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Morality

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Don't worry about Nietzsche. Hume however - everyone worries about Hume. There are some who even lie awake at night worrying about him, but there is now talk of his major contribution being redundant, which if true will set us back several decades.

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Niccolo Machiavelli

Statesman and Political Philosopher

1469 - 1527

"No enterprise is more likely to succeed

than one concealed from the enemy

until it is ripe for execution."

He's been given short shrift through the years as folks often times misquote & misunderstand him.

Considering these times in which we live, he's the man... :D

Seconded! :o

Niccolo Machiavelli

Statesman and Political Philosopher

1469 - 1527

There is no such thing as Political Philosopher. Philosophy doesn't deal with politics. He was a political strategist which is different. Only those who have never deal with Philosophy make that "silly" connection.

As for the quote he could have never been more right. Planning the "Europeanization" of America as we see it now, took us all by surprise. 911 was a nice setup to achieve this. I bet you didn't see it coming Boon Me :o

Ok, I've erased my little joke since I see this may kill the thread.

Let's get back to morality and keep the politics elsewhere. If you want to debate Macchiavelli as a political subject, please start another one.

Godel was a mathematician who proved that given any system of mathematics that was defined by a set of axioms there will be some propositions within this system of mathematics which can neither proven to be true or false....or, stated another way any axiomatic system of mathematics will contain truths that can not be proven. I know it is dangerous to take a result in one field and apply it to another field but I'm wondering if it can be said that given a moral system defilned by discreet moral principles that there will be some actions that can not be proven to be moral or immoral....I'm ruling out considering amoral actions. This seems a bit far fetched but maybe it will stir up some ideas.....either that or I could remind you that Bertrand Russel is a distand relative to Jane Russel and spin this thread into a tits topic.

Hi Chownah, good idea. In Philosophy we call this kind of principle a 'postulate' and the problem when applying axiomatic-like principles from Mathematics to Philosophy is that postulates are 'assumed' and such behaviour is dangerous. Take for example the assumption that the soul was a substance. This was an absolute postulate for a good deal of history. Thinking has since changed that, and we now take it for granted that we have a psychology (ego etc) that overrides any soul substance.

Similarly, metaphysics has seen many postulates be dramatically altered in as recent times as the nineteenth century.

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