trip up to Bkk and take a walk round the block, suggest you start on Suk soi 3 and take a wander up to soi 13, pay particular attention to soi 5 just outside Foodland.

Dont take my word for it, try this,

I live in Pattaya and I'm not really interested in taking a trip to Bkk to walk around Suk Sois. Any chance you could just tell us exactly what you're on about. I promise I'll take your word for it.

I was replying to poster number 68, he brought the term "racial stereotyping" to the thread not I, I was pointing out to him if he has a problem with "racial stereotyping" he may well be in the wrong country.

The link I (wrongly) posted was a prime example. I then gave an example of where he could go to witness such activities and maybe gain an insight into why such "racial stereotyping" exists.

This is a publc form and there is nothing to stop you reading it, or applying your own connotations to the phrase poster number 68 introduced.

Sometimes the brutal honesty of the Thai press is refreshing, I do of course realise those who dont live here on a regular basis or speak Thai may have issues when it comes to the lack of PC in Thailand.

It is of no conern to me whose word you choose to take, I promise you.

I realise you made a reply to another poster but on a forum you're posting to many unless you pm your reply.

I was curious about what I will find in the Suk Soi 3 to Suk Soi 13 area of Bangkok that will allow me to understand what you're on about. I have never wandered around there, so how about helping out people who don't live up there and save us the trip. Is it too much to ask?

Edited June 24, 2011 by tropo

[anon8]

That's exactly the way I read it as well, no one wants to get beat up for taking a picture.

My post was vague and I should clarify.

That man on the street is not lesser beings than you, me or the next guy. Life can be tricky, remember the man who was rotting away and very close to death in Pattaya jail not long ago? He got help because someone helped him. Stuff happens in life, more often than not homeless people have mental problems, they usually do not choose to live on streets. Or just bad luck, who are we to know. But lets not go take pictures of a poor people on the street, like we take pictures of zoo animals.

[Jiu-Jitsu]

That's exactly the way I read it as well, no one wants to get beat up for taking a picture.

My post was vague and I should clarify.

That man on the street is not lesser beings than you, me or the next guy. Life can be tricky, remember the man who was rotting away and very close to death in Pattaya jail not long ago? He got help because someone helped him. Stuff happens in life, more often than not homeless people have mental problems, they usually do not choose to live on streets. Or just bad luck, who are we to know. But lets not go take pictures of a poor people on the street, like we take pictures of zoo animals.

Whilst you sentiment may be well meaning, you are way off the mark. I asked for the picture to be sent via PM. So clearly not for public consumption. I also made it clear that if it was someone whom I knew, I would not allow the situation to continue.