Red-Shirt Leader Suphon 'Isan Rambo' Calls For Peace

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Red-shirt Leader Calls for Peace

A red-shirt leader has called for reconciliation from all sides, saying he is willing to be a middle man to bring peace to the nation.

Red-shirt leader Suphon Attawong, alias Isan Rambo, has urged all 'colors' to live in harmony and abandon political polarization for the sake of the country.

Suphon asserted that all Thais have been suffering from chaos and upheaval for years, so the leaders of all sides should push their egos aside and forgive their rivals.

He also called on the media to be positive in broadcasting content and abstain from instigation.

Suphon added that he's willing to be a middle man to negotiate with both yellow-shirt leader Sonthi Limthongkul and Bhumjaithai de facto leader Newin Chidchob, to bring about reconciliation.

-- Tan Network 2011-07-12

[lannarebirth]

Suporn Attawong, 46, is nicknamed "Rambo of Isaan" for his hard-core activist stance and because he comes from the northeast rural Isaan area, spiritual home to the Red Shirts.

He used to be an MP for northeast Nakhon Ratchasima province.

Suporn led a group of Reds to the interior ministry last April as Abhisit was about to declare a state of emergency and later attacked the prime minister's car as he left.

[whybother]

[noahvail]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

[lannarebirth]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

There's a much bigger agenda playing out here than appears in the day to day press.

[noahvail]

There's a much bigger agenda playing out here than appears in the day to day press.

Indeed there is. We live here during interesting times.

[rubl]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Makes you wonder if k. Thaksin's latest interview has been broadcasted up North(-East):

""It is not necessary that those who were guilty be punished. What is important to the national reconciliation is simply to find out who did wrong and that they accepted the mistakes. I believe Thai society is ready to forgive," he said."

[473geo]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Edited July 12, 2011 by 473geo

[noahvail]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Let's face it, we post on an ex-pat forum, whose main purpose is not to reach the Thai people; it's simply a place for discussion of news and events in Thailand.

What I'm talking about is the THAI red shirt radio stations that broadcast to the THAI people. And they are well known for their prevarications on that commodity known as the truth, and for fomenting terrorism. The red shirt radio stations support Khun Thaksin and the PTP. Since they support K Thaksin and the PTP, both of whom have called for "reconciliation" since day one, should they not be first in line to offer their hands in the spirit of reconciliation? Yes? Then why aren't they? No? Then, why not?

Don't try to deflect the purpose of the post - respond to it, don't try to hijack it. Thank you.

[scorecard]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Part quote: "...I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum".

Why should there be? Nothing has changed...

[473geo]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Let's face it, we post on an ex-pat forum, whose main purpose is not to reach the Thai people; it's simply a place for discussion of news and events in Thailand.

What I'm talking about is the THAI red shirt radio stations that broadcast to the THAI people. And they are well known for their prevarications on that commodity known as the truth, and for fomenting terrorism. The red shirt radio stations support Khun Thaksin and the PTP. Since they support K Thaksin and the PTP, both of whom have called for "reconciliation" since day one, should they not be first in line to offer their hands in the spirit of reconciliation? Yes? Then why aren't they? No? Then, why not?

Don't try to deflect the purpose of the post - respond to it, don't try to hijack it. Thank you.

I see the guy did not single out any particular media in his call for positive broadcast..........so he is on the right track then and should be applauded.......so in the Tvisa media perhaps you could listen to him and be a bit more positive, if not,why not?

Edited July 12, 2011 by 473geo

[473geo]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Part quote: "...I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum".

Why should there be? Nothing has changed...

True....makes one wonder why you bother.....

[noahvail]

Well, the election's over, the time for reconciliation is here. So why are the red shirt radio stations in Issan still spewing venom against Abhisit and the Democrats? They're still saying Abhisit killed people, that he's responsible for the increased price in gas and pork, that he is personally responsible for all the ills in Thailand. And still saying that Thaksin gave them the old age pension, free health care, and so on, taking credit for the Democrats' policies.

And the people here believe it - hook, line, and sinker.

Time for reconciliation - wouldn't it be nice if the people calling for reconciliation stopped the lies and start with true reconciliation?

Well maybe the place to start is to educate all the people who believe Thaksin is personally responsible, cuts both ways, I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum.

Let's face it, we post on an ex-pat forum, whose main purpose is not to reach the Thai people; it's simply a place for discussion of news and events in Thailand.

What I'm talking about is the THAI red shirt radio stations that broadcast to the THAI people. And they are well known for their prevarications on that commodity known as the truth, and for fomenting terrorism. The red shirt radio stations support Khun Thaksin and the PTP. Since they support K Thaksin and the PTP, both of whom have called for "reconciliation" since day one, should they not be first in line to offer their hands in the spirit of reconciliation? Yes? Then why aren't they? No? Then, why not?

Don't try to deflect the purpose of the post - respond to it, don't try to hijack it. Thank you.

I see the guy did not single out any particular media in his call for positive broadcast..........so he is on the right track then and should be applauded.......so in the Tvisa media perhaps you could listen to him and be a bit more positive, if not,why not?

Well, once again you haven't answered my question. But I will have the decency to address your post directly. Your point is well taken, he did not single out any branch of the media. Therefore, we can hope that all branches of the media will be more positive. Oh wait - would you rather have positive, or truthful? I prefer the truth.

And the red shirt stations are not broadcasting the truth. But, in the spirit of reconciliation, I'll give it a few days and see if they heed his call to be more positive - and stop broadcasting lies. After all, they're the worst offenders of all the media in Thailand.

[473geo]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

[lannarebirth]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

I hope you're right but as this thread is absurd in the extreme I don't think it hurts to highlight who wants to mediate this "reconciliation".

[noahvail]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

A few months to stop the redshirt broadcasts? Why? There are calls for reconciliation from Thaksin, Yingluck, and any number of red shirt and PTP leaders. Why shouldn't the worst offenders be the first - why shouldn't the ones calling for reconciliation actually DO something about it?

Could it be that they can't retract their numerous lies because of losing face?

Oh well... earlier in this thread, you stated " I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum." It seems you want the so-called "Thaksin Haters" to shut up long before the red shirt liars. I call double standards on you.

[473geo]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

I hope you're right but as this thread is absurd in the extreme I don't think it hurts to highlight who wants to mediate this "reconciliation".

Oh I like it .......do you hold many pictures in the 'Red Mob' file, in order to update us on the people who are prepared to instigate reconciliation

Historically I think you will find that reconciliation is more complete if the minority violent factions are included for complete closure.

[lannarebirth]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

I hope you're right but as this thread is absurd in the extreme I don't think it hurts to highlight who wants to mediate this "reconciliation".

Oh I like it .......do you hold many pictures in the 'Red Mob' file, in order to update us on the people who are prepared to instigate reconciliation

Historically I think you will find that reconciliation is more complete if the minority violent factions are included for complete closure.

Reconciliation is more complete when all parties can agree that justice has been done. The current plan is to insure that no party shall receive justice, least of all the long suffering citizens of Thailand.

[473geo]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

A few months to stop the redshirt broadcasts? Why? There are calls for reconciliation from Thaksin, Yingluck, and any number of red shirt and PTP leaders. Why shouldn't the worst offenders be the first - why shouldn't the ones calling for reconciliation actually DO something about it?

Could it be that they can't retract their numerous lies because of losing face?

Oh well... earlier in this thread, you stated " I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum." It seems you want the so-called "Thaksin Haters" to shut up long before the red shirt liars. I call double standards on you.

I call 'you must stop before we do' rather childish and the crux of many a problem with reconciliation......I thought educated Tvisa members were above that......perhaps they are....just the others can't quite grasp the importance of realising one side has to be brave enough to step down. This guy has taken that on board and is making an effort. Wouldn't hurt for many others to follow his example.

[ramrod711]

Suporn Attawong, 46, is nicknamed "Rambo of Isaan" for his hard-core activist stance and because he comes from the northeast rural Isaan area, spiritual home to the Red Shirts.

He used to be an MP for northeast Nakhon Ratchasima province.

Suporn led a group of Reds to the interior ministry last April as Abhisit was about to declare a state of emergency and later attacked the prime minister's car as he left.

I believe that he is sincere in his wish for peace, even if he has to burn Bangkok to the ground to get it.

[rubl]

Oh I like it .......do you hold many pictures in the 'Red Mob' file, in order to update us on the people who are prepared to instigate reconciliation

Historically I think you will find that reconciliation is more complete if the minority violent factions are included for complete closure.

The historical suggestion is interesting, reminds me of the fun we had during the 'reign of terror' and the solution 'Thermidorian Reaction' in which several leaders of the Reign of Terror were executed, including Saint-Just and Robespierre.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reign_of_Terror

PS in my innocence I thought all here had an archive of photo's, cartoons and video clips, just for the occasion. Funnily enough lots of red-shirts, seems they just liked to be caught on any media for posterity to see. See if you can get some PTV broadcasts, play at full-blast sound level for the right effect

[473geo]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

I hope you're right but as this thread is absurd in the extreme I don't think it hurts to highlight who wants to mediate this "reconciliation".

Oh I like it .......do you hold many pictures in the 'Red Mob' file, in order to update us on the people who are prepared to instigate reconciliation

Historically I think you will find that reconciliation is more complete if the minority violent factions are included for complete closure.

Reconciliation is more complete when all parties can agree that justice has been done. The current plan is to insure that no party shall receive justice, least of all the long suffering citizens of Thailand.

I think the long suffering people of Thailand have made it quite clear that they are fed up with the political infighting

[whybother]

I call 'you must stop before we do' rather childish and the crux of many a problem with reconciliation......I thought educated Tvisa members were above that......perhaps they are....just the others can't quite grasp the importance of realising one side has to be brave enough to step down. This guy has taken that on board and is making an effort. Wouldn't hurt for many others to follow his example.

"We want reconciliation, but you have to start."

[lannarebirth]

I hope you're right but as this thread is absurd in the extreme I don't think it hurts to highlight who wants to mediate this "reconciliation".

Oh I like it .......do you hold many pictures in the 'Red Mob' file, in order to update us on the people who are prepared to instigate reconciliation

Historically I think you will find that reconciliation is more complete if the minority violent factions are included for complete closure.

Reconciliation is more complete when all parties can agree that justice has been done. The current plan is to insure that no party shall receive justice, least of all the long suffering citizens of Thailand.

I think the long suffering people of Thailand have made it quite clear that they are fed up with the political infighting

Then perhaps democracy is not a form of government well suited to these people. Democracy is rife with ongoing political infighting, but it must be not outside the rule of law. I guess that's where their Red Education camps let them down.

[473geo]

Then perhaps democracy is not a form of government well suited to these people. Democracy is rife with ongoing political infighting, but it must be not outside the rule of law. I guess that's where their Red Education camps let them down.

Perhaps the true form of democracy has to evolve in an unauthadox way that suits the country, but that appears too much for many outsiders to comprehend

Edit unorthadox spelling

Edited July 12, 2011 by 473geo

[noahvail]

I think a more realistic timescale to stop the broadcasts maybe a few months, as the views of the broadcasters are probably deeply entrenched.

If there is a genuine attempt by the people of Thailand to adopt reconciliation we should be grasping the opportunity and encouraging, not going around trying to highlight 'the worst offender'

A few months to stop the redshirt broadcasts? Why? There are calls for reconciliation from Thaksin, Yingluck, and any number of red shirt and PTP leaders. Why shouldn't the worst offenders be the first - why shouldn't the ones calling for reconciliation actually DO something about it?

Could it be that they can't retract their numerous lies because of losing face?

Oh well... earlier in this thread, you stated " I don't see much let up from the self admitted Thaksin Haters on the forum." It seems you want the so-called "Thaksin Haters" to shut up long before the red shirt liars. I call double standards on you.

I call 'you must stop before we do' rather childish and the crux of many a problem with reconciliation......I thought educated Tvisa members were above that......perhaps they are....just the others can't quite grasp the importance of realising one side has to be brave enough to step down. This guy has taken that on board and is making an effort. Wouldn't hurt for many others to follow his example.

You have missed the point of my post once again. I'm not saying you must stop before we do - you said that about me. Again, you attempt to hijack the meaning of my posts - so perhaps you did get the point, and choose to prevaricate. Whatever.

My point is that Abhisit and the Democrats are not shouting at the Thai people that Thaksin is no good (like the red radio says about Abhisit); Abhisit and the Democrats are not shouting at the Thai people that Thaksin is a murderer (like the red radio says about Abhisit); and many, many other examples. [And yes, the broadcasters DO shout - it gets old sometimes, hearing the radio from across the street lol.] The red radio stations are still fomenting rebellion, NOT reconciliation. If you cannot or will not see that, I feel sorry for you.

Your attempt to sway me to letting the red shirt radio stations have a few months to change their tune fails.

Now - how about you go back and look at my posts, answer my questions, and stop hijacking?

Thank you.

[hammered]

Havent got a lot of time for this guy and his antics, but he is talking sensibly here.

[lannarebirth]

Then perhaps democracy is not a form of government well suited to these people. Democracy is rife with ongoing political infighting, but it must be not outside the rule of law. I guess that's where their Red Education camps let them down.

Perhaps the true form of democracy has to evolve in an unorthadox way that suits the country, but that appears too much for many outsiders to comprehend

Perhaps you should pay more attention to the larger regional issues playing out. That Thailand remains a country is by no means a given.

[whybother]

Havent got a lot of time for this guy and his antics, but he is talking sensibly here.

First time for everything.

Edit: I don't think many are complaining about what he saying. More that they are finding it less than believable coming from him.

Edited July 12, 2011 by whybother

[rubl]

Then perhaps democracy is not a form of government well suited to these people. Democracy is rife with ongoing political infighting, but it must be not outside the rule of law. I guess that's where their Red Education camps let them down.

Perhaps the true form of democracy has to evolve in an unauthadox way that suits the country, but that appears too much for many outsiders to comprehend

Edit unorthadox spelling

Something you call 'perhaps' may indeed be difficult for many outsiders to comprehend

PS my copy of the COD is laying next to my PC, unorthodox is probably what you meant