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Morality

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I'm with the "Do unto others..." brigade. Which can be pretty tough here - Phuket - with so many selfish, 'me first', types - both farang and Thai. But, sod 'em all, I won't change.

Not even your avatar?

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I guess I believe in the golden rule as well... but I never manage to properly apply it evenly and without bias.

I'm with the "Do unto others..." brigade. Which can be pretty tough here - Phuket - with so many selfish, 'me first', types - both farang and Thai. But, sod 'em all, I won't change.

Not even your avatar?

My avatar has no morals. :o

Does anyone use the method of asking the question, "What would the world be like if everyone did this?", as a test for an actions moral attribute.

I still read a suspicion in your replies.

The intention of this thread is not to make comparisons - no more than you would compare a rose with a tulip.

It is to, hopefully, get some indication of how members decide what is right and what is wrong. What are their values?

Not for the sake of some morbid curiosity, but to gain some practical help in solving life's little problems.

Not the least of which, on a personal level, is how to convey, in a manner he will accept and remember, values and methods of making judgements, to my six year old son.

Given that I have vowed never to say, "because I say so".

:o Really? You're asking this question with the intention of seeing everyones answers in hopes of finding a suitable method in which to impart on your own son? I'm surprised that you would want to ask all of us to be honest. I can completely respect the fact that you don't want to be an "I told you so" kind of parent and for that I applaud you. Guess it can't hurt to see what other people say but you are the first parent I have ever heard that wants to take other peoples concept of morality into consideration. Usually parents just pass down what it is they have been taught and believe and thats the end of it. Your open-mindedness towards our views is quite surprising coming from you Thomas. People can't usually surprise me but you just did.

If this is for the impending upbringing of your firstborn could you do us all a favour and enroll in a basic ethics/morality philosophy course, surely your university connections will give you somewhere to start..and go from there.

What you hope to gain from asking us lot I have no idea..we're not the most moral group of internet users.

Ah, I just remembered I am on Tommy's ignore list so my request will fall on deaf ears.

All I am asking is how do you decide what is right and wrong?

What is your yardstick?

My yardstick is that anything that causes suffering to another being (excluding myself), is wrong. Everything else is acceptabe, if not neccessarily right.

If it is a matter of causing suffering no matter what you do, I try to minimise the suffering.

Simple, and it works for me.

If this is for the impending upbringing of your firstborn could you do us all a favour and enroll in a basic ethics/morality philosophy course, surely your university connections will give you somewhere to start..and go from there.

What you hope to gain from asking us lot I have no idea..we're not the most moral group of internet users.

Ah, I just remembered I am on Tommy's ignore list so my request will fall on deaf ears.

Off topic: If a tree in a forest falls on a deaf ear does it make a sound?

It makes sound waves so there is hope someone may aknowledge it. :o

It makes sound waves so there is hope someone may aknowledge it.  :o

If there's no ears, or other listening devices, they're just shockwaves with no sound.

cv

It won't be funny anymore, but old chownah was trying to joke there I believe.

If a tree 'falls on a deaf ear'....

It is very graphic and quite funny.

It won't be funny anymore, but old chownah was trying to joke there I believe.

If a tree 'falls on a deaf ear'....

It is very graphic and quite funny.

I probably should have read it then, it was clever. I started at Augie's post :o

cv

But what do you use?

I heard once that Colin Powell was asked about people that he respected and admired. One of the people he mentioned was MLK, for which the follow-up question was how could a career warrior respect and admire a pacifist? Powell responded by saying something like, I view people by their own standards not by my own. Ever since I read that, I've tried (albeit unsuccessfully at times) to take a similar stance.

I am not sure I understand exactly what the implications are of this stance.

Do you mean that if a person lives as he/she learns, it is good, even if he/she has chosen differently than yourself, or something else?

Sorry for the delay, I just came back to this thread. I'm short on time so I'm looking for the quickest way to explain it.

I think it is to be pragmatic rather than judgmental, to let another's actions speak for themselves rather than rely upon some preconceived notion.

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I still read a suspicion in your replies.

The intention of this thread is not to make comparisons - no more than you would compare a rose with a tulip.

It is to, hopefully, get some indication of how members decide what is right and what is wrong. What are their values?

Not for the sake of some morbid curiosity, but to gain some practical help in solving life's little problems.

Not the least of which, on a personal level, is how to convey, in a manner he will accept and remember, values and methods of making judgements, to my six year old son.

Given that I have vowed never to say, "because I say so".

:o Really? You're asking this question with the intention of seeing everyones answers in hopes of finding a suitable method in which to impart on your own son? I'm surprised that you would want to ask all of us to be honest. I can completely respect the fact that you don't want to be an "I told you so" kind of parent and for that I applaud you. Guess it can't hurt to see what other people say but you are the first parent I have ever heard that wants to take other peoples concept of morality into consideration. ...

...but morality, despite being an individual choice, has to do with community.

For something to be morally correct there has to be an element of resulting behaviour that is acceptable to the community.

Unless, of course, the community is a- or immoral.

And I do not believe, despite what others may attempt to demonstrate, that Thaivisa has reached this Sodom and Gomorrah status quite yet.

<deleted> He11 Thomas. You must be such fun at parties...........

Tommy don't get invited to parties - that's why we endure his company here... :o

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<deleted> He11 Thomas. You must be such fun at parties...........

Tommy don't get invited to parties - that's why we endure his company here... :o

…even though he does hold down a proper job, have a family life and walk the dog, unlike the “light” poster quoted here, who rarely appears to have time for the necessary toilet visits between postings.

Unless, of course, the computer’s in the john together with some of his ideas.

Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

<deleted> He11 Thomas. You must be such fun at parties...........

Tommy don't get invited to parties - that's why we endure his company here... :D

…even though he does hold down a proper job, have a family life and walk the dog, unlike the “light” poster quoted here, who rarely appears to have time for the necessary toilet visits between postings.

Unless, of course, the computer’s in the john together with some of his ideas.

:o:D:D

Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

Ah, so you read it - but do you live by his Categorical Imperative? If so, hats off to you. Very few people I know manage to do that... without suffering the consequences.

:D:o Good job. Also thanks for citing my reply so 'ol Tommy could be annoyed by proxy.
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Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

If you are really serious and not just chopping down trees, it would be a shame to stop there.

Try Jürgen Habermas for some interesting theories that I am sure will appeal to you. Especially if you extrapolate them to the theory and use of the Internet.

Read Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein and you'll probably end up analysing every word you have ever written - and/or never write again (if I have a hero outside of the real Thomas Merton, it is old Ludwig).

Then there is a particular favourite of mine, Sir Michael Anthony Eardley Dummett, who almost sorted out my use of logic. I like him also because he became politically active: through his work as a campaigner against racism, he let his philosophical career stall in order to influence civil rights in the late 1960s, and also through his work on the theory of voting, which led to his introduction of the Quota Borda system.

He is also a historian of the Tarot, who has argued that the medieval use of the Tarot was as a set of playing cards and that it only acquired its association with the occult in the 18th century.

Although Kant may be the fundament of modern philosophy - thinking has move on.

Read Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein and you'll probably end up analysing every word you have ever written - and/or never write again (if I have a hero outside of the real Thomas Merton, it is old Ludwig).

Nobody tell Tommy old Ludwig actually rejected his own major work on language before he died...! Wouldn't want to break any illusions.

Guess I should stop bullying him now.

Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

I am a big Kant fan. Him and Rousseau, two of my favorite authors

Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

If you are really serious and not just chopping down trees, it would be a shame to stop there.

Try Jürgen Habermas for some interesting theories that I am sure will appeal to you. Especially if you extrapolate them to the theory and use of the Internet.

Read Ludwig Josef Johann Wittgenstein and you'll probably end up analysing every word you have ever written - and/or never write again (if I have a hero outside of the real Thomas Merton, it is old Ludwig).

Then there is a particular favourite of mine, Sir Michael Anthony Eardley Dummett, who almost sorted out my use of logic. I like him also because he became politically active: through his work as a campaigner against racism, he let his philosophical career stall in order to influence civil rights in the late 1960s, and also through his work on the theory of voting, which led to his introduction of the Quota Borda system.

He is also a historian of the Tarot, who has argued that the medieval use of the Tarot was as a set of playing cards and that it only acquired its association with the occult in the 18th century.

Although Kant may be the fundament of modern philosophy - thinking has move on.

A former neighbour of mine has a Ph.D. in Intellectual History focusing on concepts in religion and apart from his thesis, he has written two books on the New Age trend. His research confirms what Sir Dummett is saying about the Tarot deck.

In fact, most New Age ideas which are attributed to ancient cultures by their followers, can be traced back to the late 1800s. Diluted and adapted concepts from ancient religions mixed with positive affirmation and tidbits of science...

Everything I ever needed to know about morals I learned in The Metaphysics of Morals by I Kant.

I am a big Kant fan. Him and Rousseau, two of my favorite authors

The English generally think he is something of a Kant (pronounced in German).

My personal favorite:

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Niccolo Machiavelli

Statesman and Political Philosopher

1469 - 1527

"No enterprise is more likely to succeed

than one concealed from the enemy

until it is ripe for execution."

He's been given short shrift through the years as folks often times misquote & misunderstand him.

Considering these times in which we live, he's the man... :o

Why I am not a Christian by Bertrand Russell is one of the many things that sticks with me through the years.

Russell is a great way to get into Philosophy, if only more could write with his charm.

Russell is a great way to get into Philosophy, if only more could write with his charm.

He is easier to take in than Nietzsche and more fun than Hume that's for sure.

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