Yingluck: Thaksin Case To Be Reviewed

[DumFarang]

Well that didn't take long. As far as conflict of interest debate, that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more charges levied against Thaskin and anyway all this planning for amnesty is just a cover up for what the real plan is and that is for Thaskin to be Pm again and fill his coffers once more. When you have billions to pay for your hidden adgenda then naturally people will line up to support any hidden adgendas. You will all see that nothing has changed when comes to Thaskin. He could only 100% trust his sister who was voted in with no political experience and so when she speaks she is passing on Thaskins ideology. You will see! Yes I was wrong about the Dems I admit that openely,but i am not wrong about this farce that's being called a democratic elected goverment.

If and when Thaksin comes back he'll be facing a mountain of legal headaches and one could finally land him in jail unless he runs again. Yingluck has the power to have a case reviewed etc., but she can't just make all these accusations disappear with a wave of her hand. Thaksin's proven that he can roll up his sleeves and drop into the trench too, but it sure won't be easy.

[DumFarang]

Well that didn't take long. As far as conflict of interest debate, that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more charges levied against Thaskin and anyway all this planning for amnesty is just a cover up for what the real plan is and that is for Thaskin to be Pm again and fill his coffers once more. When you have billions to pay for your hidden adgenda then naturally people will line up to support any hidden adgendas. You will all see that nothing has changed when comes to Thaskin. He could only 100% trust his sister who was voted in with no political experience and so when she speaks she is passing on Thaskins ideology. You will see! Yes I was wrong about the Dems I admit that openely,but i am not wrong about this farce that's being called a democratic elected goverment.

I think the REAL PLAN is instaling the Shin Dynasty to control the

South West China access to the Sea Ports through Thailand.

Proper train lines from the Chinese manufacturing centers

and to Chonburi, Bangkok and the proposed Indian ocean port at Satun.

These are by fare the easiest most logical routes to BOTH seas.

Not only is this more cash than the oil deals, it also is a never ending source of cash.

It also would cause China to open even more manufacturing in the deep south west,

and open a smaller but lucrative reverse trade to China for Thai products,

and sub-component assembly and food transports.

Thaksin ego aside, this is the 1,300 lb gorilla lurking behind all these clan moves.

Do you have anymore info. on this? I've never heard about it.

[SICHONSTEVE]

but one thing is sure is that Thaksin cannot remain in exile when the majority of the country want him back.

If we assume that all Pheu Thai voters want Thaksin back and that all non-Pheu Thai voters don't want him back, then the statement "the majority of the country want him back" is false because the percentage of the electorate who voted for Pheu Thai is less than 50%.

Indeed.

Let's not also forget that with regards to the comment "Thaksin cannot remain in exile", that nobody is forcing him to remain that way. It's entirely his choice. Always has been. Would take a mere few hours for him to jump on his private jet and fly in.

And head straight to prison to serve his 2 years (handed down to him in his abstentia) and face the numerous other charges filed against him.

On the question of the Thai people wanting him back I think that this has been grossly over exaggerated. He is not so polupar as some are making out. Even some "red shirted poor PT" supporters have scruples and can see that he has been dishonourable to Thailand for his own purpose.

Anyway, we have a new kid in town in his younger sibling Yingluck - I don't think that she is going to be as much "Thaksin's puppet" as suggested as she will soon realise that it was "she" and not khun Thaksin that was voted into office and she has the power now and not him. I also hope that she see's now that Thaksin was using her to improve his own plight and turns the tables on him by staying at the helm as the guiding light.

I am very much a Democrat supporter on account of what Thaksin has done (and is) but hold out the hope that Yingluck will turn out to be different from her brother and implement policies that will benefit the Thai people and not members of the Shinawatra clan. Lets face it she has all the money in the world so why try to garner more through dubious means to the detriment of the country when she patently does not need it. Just think how much satisfying it would be for her if she went down in Thai history as "the lady who transformed Thailand" rather than "the sister who brought her brother back from exile". She acknowledges now that what was first assumed ie: that her voters wanted Thaksin back, no longer stands and she dropped this hot potato rather quickly in her campaigning to turn the tide her way again.

In all truth I am a natural "red shirt" (working class socialist) but despised Thaksin and how he raped Thailand so much that my political sway in my adopted country became anathomer to my true identity on these grounds only. I admired Abhisit iimmensely though and now that he is gone I am willing to revert back to being where I truly belong.......as long as Yingluck sticks to her guns and doesn't let her brother dictate what she does in the politcal arena that is!!!! She has her chance now as Thailand's first female prime minister now so please use it for the good of the nation and not for a "get out of jail card" for her parasitic brother.

[wolfmanjack]

This really is too funny. Politicians the world over are the same. Say what ever you want before the election, and then once in office do exactly what you want to do. Which in this case is bring Thaksin back here and absolve him of any charges. Only two days to get this ball rolling? Wow..... What's next ? Take the same lunatic red shirt leaders that wanted to burn down Bangkok, and put them into important political positions ?? As Yingluck does not appear to be the sharpest pencil in the box, I suspect all major decisions are going to be made through the puppet master himself. Sort of sad really, as I really like living here in Thailand, but I fear that the dark ages are about to come upon us. And to the Thai apologists, I will really try to not let the door hit my ass on the way out.... :-)

Why is it when a bright, successful, conservative woman, like Yingluck enters the political arena she is attacked as "not the sharpest..." What do you point to to substantiate your claim? Yingluck was educated formally in Thailand and the United States. She is a very successful business woman and had been involved in politics for years. If it's a liberal democrat woman then she's brilliant but a conservative must be and idiot your thinking seems to be.

She does have a track record of actually making money. Most stupid people can't lay claim to that.

How about some details? I hope you do not bring up her family created positions. What money has she made that was not gift wrapped for her?

[philw]

Well that didn't take long. As far as conflict of interest debate, that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more charges levied against Thaskin and anyway all this planning for amnesty is just a cover up for what the real plan is and that is for Thaskin to be Pm again and fill his coffers once more. When you have billions to pay for your hidden adgenda then naturally people will line up to support any hidden adgendas. You will all see that nothing has changed when comes to Thaskin. He could only 100% trust his sister who was voted in with no political experience and so when she speaks she is passing on Thaskins ideology. You will see! Yes I was wrong about the Dems I admit that openely,but i am not wrong about this farce that's being called a democratic elected goverment.

I think the REAL PLAN is instaling the Shin Dynasty to control the

South West China access to the Sea Ports through Thailand.

Proper train lines from the Chinese manufacturing centers

and to Chonburi, Bangkok and the proposed Indian ocean port at Satun.

These are by fare the easiest most logical routes to BOTH seas.

Not only is this more cash than the oil deals, it also is a never ending source of cash.

It also would cause China to open even more manufacturing in the deep south west,

and open a smaller but lucrative reverse trade to China for Thai products,

and sub-component assembly and food transports.

Thaksin ego aside, this is the 1,300 lb gorilla lurking behind all these clan moves.

At last, you have said something I can agree with.

Your idea above is a real possibility and could generate huge permanent growth, change and benefit to all adjoining countries and peoples.

It's great concept and Thailand should be a winning part of it.

[ivowatson]

Don't agree. Put ALL of them in jail. Then there can be reconciliation.

Writing "possible" really shows your true colors.

Enough already.. politicians, and political clans ALWAYS come back in Thailand.

Everyone knows it's going to happen, let's call amnesty for the Airport idiots, the Ratchaprasong idiots, the army generals who sent in war weapons, and Thaksin, who's actual 'conviction' on a conflict-of-interest charge is so minor you'd almost smile about it. (Looking at what past PM's got away with; if you jail Thaksin for that then you need to jail absolutely everyone with the possible exception of Chuan.)

Done.

[DumFarang]

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<br><br>She does have a track record of actually making money. Most stupid people can't lay claim to that.<br><br><img src="http://static.thaivisa.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/whistling.gif"><br>

<br><br>How about some details? I hope you do not bring up her family created positions. What money has she made that was not gift wrapped for her?<br>

<br><br>She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Edited July 7, 2011 by DumFarang

[ballpoint]

She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Well that didn't take long. As far as conflict of interest debate, that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more charges levied against Thaskin and anyway all this planning for amnesty is just a cover up for what the real plan is and that is for Thaskin to be Pm again and fill his coffers once more. When you have billions to pay for your hidden adgenda then naturally people will line up to support any hidden adgendas. You will all see that nothing has changed when comes to Thaskin. He could only 100% trust his sister who was voted in with no political experience and so when she speaks she is passing on Thaskins ideology. You will see! Yes I was wrong about the Dems I admit that openely,but i am not wrong about this farce that's being called a democratic elected goverment.

I think the REAL PLAN is instaling the Shin Dynasty to control the

South West China access to the Sea Ports through Thailand.

Proper train lines from the Chinese manufacturing centers

and to Chonburi, Bangkok and the proposed Indian ocean port at Satun.

These are by fare the easiest most logical routes to BOTH seas.

Not only is this more cash than the oil deals, it also is a never ending source of cash.

It also would cause China to open even more manufacturing in the deep south west,

and open a smaller but lucrative reverse trade to China for Thai products,

and sub-component assembly and food transports.

Thaksin ego aside, this is the 1,300 lb gorilla lurking behind all these clan moves.

At last, you have said something I can agree with.

Your idea above is a real possibility and could generate huge permanent growth, change and benefit to all adjoining countries and peoples.

It's great concept and Thailand should be a winning part of it.

Don't you just think that this was being considered by Abhisit and is not the sole idea or property of Thaksin!!

It's called progress through exploiting your national resources and interests - nothing new in this world!!

Another thing, this won't happen just to expand Thaksin's empire and business interests - those days are gone forever although they remain in certain individuals fantasy thinking, believing they are clever in spotting these potential unravelling scenarios that will turn out to be non-events for the reasons given by you.

They will, or even should happen if it is of mutual benefit to those countries concerned, in order to expand trade, logistical reasons and ease and expedition of movement of people and goods (primarily) - not for the reasons purported by "you" - aspiring teen detectives that you yearn to be!!!

[DumFarang]

She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

[ballpoint]

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

Maybe she was smart for sitting there drawing a salary for doing nothing, or maybe she was stupid for not actually doing anything useful? We're told that, although she has no political experience, she does have experience at running a multi million dollar business. All I'm doing is pointing out that you can take the fact that someone has a flash title, and sits in a job for a number of years without bringing any perceived value to the company, either way. Especially if said job was gained through nepotism.

[rixalex]

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

I don't think anyone is saying she is stupid. Just that her education history is ok, but not exactly dazzling, and her employment history has entirely been at her brother's companies, which makes judging the job she did at those places difficult because of the issue of nepotism.

Perhaps had she returned from her studies in America and refused the offer of jumping up the corporate ladder that her brother was offering, to instead make her own way, on her own skills and merits, we might have a better grasp of who she is and what her capabilities are.

[SICHONSTEVE]

She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

Pure and simple!!

Let time be the judge of this as all will be revealed when the going gets tough and after the honeymoon period has ended and nuptials begun.

I think that a big part of whether she is judged as being clever or stupid will be down to her approach with "the Thaksin dilemma" get this wrong and all hell will break loose!!! Conversely, everything in the garden will be ros(e)y if she tackles this thorny problem and twigs what to do for the best. This budding politician will bloom and she will have treemendous success if she can weed out the "dead wood" from her government and keep the pests (red shirts) away to allow her garden to flourish!!

[DumFarang]

She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

Pure and simple!!

Let time be the judge of this as all will be revealed when the going gets tough and after the honeymoon period has ended and nuptials begun.

I think that a big part of whether she is judged as being clever or stupid will be down to her approach with "the Thaksin dilemma" get this wrong and all hell will break loose!!! Conversely, everything in the garden will be ros(e)y if she tackles this thorny problem and twigs what to do for the best. This budding politician will bloom and she will have treemendous success if she can weed out the "dead wood" from her government and keep the pests (red shirts) away to allow her garden to flourish!!

That's pretty much exactly the short and sweet of it isn't it Mr. Sichon? Time will tell.

This actually reminds me a lot of when everyone claimed Bush Jr. was stupid. I just had to laugh. What a great way to underestimate somebody so that all they have to do is prove his or herself not to be stupid in order to gain respect. He's not exactly the most brilliant U.S. president in history, and believe me I'm no fan of him or his family but come on--a stupid president, honestly? Just like Yingluck he had to go through the long grind on the campaign trail, constantly eyed, reporters always around, and many speeches to give. If a person is actually dumb, I mean really dumb, they'll never make it through all that without becoming a laughing stock, not to mention the debates where some people actually felt he won a couple vs. Al Gore whose intelligence hasn't ever been questioned to my knowledge.

You want to talk about a case where a high level of attention catches a moron in the act of trying to appear smart look no further than Sarah Palin. She is not smart, and she proves time and again almost every time she tweets or gets caught on camera. Stupidity can run, but it can't hide.

[djlest]

Thailand is controlled by the majority

The majority are uneducated working class brainwashed Thai soap fanatics living in huts (no insult intended - just honest observation)

why did PTP win - because when they in power they thow a few baht notes into Isarn and these simple folk are so easy to manipulate they think the PTP are the kindest, noble, caring party on the planet.

The poor people of Thailand are just as self interested as the PTP, they dont care about economy or education or anything the elites would, because it doesnt affect them at all...

The poor working class only care about now and what they get NOW - we have all met them around NANA - we know the stories,,,

... Hence a couple of baht is all they need to think they are being looked after by the ever compassionate Sinawatras...or that Jai Dee farang!

So.....

The Democrats messed up completely and utterly by not giving the poor anything - if they had thrown a few million baht around Isarn - today could be a completely different story.They are so easy to manipulate - it doesnt take much - we all know that..

But the fact is the Dems just didnt do enough while they were in power,

and now we have no one but them to blame for this repetition of Toxic Thailand.

I wish the Dems were back in power because at least they had the brains and the insight of what Thailand needs, and not just the farmers...

But lets face it... the poor people have a good and valid point - The Dems didnt give them anything - so why should they vote for them...

In a land where everyone only cares about numero uno... lets face it...

It will remain a 3rd world country and the poor will always be poor and the rich will always get richer - by brainwashing the poor...

[DumFarang]

Thailand is controlled by the majority

The majority are uneducated working class brainwashed Thai soap fanatics living in huts (no insult intended - just honest observation)

why did PTP win - because when they in power they thow a few baht notes into Isarn and these simple folk are so easy to manipulate they think the PTP are the kindest, noble, caring party on the planet.

The poor people of Thailand are just as self interested as the PTP, they dont care about economy or education or anything the elites would, because it doesnt affect them at all...

The poor working class only care about now and what they get NOW - we have all met them around NANA - we know the stories,,,

... Hence a couple of baht is all they need to think they are being looked after by the ever compassionate Sinawatras...or that Jai Dee farang!

So.....

The Democrats messed up completely and utterly by not giving the poor anything - if they had thrown a few million baht around Isarn - today could be a completely different story.They are so easy to manipulate - it doesnt take much - we all know that..

But the fact is the Dems just didnt do enough while they were in power,

and now we have no one but them to blame for this repetition of Toxic Thailand.

I wish the Dems were back in power because at least they had the brains and the insight of what Thailand needs, and not just the farmers...

But lets face it... the poor people have a good and valid point - The Dems didnt give them anything - so why should they vote for them...

In a land where everyone only cares about numero uno... lets face it...

It will remain a 3rd world country and the poor will always be poor and the rich will always get richer - by brainwashing the poor...

And they forget so quickly who showed up to help when so much of Thailand was flooded. The Bangkok riots were still fresh in people's minds then, and who's there helping when people are in real trouble, when they've lost their homes?

[SICHONSTEVE]

Pure and simple!!

Let time be the judge of this as all will be revealed when the going gets tough and after the honeymoon period has ended and nuptials begun.

I think that a big part of whether she is judged as being clever or stupid will be down to her approach with "the Thaksin dilemma" get this wrong and all hell will break loose!!! Conversely, everything in the garden will be ros(e)y if she tackles this thorny problem and twigs what to do for the best. This budding politician will bloom and she will have treemendous success if she can weed out the "dead wood" from her government and keep the pests (red shirts) away to allow her garden to flourish!!

That's pretty much exactly the short and sweet of it isn't it Mr. Sichon? Time will tell.

This actually reminds me a lot of when everyone claimed Bush Jr. was stupid. I just had to laugh. What a great way to underestimate somebody so that all they have to do is prove his or herself not to be stupid in order to gain respect. He's not exactly the most brilliant U.S. president in history, and believe me I'm no fan of him or his family but come on--a stupid president, honestly? Just like Yingluck he had to go through the long grind on the campaign trail, constantly eyed, reporters always around, and many speeches to give. If a person is actually dumb, I mean really dumb, they'll never make it through all that without becoming a laughing stock, not to mention the debates where some people actually felt he won a couple vs. Al Gore whose intelligence hasn't ever been questioned to my knowledge.

You want to talk about a case where a high level of attention catches a moron in the act of trying to appear smart look no further than Sarah Palin. She is not smart, and she proves time and again almost every time she tweets or gets caught on camera. Stupidity can run, but it can't hide.

A very interesting piece (not so dumfarang) - you are very right to introduce the American angle on how politicians are perceived as this exemplifies the fact that if Yingluck plays her cards right she will find it relatively easy to conquer her critics, and overturn their thinking of her regards her ability and competency in the job.

She was parachuted in by Thaksin with the sole purpose of getting Pheu Thai elected to smooth the way for his return and she achieved that largely through her personality and personna. I think that she was welcomed initially as Thaksin's younger sister but ended up being an endearing friend that actually seemed to care about them and their plight with her infectious smiles and genuine love for her followers. She seemed humbled by it all which is not the actions or response of someone intent on "exploiting her subjects" for self purpose and she seemed to assume a different attitude as to why she was there with her REAL mission set out in front her and with so many reliant on her being their saviour (much to the consternation of "big brother" no doubt)!!! It seems to have sobered her up a bit to her new found responsibility and I am kind of happy now that she rose to the occasion and took to it like a "duck-to-water' when she must have been pretty apprehensive initially you would have to assume, as it all happened so swiftly and was a big task (and ask) for someone with naff all political experience behind her.

I sense that you are of the same opinion as me on this 'smartfarang' as you seem to have gone into defence mode for Yingluck whereas you are clearly just as vehemently opposed to Thaksin as I am.

This brings us back to where we started and as I say - time will tell - now down to you Yingluck, don't let those who put their faith in you down as it is not the end of the world if Thaksin fails to get his own way for once!!!! Just be your own (wo)man and you might go a long way very quickly.

You are right about that (I can't think of the words to describe her) crazy, I suppose "tea lady" Palin!!!! She is unbelievable and if the Republicans were ever to elect her as their leader then it will be a shoe-in for the Democrats at the next election. She is just zany and (I was going to say clueless) but she has her followers so I guess she must make sense to certain mentalities!!

Anyway, just thinking about her has stifled my flow so I'll end here (numbed into submission).

[letitbe]

She hasn't had anything other than family positions, even her political career counts under that umbrella essentially. But, under her watch nothing was run into the ground. The same can't be said for someone like say...George Bush Jr. who was born with a lot of the same kinds of privileges, actually, and failed time and again, especially in business. If the basis of your belief is that she was born into a wealthy family that had work ready for her, and she didn't have to put her nose to the grindstone; so she must not be very smart then you must live in a convenient little world with lots of clear answers for everything.

Does she have the political chops for the game she has entered? Doubtful.

Is she smart enough to figure out ways over, under, or around her obstacles? Who knows.

Is it very likely that she's not smart and is doomed based on her IQ alone? No, that seems doubtful at this juncture.

Maybe because she didn't actually do anything? After all, when Temasek took over the running of AIS they didn't even bother replacing her. When she left SC Asset, she, with all her 'experience" was replaced by a fresh college graduate. (who happens to have that one vital qualification for advancement in a publically listed company, she's a Shinawatra). The evidence would suggest that she wasn't very important for the running of either company.

...and therefore she's stupid? That's what this thread started out as, a claim that she's not smart. I've seen no evidence to prove she's mentally inferior.

Pure and simple!!

Let time be the judge of this as all will be revealed when the going gets tough and after the honeymoon period has ended and nuptials begun.

I think that a big part of whether she is judged as being clever or stupid will be down to her approach with "the Thaksin dilemma" get this wrong and all hell will break loose!!! Conversely, everything in the garden will be ros(e)y if she tackles this thorny problem and twigs what to do for the best. This budding politician will bloom and she will have treemendous success if she can weed out the "dead wood" from her government and keep the pests (red shirts) away to allow her garden to flourish!!

chances of that zero best laugh ive had or probably will have until taksin and her supporters here see it all going wrong for poor reds and country but of course very right for her clan

[DumFarang]

Curtains.

[animatic]

Well that didn't take long. As far as conflict of interest debate, that is just the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot more charges levied against Thaskin and anyway all this planning for amnesty is just a cover up for what the real plan is and that is for Thaskin to be Pm again and fill his coffers once more. When you have billions to pay for your hidden adgenda then naturally people will line up to support any hidden adgendas. You will all see that nothing has changed when comes to Thaskin. He could only 100% trust his sister who was voted in with no political experience and so when she speaks she is passing on Thaskins ideology. You will see! Yes I was wrong about the Dems I admit that openely,but i am not wrong about this farce that's being called a democratic elected goverment.

I think the REAL PLAN is instaling the Shin Dynasty to control the

South West China access to the Sea Ports through Thailand.

Proper train lines from the Chinese manufacturing centers

and to Chonburi, Bangkok and the proposed Indian ocean port at Satun.

These are by fare the easiest most logical routes to BOTH seas.

Not only is this more cash than the oil deals, it also is a never ending source of cash.

It also would cause China to open even more manufacturing in the deep south west,

and open a smaller but lucrative reverse trade to China for Thai products,

and sub-component assembly and food transports.

Thaksin ego aside, this is the 1,300 lb gorilla lurking behind all these clan moves.

Do you have anymore info. on this? I've never heard about it.

Well look at the placement of China and Thailand to the Bay of Siam and Andaman Sea/ Bay of Bengal.

http://www.chinatravel.com/Thailand/maps/

The mountains lock out several routes, such as through Nepal to India directly,

but following along or parallel to the Mekong south brings you to Laos,

and they just finished one of the new Laos bridges toThailand.

A new road bed and modern tracks with conforming widths will attach Chonburi port,

Bangkok port, quickly to Kunming and Chengdu and other large cities not shown on this map,

and the proposed Saturn Malaysia border deep water port would open the Bay of Bengal.

For China it opens up a completely different fork to send produce beside the

Nanning / Zhanjiang route that is fairly fully used now.

Plus more output from Chengdu, Chongqing, Xi'an and Lanzhou.

And also create a manufacturing corridor from Bangkok to Satun along the tracks,

no doubts Thaksins clan would love to get the factory workers on the PTP side in the futre,

and hammer the Dems in their own territory.

[animatic]

Thailand is controlled by the majority

The majority are uneducated working class brainwashed Thai soap fanatics living in huts (no insult intended - just honest observation)

why did PTP win - because when they in power they thow a few baht notes into Isarn and these simple folk are so easy to manipulate they think the PTP are the kindest, noble, caring party on the planet.

The poor people of Thailand are just as self interested as the PTP, they dont care about economy or education or anything the elites would, because it doesnt affect them at all...

The poor working class only care about now and what they get NOW - we have all met them around NANA - we know the stories,,,

... Hence a couple of baht is all they need to think they are being looked after by the ever compassionate Sinawatras...or that Jai Dee farang!

So.....

The Democrats messed up completely and utterly by not giving the poor anything - if they had thrown a few million baht around Isarn - today could be a completely different story.They are so easy to manipulate - it doesnt take much - we all know that..

But the fact is the Dems just didnt do enough while they were in power,

and now we have no one but them to blame for this repetition of Toxic Thailand.

I wish the Dems were back in power because at least they had the brains and the insight of what Thailand needs, and not just the farmers...

But lets face it... the poor people have a good and valid point - The Dems didnt give them anything - so why should they vote for them...

In a land where everyone only cares about numero uno... lets face it...

It will remain a 3rd world country and the poor will always be poor and the rich will always get richer - by brainwashing the poor...

And they forget so quickly who showed up to help when so much of Thailand was flooded. The Bangkok riots were still fresh in people's minds then, and who's there helping when people are in real trouble, when they've lost their homes?

My personal experience with Thaksin and floods is,

he will punish the ares that didn't vote TRT(PTP now) by denying them emergency funds, until the international press gets ahold of the story and suddenly he is the great helping hand. No reason, from past experience to assume reconciliation will extend to actually helping people that didn't vote PTP.

Edited July 7, 2011 by animatic

[maidu]

I've been visiting, and later residing in Thailand for a quarter century. I have a pretty good handle on how Thais think. Ms Yingluck knows what she wants in regards to letting her brother off the hook and enabling him to get his hands on the confiscated billions. She won't say so directly, as that would be an un-Asian thing to do. Instead, she will continue to hedge, and duck the issue, and mince words. When enough time has gone by (in her and her bro's estimation) they will go ahead and try to implement their plan. It won't be now. But as sure as butter melts on a hot grill, it will be implemented within a year from now.

BTW, all this amnesty talk has a side effect which no one in gov't is mentioning: It belittles the laws of the land. Plus it renders useless all the thousands of hours of investigative and judicial work that's been devoted to trying to prosecute law breakers. Offering amnesty effectively says to all the investigators, the law enforcement, law-makers, and judicial professionals "OK, your efforts amount to nothing. We're letting everyone off the hook because we want Thaksin to get a big chunk of money back." Sorry suckers.

Edited July 7, 2011 by maidu

[hellodolly]

Haven't read any thing

I just took it for granted that he would be back with out having to answer up for any of his crimes.

That was a given. what is there to talk about?

[timinphuket]

And let the Games Begin....

CS

The games begin but I have no idea how it will be played...

[Chris Lawrence]

Of course if the AEC was stacked with Thaksin partisans it would have found nothing wrong.That is the point, they could not have impartial people,because they don't exist.

I like this attempted line of thought :

"Once the panel constructed the charges, they may not have given a judge a way to handle the verdict in a impartial way; that is the verdict was always going to be one of guilty as charged."

Exactly how can they force a judge to follow their logic?

Constructed the charges sounds like you imply built from free air or totally fabricated. Why would Thaksins lawyers stall the case if there was nothing to worry about?

The judge is not limited to ONLY their data. They can input from any and all sources the prosecutors decide to present,and Thaksins legal team had every opportunity to present exculpatory documentation. In fact Thaksins legal team attempted to swamp the4 AEC and the Prosecutors with useless information to plow through to waste their time and slow prosecution

Next point, yes the initially froze the assets years ago, it filed it's data and recommendation with the legal system, and then dissolved YEARS AGO.

So how can the AEC be blamed for his assets STILL being frozen in 2010?

It can't be, because the legals system AFTER the AEC did their job agreed that there was probably cause, and kept it frozen, and this was proved out by later conviction and confiscation of the cash.

The AEC was a follow on of another committee that Thaksin had tried to co-opt while in office.

Considering Yingluk is part of the Shinawatra clan this money was taken from, because their attempts to hide it from taxes failed miserably, how can there NOT be a huge conflict of interest in Yingluck directing a re-investigation using Thaksin partisans as the investigators.

The land case was the only one Thaksin showed up to acknowledge in court, the other cases, all more serious, are still alive and awaiting his next court appearance. Which is why he wants amnesty so badly. Even if the actions happened prior to the AEC, he's going to try and say they were political when filed and so deserve amnesty. It's his only line of defense.

What are the other charges Mr T is awaiting?

When a tribunal is formed they are given powers to investigate and in those powers is the parameters in which their investigations can look at; that is they cannot go outside the scope of their investigations. Can you show what their brief was? What I do remember of the verdict was how quick it came, which in a complex case is a bit unusual.

Animatic, you seem to have a lot to say but I don't hear you saying too much. The land case against Mr T's wife fell over due to the case being out of time? So I am not sure what land case you are on about? What are the other cases awaiting Mr T?

[whybother]

...

Animatic, you seem to have a lot to say but I don't hear you saying too much. The land case against Mr T's wife fell over due to the case being out of time? So I am not sure what land case you are on about? What are the other cases awaiting Mr T?

Google "Ratchada land case" and you will find enough information showing that the case didn't fall over, and that Thaksin was sentenced to 2 years jail because of it.

[animatic]

...

Animatic, you seem to have a lot to say but I don't hear you saying too much. The land case against Mr T's wife fell over due to the case being out of time? So I am not sure what land case you are on about? What are the other cases awaiting Mr T?

Google "Ratchada land case" and you will find enough information showing that the case didn't fall over, and that Thaksin was sentenced to 2 years jail because of it.

Exactly. She was found to have broken no law,

but he did by being the politician doing a deal with a government entity,

by signing to ALLOW for her deal, which is conflict of interest,

she was not a politician and so had no conflict of interest.

Of course she WAS found guilty, along with her secratary and brother. in another case already, and is currently out on bail pending appeal.

Case: Tax avoidance in transferring Shinawat Computer Inc. Communications involving Khun Ying Pojaman Shinawat –Bannaphot Damaphong Case number : 1149/2550 commenced 26 March 2007

Updates:

Thursday 31 July 2008

The Criminal Court found Pojaman Shinawatra guilty of intentionally avoiding a tax payment of Bt546 million for the transfer of 4.5 million shares of the Shinawatra Computer and Communications’ shares worth Bt738 million. Also found guilty in the historic trial are Pojaman’s brother Bannaphot Damapong and her personal secretary Kanchana Honghern.

The court sentenced Pojaman and Bannaphot each to 3 years in jail.

The court also reprimanded her that her high position in society and politics meant she should have been a role model.

However, Pojamarn was given bail upon her appeal, for just 5 million baht.

Status:

Found Guilty and During Appeal

I'll grant you this quote is from PAD site,

but it reflects accurately the facts.

Edited July 8, 2011 by animatic

[animatic]

BANGKOK | Tue May 25, 2010 2:13pm EDT (Reuters) - A Thai court issued orders on Tuesday to arrest former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra on terrorism charges in connection with riots over the past two months that were the worst in the country's modern history.

http://www.reuters.c...E64C0L620100525

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Below synopsi from http://www.asiafines...howtopic=217937

Case relating to AIS and its reduction of payments by treating networks separately for payment purposes to TOT. Loss of 18,970,579,711 baht during the term of the concession. This gain enabled rise in Shin Corp before its sale.

Background:

The lawsuit alleges that Thaksin violated the law by holding state concessions through his stock-ownership concealment in Shin Corp while he was prime minister. It also says that Thaksin gained unusual wealth in Shin Corp by having state agencies convert the telecom concessions to excise tax to benefit Shin Corp. TOT and CAT Telecom, who awarded the concessions to the subsidiaries of Shin, stood to lose 41.95 billion baht and 25.99 billion baht respectively from the conversion of the concessions.

Updates:

11 July 2008

Thailand's Attorney General's Office filed the charges in the Thai Supreme Court today over changes made in 2003 to a payments system for state-owned enterprises that pocketed the Thaksin's family-owned Shin Corp's AIS mobile telecom company.

Status:

Case Accepted

Case regarding the 2/3 number lottery project by the The Government Lottery Office. 32 political office holders and 16 officials.

Background:

The Assets Examination Committee (ASC) accused the Thaksin's cabinet of breaking the Government Lottery Office Act when launching a new lottery project in 2003, and also said that lawmakers from ruling parties were siphoning money from the lottery

Updates:

28 July 2008

The Thai Supreme Court accepted a lawsuit against Thaksin and his cabinet alleging abuse of power and malfeasance in a 2003 lottery scheme.

26 September 2008:

The Thai Supreme Court issued the arrest warrant and suspended the case against Thaksin.

Other 46 defendants (Thaksin's cabinet) all denied the charges.

Status:

Trial Underway

Case involving Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives and rubber plantations project. Loss to the state of 1, 400 million baht Case involves 44 people including Newin Chidchop, former Deputy Minister of Agriculture. Various accused are being asked to pay compensation of 1,109 million baht.

Background:

The lawsuit was filed by the Assets Examination Committee (AEC) after the Office of the Attorney General (OAG) refused to indict the accused on the grounds that the evidence was incomplete.

Updates:

6 August 2008

The Thai Supreme Court accepted a lawsuit against 44 people in Thaksin's cabinet including Newin Chidchob (former deputy agriculture minister) and Somkid Jatusripitak (former finance officer) alleged irregularities relating to the procurement of 90 million baht rubber saplings worth 1.4 billion baht during the previous Thaksin administration.

The court allowed the National Counter Corruption Commission to act on behalf of the AEC as plaintiff in the case.

23 September 2008

The trial opened with former key ministers of Thaksin administration attending the hearing including former deputy prime minister and finance minister Somkid Jatusripitak, former deputy finance minister Varathep Ratanakorn, former deputy minister of agriculture and cooperatives Newin Chidchob, former agriculture minister Sorra-at Klinprathum, and former commerce minister Adisai Photaramik.

Status:

Trial Underway

Cases now handled by the National Counter Corruption Commission

- Projects regarding electrical cable laying at Suwannaphum airport involving former Minister of Transport Suriya Jungrungreangkit and a top official in the Ministry of Transport

- Case involving baggage systems and CTX 9000 scanners at S.Airport involving 26 politicians, civil servants, officials of state enterprises, juristic persons, and entrepreneurs. Loss to the state estimated at 6, 937 million baht.

- Case involving "loan irregularities loan irregularities extended to the Krisda Mahanakorn Group" by the Krung Thai group. The case involves Thaksin, his son Panthongtae and 31 (former) board members of Krung Thai Bank.

- Five cases that allege the former prime minister Thaksin used his position to benefit his own businesses, causing loss to state assets.

- Case on the order to convert mobile phone operator concessions to an excise tax, leading to a loss of the Telephone organization of Thailand of 30,667 million baht.

- Case regarding reducing revenue share paid to TST ทศท from prepaid mobile services from 25 to 20% leading to a state loss of 70, 872 million baht.

- Various breaks given by the Board of Investment for IPSTAR satellite projects within Thailand.

- Case regarding Treasury officials in tax negotiations regarding the sale of Shin Corp.

- Case alleging malfeasance in a special mode bidding for security services at Suvarnabhumi international airport against Thaksin Shinawattra

- Case alleging malfeasance in the graft in relation to duty-free shops at Suvarnabhumi international airport and provincial airports as well as a commercial development project at Suvarnabhumi airport terminals against Suriya Jungrungreangkit (former transport minister)

- Case alleging malfeasance in bidding for construction of four-lane roads financed by Japan Bank for International Cooperation against former Highway Department chief, Srisuk Chantharangsu

- Case regarding Sky Train Airport link with losses to the state of 1, 200 million baht.

- Three Cases regarding Ua Athon housing project that involves builders, officials (3.2.1/3.2.2/3.2.3 )

A case involving the Ministry of Agriculture and Cooperatives and its dealings with private companies worth 300 million baht.

- The case involving the Bangkok Metropolitan Authority's purchase of fire trucks involving a loss to the state of 1, 900 million baht.

- The cause of unusual wealth in Thaksin's purchase of Manchester City [/quote]

Edited July 8, 2011 by animatic

[LindsayBKK]

Future headline for Bangkok Post:

"Thaksin returns to Thailand and sells Thailand to Singapore". (Tax free of course)

And where is CNN & BBC now? Nowhere because Thaksin is not paying them anymore. Thaksin goes to Hong Kong 10July'11 to select his Cabinet!

som'nam'na

Edited July 8, 2011 by LindsayBKK

[scorecard]

I've been visiting, and later residing in Thailand for a quarter century. I have a pretty good handle on how Thais think. Ms Yingluck knows what she wants in regards to letting her brother off the hook and enabling him to get his hands on the confiscated billions. She won't say so directly, as that would be an un-Asian thing to do. Instead, she will continue to hedge, and duck the issue, and mince words. When enough time has gone by (in her and her bro's estimation) they will go ahead and try to implement their plan. It won't be now. But as sure as butter melts on a hot grill, it will be implemented within a year from now.

BTW, all this amnesty talk has a side effect which no one in gov't is mentioning: It belittles the laws of the land. Plus it renders useless all the thousands of hours of investigative and judicial work that's been devoted to trying to prosecute law breakers. Offering amnesty effectively says to all the investigators, the law enforcement, law-makers, and judicial professionals "OK, your efforts amount to nothing. We're letting everyone off the hook because we want Thaksin to get a big chunk of money back." Sorry suckers.

Well said. In regard to your last paragraph here's another important point - precedent - which carries a lot of weight when prosecutors, judges etc., have to make decisions.

Amnesty for thaksin and all the others tangled up with the last few years (regardless of color etc.) would create a precedent which is highly highly undesireable.

In the future when a lawyer / barrister brings up this precedent as a defense / as a strong factor in pushing for the decision the lawyer / barriser is aiming for, then the prosecutors, judges, courts etc, will have no choice but to 'respect' the precedent.

If it doesn't work this way, (if precedent is not repected) then judicial process is a total and complete farce, and we are all one step closer to a lawless country.

Highly highly undesirable.