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Biden Blasts Rice

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I'm not particularly fond of the Democrats (given their incompetence at politics over the last 6 years), however I must admit it was a peculiar pleasure to watch Biden lecturing Rice (who looked like she had swallowed a lemon, as opposed to her normal look of bucktoothed smugness) on the BBC last night in his role as ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

It was a pleasure to hear a U.S. politician finally articulate what so many of us have known for so long in a publicly broadcast venue: that the Iraqi adventure has no plan. When the RANKING DEMOCRAT of the TOP CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, presumably privy to any level of intelligence information available, announces in public that he is not aware of any plan for improvement or exit from the Iraqi boondoggle, the people must take note. Finally, a man to whom "just trust us" is not acceptable as an answer.

Article here, but it's worth searching for the video if you can find it (the look on Rice's face and her involuntary gulping really is priceless):

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/19/...ain955470.shtml

Unfortunately, this article does not print most of the biting, angry questions posed to her from Biden and other committee members, both Republicans and Democrats. Can anyone find video on this? I really, really loved it when Biden lectured her (the head of the State Department, of all things!) on how our international image *actually does matter*.

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I'm not particularly fond of the Democrats (given their incompetence at politics over the last 6 years), however I must admit it was a peculiar pleasure to watch Biden lecturing Rice (who looked like she had swallowed a lemon, as opposed to her normal look of bucktoothed smugness) on the BBC last night in his role as ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

It was a pleasure to hear a U.S. politician finally articulate what so many of us have known for so long in a publicly broadcast venue:  that the Iraqi adventure has no plan.  When the RANKING DEMOCRAT of the TOP CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, presumably privy to any level of intelligence information available, announces in public that he is not aware of any plan for improvement or exit from the Iraqi boondoggle, the people must take note.  Finally, a man to whom "just trust us" is not acceptable as an answer.

Article here, but it's worth searching for the video if you can find it (the look on Rice's face and her involuntary gulping really is priceless):

[wrong article, just a moment and I'll post the right url]

Biden has presidential ambitions, so dare say he'll say anything to pacify the anti-war critics. :o

I'm not particularly fond of the Democrats (given their incompetence at politics over the last 6 years), however I must admit it was a peculiar pleasure to watch Biden lecturing Rice (who looked like she had swallowed a lemon, as opposed to her normal look of bucktoothed smugness) on the BBC last night in his role as ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

It was a pleasure to hear a U.S. politician finally articulate what so many of us have known for so long in a publicly broadcast venue:  that the Iraqi adventure has no plan.  When the RANKING DEMOCRAT of the TOP CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, presumably privy to any level of intelligence information available, announces in public that he is not aware of any plan for improvement or exit from the Iraqi boondoggle, the people must take note.  Finally, a man to whom "just trust us" is not acceptable as an answer.

Article here, but it's worth searching for the video if you can find it (the look on Rice's face and her involuntary gulping really is priceless):

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/19/...ain955470.shtml

Unfortunately, this article does not print most of the biting, angry questions posed to her from Biden and other committee members, both Republicans and Democrats.  Can anyone find video on this?  I really, really loved it when Biden lectured her (the head of the State Department, of all things!) on how our international image *actually does matter*.

"Steven"

Isn't this too late ? I think the system has failed long ago. I am not sure it can be fixed. Democrats are as much responsible as the Bush admin over this "little" mistake (Kerry voted for the war in Iraq). I think it's over. Those guys are jumping on this administration because Bush and friends have lost ALL their credibility and political CAPITAL (if there ever was one to begin with). They are dogs jumping on the remains of other dogs. I say too late. The Bush admin is so isolated, even from their own party it now seems, I can't see how these "remontrance" are relevant. Where were they when we needed them ???

When the RANKING DEMOCRAT of the TOP CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE, presumably privy to any level of intelligence information available, announces in public that he is not aware of any plan for improvement or exit from the Iraqi boondoggle, the people must take note.

Biden has presidential ambitions, so dare say he'll say anything to pacify the anti-war critics. :o

Sorry but you're both way way off the mark. Biden is only a slightly smaller joke on Capitol Hill than Fat Teddy from Mass.

Biden gets up there and pontificates on C-Span because that is all that is left of his political life, and quest for glory and power.

He has absolutely zero chance at winning any other election than for retaining his incumbency. The closest he came was what, 3 or 4 elections ago, and his campaign withered like a stiff pecker suddenly immersed into ice water when all the skeletons started jumping out of his closet.

The people that have the real power on Capitol Hill are the people who control the purse-strings, the feed in the trough, the pork-barrel, whatever you want to call it.

All the rest are just wanna-be's, like Biden, like Shumer, like the ice queen carpet-bagger, and all the others.

If Biden had half the intellligence, background training and integrity of Ms. Rice, then perhaps in his once bright political future may have had a different ending. But he is just a flunky windbag, controlled by the real power-brokers.

I tend to agree with Spee, the speech I heard him give was windbaggery and grandstanding.

He read his bit, then Rice just auto-cued her pre-written reply back.

The only one to have skewered Washington recently was the redoubtable George Galloway.

The people that have the real power on Capitol Hill are the people who control the purse-strings, the feed in the trough, the pork-barrel, whatever you want to call it.

"IT" has a name- Karl Rove.... :o

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I certainly appreciate Biden blasting rice. I have always hated rice, especially the white variety, ever since by brother told me it was actually little maggots.

It seems to me that Hillary and Connie have a similarity in that Republicans really dislike one and Democrats really dislike the other...and both in a sort of gut level sort of way...doe anyone else see this?...maybe I'm wrong.

It seems to me that Hillary and Connie have a similarity in that Republicans really dislike one and Democrats really dislike the other...and both in a sort of gut level sort of way...doe anyone else see this?...maybe I'm wrong.

'Bout as wrong as a KKK outfit at an NAACP convention.

The only thing that Ms. Clinton has in common with Ms. Rice is that they are both female.

I don't get the feeling that Democrats dislike Rice for anything more than her affiliation to GWB.

She's an intelligent person, knows more about NFL than most Commissioners and is pretty much self-made.

The visceral anti-Hillary thing is predicated on a completely different level.

I don't get the feeling that Democrats dislike Rice for anything more than her affiliation to GWB.

Sorry but I beg to differ. Ms. Rice has been groomed for a top spot in the Republican political machine for two decades, far longer than Bush-2 has been in office. Other than her intelligence, experience and other qualifications, Ms. Rice represents a threat to the Democrat machine because she is everything that they claim to represent and be proponents of. The difference is whereas the Democrats posture and pontificate about being the proponents about women's rights, advancement of women and minorities, etc., the Republican (especially the current administration) actually put it into practice. This is effectively a punch to the solar plexus of the Democrat political platform.

The visceral anti-Hillary thing is predicated on a completely different level.

And rightly so. The American people have already had 8 years of seeing what a cold, cruel, calculating, lying, socialist/elitist, two-faced scumbag that Ms. Clinton truly is. The thought of her back in the White House sends chills up the spine of a lot of people on the right and the left.

Frankly what the Democrats need to consider, is whether or not she would even last a full term in office. She has so much dirt under her nails and so many skeletons in her closet, that she may be more of a political liability than the true power brokers and deal-makers can stand. To make matters worse, she has very few friends on Capitol Hill. Were she to be elected, and the Republicans to retain contol of the House and Senate, then she might be a lame duck starting with her first day in office.

Yes I see what you mean!

The black female candidate...and she's 'one of them' - it must be terribly frustrating to the Democrats.

I certainly appreciate Biden blasting rice. I have always hated rice, especially the white variety, ever since by brother told me it was actually little maggots.

You've been watching too much of "The Lost Boys" :o

I don't get the feeling that Democrats dislike Rice for anything more than her affiliation to GWB.

Sorry but I beg to differ. Ms. Rice has been groomed for a top spot in the Republican political machine for two decades, far longer than Bush-2 has been in office. Other than her intelligence, experience and other qualifications, Ms. Rice represents a threat to the Democrat machine because she is everything that they claim to represent and be proponents of. The difference is whereas the Democrats posture and pontificate about being the proponents about women's rights, advancement of women and minorities, etc., the Republican (especially the current administration) actually put it into practice. This is effectively a punch to the solar plexus of the Democrat political platform.

The visceral anti-Hillary thing is predicated on a completely different level.

And rightly so. The American people have already had 8 years of seeing what a cold, cruel, calculating, lying, socialist/elitist, two-faced scumbag that Ms. Clinton truly is. The thought of her back in the White House sends chills up the spine of a lot of people on the right and the left.

Frankly what the Democrats need to consider, is whether or not she would even last a full term in office. She has so much dirt under her nails and so many skeletons in her closet, that she may be more of a political liability than the true power brokers and deal-makers can stand. To make matters worse, she has very few friends on Capitol Hill. Were she to be elected, and the Republicans to retain contol of the House and Senate, then she might be a lame duck starting with her first day in office.

Not wanting to go too far off topic, could you briefly mention some of the skeletons and fingernail dirt....I'm not asking for a detailed explanation or anything...just wondering what you see these things to be....I know almost nothing about her and have no feelings about her abilities one way or the other. Its interesting to see what she's doing....pretty unusual scenerio has gotten her where she is today.

Not wanting to go too far off topic, could you briefly mention some of the skeletons and fingernail dirt....I'm not asking for a detailed explanation or anything...just wondering what you see these things to be....

Internet provides wonderful access to mass media and other research tools. Her background is fairly common knowledge. I'm sure you can find your own answers more quickly that I could type them.

Not wanting to go too far off topic, could you briefly mention some of the skeletons and fingernail dirt....I'm not asking for a detailed explanation or anything...just wondering what you see these things to be....

Internet provides wonderful access to mass media and other research tools. Her background is fairly common knowledge. I'm sure you can find your own answers more quickly that I could type them.

I take this to mean that there really isn't anything very much you can concretely say against her but that you really really dislike her so you make these negative statements about her hoping that someone will agree with you and probably don't even think that someone might actually ask you to cough up the evidence. I'm not trying to flame here....but this is what I think of in a situation like this regardless of who it is or what their beliefs are...I'm probably wrong....doesn't seem like it would be too hard to type "White Water was a real estate scam she was involved with." I've heard of that one and it seems like it was resolved more or less and that politically this issue is going nowhere and hardly by itself would constitute skeletons in closets or dirt under fingernails.

Caustic and rubs people the wrong way - old Hillary. Hmmm sounds almost like Maggie. :o

I take this to mean that there really isn't anything very much you can concretely say against her

She is the Lesbian, and there are reports that she has had a sex change.

Not that there is anything wrong with either of those, but Americans are very sensitive and PC.

I take this to mean that there really isn't anything very much you can concretely say against her but that you really really dislike her so you make these negative statements about her hoping that someone will agree with you and probably don't even think that someone might actually ask you to cough up the evidence.  I'm not trying to flame here....

I said what I said because I was almost certain you were trolling. Your response proves me right.

I'm probably wrong....doesn't seem like it would be too hard to type "White Water was a real estate scam she was involved with."

Whitewater is the tip of the iceberg, small potatoes, whatever you want to call it, in the Clinton's background.

If you don't believe this, then you are either to lazy to do your own research, don't have the common sense to separate media BS from fact and fiction, or have already convinced yourself that everything Ms. Clinton touches is golden.

And just to pre-empt, this isn't a Bush v. Clinton thing. The Bush dynasty has just as many or more skeletons. In fact the relationship between the Clintons and the Bushes goes back farther than people care to admit, before any of them resided in the White House.

They both have plenty of dirt under their nails. For example, you don't think there is reason or intent behind having two Bush sons as governors of the states with the largest southern borders?

Truth be told, I don't care for Ms. Clinton because she can never be trusted to do what she says she will do. She is an east coast liberal elitist, who believes in the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. She believes in socialism for purposes of control, while she and other elitists bask in the trappings of wealth and power.

She used marriage as a means of convient access to power, influence, wealth and fame. Sure a lot of other people do that, but not a lot of other people do that for purposes of wanting to run the country.

I take this to mean that there really isn't anything very much you can concretely say against her but that you really really dislike her so you make these negative statements about her hoping that someone will agree with you and probably don't even think that someone might actually ask you to cough up the evidence.  I'm not trying to flame here....

I said what I said because I was almost certain you were trolling. Your response proves me right.

I'm probably wrong....doesn't seem like it would be too hard to type "White Water was a real estate scam she was involved with."

Whitewater is the tip of the iceberg, small potatoes, whatever you want to call it, in the Clinton's background.

If you don't believe this, then you are either to lazy to do your own research, don't have the common sense to separate media BS from fact and fiction, or have already convinced yourself that everything Ms. Clinton touches is golden.

And just to pre-empt, this isn't a Bush v. Clinton thing. The Bush dynasty has just as many or more skeletons. In fact the relationship between the Clintons and the Bushes goes back farther than people care to admit, before any of them resided in the White House.

They both have plenty of dirt under their nails. For example, you don't think there is reason or intent behind having two Bush sons as governors of the states with the largest southern borders?

Truth be told, I don't care for Ms. Clinton because she can never be trusted to do what she says she will do. She is an east coast liberal elitist, who believes in the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. She believes in socialism for purposes of control, while she and other elitists bask in the trappings of wealth and power.

She used marriage as a means of convient access to power, influence, wealth and fame. Sure a lot of other people do that, but not a lot of other people do that for purposes of wanting to run the country.

I repeat....I have no real opinion about Hilary Clinton....I know almost nothing about her. I repeat....I have no real opinion about Hilary Clinton....I know almost nothing about her. I repeat....I have no real opinion about Hilary Clinton....I know almost nothing about her.

I do this because it seems you missed it when I posted it before so I thought I'd make it REALLY OBVIOUS THAT I HAVE NO REAL OPINION OF HER. I DON'T THINK THAT EVERYTHING SHE TOUCHES TURNS TO GOLD. Sorry for the shout but jeez, do you even read what I have to say?

You posted, "Truth be told, I don't care for Ms. Clinton because she can never be trusted to do what she says she will do. " Can you give me examples of this?....examples of her not doing what she says she will do?...I mean in a way that is not typical of ALL politicians?

I would love to see Hilary as the new Commander in Chief. She has the right idea at the right place. The pair is an economic dream team, and having Bill Clinton back to the WH would drive crazy the Republicans for the next decade :o

I take this to mean that there really isn't anything very much you can concretely say against her but that you really really dislike her so you make these negative statements about her hoping that someone will agree with you and probably don't even think that someone might actually ask you to cough up the evidence.  I'm not trying to flame here....

I said what I said because I was almost certain you were trolling. Your response proves me right.

I'm probably wrong....doesn't seem like it would be too hard to type "White Water was a real estate scam she was involved with."

Whitewater is the tip of the iceberg, small potatoes, whatever you want to call it, in the Clinton's background.

If you don't believe this, then you are either to lazy to do your own research, don't have the common sense to separate media BS from fact and fiction, or have already convinced yourself that everything Ms. Clinton touches is golden.

And just to pre-empt, this isn't a Bush v. Clinton thing. The Bush dynasty has just as many or more skeletons. In fact the relationship between the Clintons and the Bushes goes back farther than people care to admit, before any of them resided in the White House.

They both have plenty of dirt under their nails. For example, you don't think there is reason or intent behind having two Bush sons as governors of the states with the largest southern borders?

Truth be told, I don't care for Ms. Clinton because she can never be trusted to do what she says she will do. She is an east coast liberal elitist, who believes in the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality. She believes in socialism for purposes of control, while she and other elitists bask in the trappings of wealth and power.

She used marriage as a means of convient access to power, influence, wealth and fame. Sure a lot of other people do that, but not a lot of other people do that for purposes of wanting to run the country.

Sorry Spee, but you really ARE backfiring and not listening to what chownah was saying. He is asking for something concrete about Mrs. Clinton, all you present is your deep mistrust based on her place of upbringing and political platform, and that she married a person with a similar political conviction to herself.

So where is the smoking gun?

It seems to me (and I know as little as chownah about this, perhaps even less) that the actual reasons you (aptly) stated about why Democrats are scared of Condie Rice (her influential position in combination with her being of the opposite sex (in Rice's case, her skin colour comes into play as well, of course) and being of an opposite political conviction, are just as true for your perceptions of Hilary.

If I am wrong, please clarify what you mean.

So where is the smoking gun?

One of many was found lying next to what was left of Vince Foster's head.

So where is the smoking gun?

You use the phrase smoking gun in the singular, as if she may have only done one thing wrong.

The fact is that like her husband, Ms. Clinton has nearly a 30 year history of flaunting the law, violating oaths, rules, charters, ...... you name it, .... in pursuit of her "do as I say not as I do" way of life.

Here is but one example, documented by no less than 3 different people, that goes back to the seventies, long before anyone knew who or what the heck she was:

From Gary Aldrich's "Unlimited Access" (pg. 229, 1998 edition)

"Mrs. Clinton was appointed by President Jimmy Carter to be the director of the Legal Services Corporation (LSC) in 1978. The GAO determined that under Mrs. Clinton's direction, the LSC gave illegal grants and performed illegal acts to support political causes with taxpayer dollars in violation of her oath as a government employee."

From R. Emmett Tyrrell's "Boy Clinton" (pg. 210)

"In 1979 with her husband in the Governor's Mansion she became chairman of the board of the Legal Services Corporation, a favorite liberal mask, which engaged in so many radical and illegal machinations that the Comptroller General of the United States censured it for contravening its own by-law."

Barbara Olson, in "hel_l TO PAY" devotes several pages to LSC, including (pg. 130)

"Indeed, the GAO said that the LSC 'has itself engaged and allowed its grant recipients to engage in lobbying activities prohibited by federal law...'"

and (pg. 131) "...she had spearheaded a deliberate, national plot to undermine the political process with millions of dollars worth of staff work and the diversion of taxpayer money into political campaigns."

As I said earlier, these things are just the tip of the iceberg with the ice queen. There is tons more evidence, such as numerous constitutional and civil rights violations in the FBI/"file-gate" scandal, illegal use of public funds and personal staff and other resources (e.g, aircraft, files, etc.) in support of her 2000 senate campaign, illegal misappropriations of funds and federal staff in support of her miserably-failed attempt to implement a socialized health care system, etc. The list is practically endless. Most of what she has ever been involved in, is either clearly communistic, socialistic, illegal, or in some other way contrary to legal oaths, charters, ethical practices .... whatever.

The woman is a rotten egg, a bad apple, a criminal, a sociopathic liar, whatever other underworld adjective one would want to use.

So where is the smoking gun?

Here is a sworn affadavit by someone who was right in the middle of another Hill-Bill Clinton obstruction of justice scheme, and suffered the consequences of political retribution after going public.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38b743675371.htm

More details:

http://www.aim.org/media_monitor_print/3156_0_2_0

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The economy's going down the tubes and there're indictments mooted against some of the highest posts in the land, and some of you freaks are still masturbating over rumours from the Clinton era (when the economy was good and we weren't in an unnecessary war). Pathetic.

there're indictments mooted against some of the highest posts in the land,

who's the rumor monger now????

and some of you freaks are still masturbating over rumours from the Clinton era

If you don't like the response or don't want to be involved in the dicussion, then don't. There's no need to resort to infantile name-calling. On to the ignore list you go.

I would love to see Hilary as the new Commander in Chief. She has the right idea at the right place. The pair is an economic dream team, and having Bill Clinton back to the WH would drive crazy the Republicans for the next decade  :D

Luckily this nightmare won't come true. :o

Thank you Spee. The above is exactly what I was looking for.

So, if she has truly been using public funds illegally as alleged, I definitely see what you are getting at. Abuse of trust in office is no good.

As for her socialist activities, well, they don't bother me. She's hardly out to make the US a communist state, more likely just wants to change its path into something less unforgivingly neo-con, even out the income gaps, improve public health care and provide better chances of social advancement for the poorest layers. Might just do the trick, in fact.

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