UDD Red-Shirts To Hold Anti-Coup Rally In Bangkok 18 Sep

[OzMick]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

I can agree with you to some degree but as everyday passes with PT being in office I find it less likely Sondhi and the geriactric clappers will appear. Fundings been cut and Sondhi's 'done one', look at ASTV now it resembles a shopping channel. The old money will not let go easy but geriactrics on the streets again, I think unlikely. They may have to create a situation (maybe fire grenades or assasinate someone) who knows but they are brazen enough not to care what the world thinks.

Firing grenades and assassinating people is from the red handbook, not the yellow.

[SICHONSTEVE]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

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Please pay attention, my dear chap. On the day of the rally a few UDD MPs are in Cambodia 'organising' the match. Playing the match will be on the 24th, that's the week after

Playing football in Cambodia is certainly a good way to get the country back on it's feet!!! Why don't they start up a league - alternating the weekly venue between Cambodia and Thailand.

When they are not training or playing football they can get back to their part time jobs of TRYING to run the country. I haven't seen them play but I am confident in my prediction that they will be better footballers than politicians. Perhaps Yingluck can be the sponge-lady, team mascot, or maybe cheerleader, of Team Thaksin FC!!.

Their team budget will be bigger than Chelsea and Man City's put together - don't be surprised to see Ronaldo transferring from Real Madrid in January. Remember - you see it HERE first on TV scoop!!!!!:jap:

[rubl]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day..

Please pay attention, my dear chap. On the day of the rally a few UDD MPs are in Cambodia 'organising' the match. Playing the match will be on the 24th, that's the week after

Playing football in Cambodia is certainly a good way to get the country back on it's feet!!! Why don't they start up a league - alternating the weekly venue between Cambodia and Thailand.

When they are not training or playing football they can get back to their part time jobs of TRYING to run the country. I haven't seen them play but I am confident in my prediction that they will be better footballers than politicians. Perhaps Yingluck can be the sponge-lady, team mascot, or maybe cheerleader, of Team Thaksin FC!!.

Their team budget will be bigger than Chelsea and Man City's put together - don't be surprised to see Ronaldo transferring from Real Madrid in January. Remember - you see it HERE first on TV scoop!!!!!:jap:

Maybe Ms. Yingluck's son won't be so lonely anymore on his private football field when the teams would play there. Her red-shirt guard can keep out the riffraff and she can cook Isaan style noodles for the hungry. This all assuming Ms. Yingluck is not too busy (with avoiding questions and denying all rumours about her brother and cabinet members and Pheu Thai and red-shirt spokesmen, and ..., and ...

[Tokay]

In other, more exciting news, a turtle will be giving birth somewhere.

[RedNIvar]

In other, more exciting news, a turtle will be giving birth somewhere.

Now, that I want to see. The one that does not lay eggs.

[pisico]

She expressed her wish to see as many supporters as possible, saying the event would aim to make a stance against coup d'états and to inform the world of their damages in political, economic and social aspects.

Nobel cause, but aren't there real issues which should be addressed? Social inequality? Decent salary levels? Healthy ecological environment? Flood prevention by planting lots of trees?

Rallying at Democracy Monument is fun and like party time, but apart from that ?

Social inequalities are caused solely by those people who order the coups because they want to keep those social inequalities

No matter where it takes place, a coup is intended to overrule status quo, maintain or accentuate social inequities and impose its rule and people in charge of government, usually puppets.

I wonder if Prachatai editor Chiranuch Premchaiyaporn will be at the rally.

Prachatai editor Chiranuch Premchaiyaporn is among 48 recipients from 24 countries who have received prestigious human rights Hellman/Hammett grants for their commitment to free expression and courage in the face of persecution.

Edited September 15, 2011 by pisico

[SICHONSTEVE]

In other, more exciting news, a turtle will be giving birth somewhere.

Now, that I want to see. The one that does not lay eggs.

Ha Ha Ha!!! Maybe ninja turtles do!!!!

[yoshiwara]

The reds consider that the establishment is preventing the government from bringing back Thaksin. So the anti-coup demo is tied up with the Thaksin amnesty petition.

If only the reds were directing the government from the streets, how more decisive things would be! The reds are not so much the defenders of the government but rather aspirant commissars controlling the government having people's power as a trump card over the legal process. For Thaksin, pushing the reds out on the streets, giving them their rein, is a reminder to the PTP that he has more than one card to play. Mind you they are all marked cards.

[longtimepassed]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

THEIR OWN ideology????? goodness me must be a new red shirt group!! Their turnout will be a case of whether or not they get 1000 baht for turning out or not!!!

Edited September 15, 2011 by longtimepassed

[ralphlsasser]

The whole world is laughing at the government of Thailand and rightfully so.

[Buchholz]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

THEIR OWN ideology????? goodness me must be a new red shirt group!! Their turnout will be a case of whether or not they get 1000 baht for turning out or not!!!

Absolutely. There's no indication of any sort of independence by the Red Shirts from their PTP brethren at this point. Until such time as a much more dramatic and demonstrable separation occurs, they remain one and the same.

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[FOODLOVER]

Awesome, more free money! Come out from the fields and collect your bonuses people!

[phiphidon]

We can't have copycats, now can we? Heaven forbid they'd even try to protest on the very site where our martyrs died, the holy spot of Ratchaprasong. The very thought makes me want to put on my red shirt and ... ... ...

Go shopping?

Edited September 16, 2011 by phiphidon

[rubl]

We can't have copycats, now can we? Heaven forbid they'd even try to protest on the very site where our martyrs died, the holy spot of Ratchaprasong. The very thought makes me want to put on my red shirt and ... ... ...

Go shopping?

Personally I consider the Ratchaprasong area a HiSo shopping paradise with tourists thrown in and lots of normal Thai who like the airconditioned environment and want to see what luxury is about. When I go shopping I go to one of the local markets in the area I live.

Anyway you're welcome to join the rally. Probably gives you a chance to buy the latest model red shirt

Edited September 16, 2011 by rubl

[JAG]

The whole world is laughing at the government of Thailand and rightfully so.

Can't say that I have noticed myself, but they did sigh resignedly after the coup, and probably had a little snigger after the coup installed government couldn't even fix things to stop Thaksins party winning the subsequent election!

[rubl]

The whole world is laughing at the government of Thailand and rightfully so.

Can't say that I have noticed myself, but they did sigh resignedly after the coup, and probably had a little snigger after the coup installed government couldn't even fix things to stop Thaksins party winning the subsequent election!

My ears are less than they used to be, I heard nothing. Probably because the world has other worries at the moment. Thailand, oh yes, the country where they finally have one of the smiling ladies as PM

[webfact]

Police to deploy 1,300 officers during UDD rally on 18 Sep

BANGKOK, 17 September 2011 (NNT) – The Metropolitan Police Bureau will dispatch 1,300 officers to ensure security during the demonstration of the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) on 18 September.

Deputy Metropolitan Police Chief Police Major General Kririn Inkaew has called a meeting with officers under the supervision of the Metropolitan Police Division 1, 2, 3 and 6 as well as the Protection and Crowd Control Division to discuss their preparations for the upcoming gathering of the UDD.

Previously, the red-shirt group declared that its supporters would converge on the Democracy Monument on 18 September in a bid to commemorate the fifth anniversary of the 2006 coup d’état that ousted ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra.

Throughout the event, Pol Maj Gen Kririn confirmed that a total of 1,300 officers, both uniformed and plainclothes, would be patrolling the rally site and surrounding areas in an effort to maintain peace and order. Ambulances will also be on standby in case of emergency. Nonetheless, no reports of possible disturbances have been received so far.

The Deputy Metropolitan Police Chief then stressed that obstructions of roads around the Democracy Monument would be prohibited while assuring that traffic would be efficiently managed so as to avoid affecting the general public.

-- NNT 2011-09-17

[metisdead]

A post containing a derogatory nickname of a well known former PM has been removed as well as a reply.

[MaiChai]

So why does the UDD need to rally if they won the election? Am I missing something. They got what they wanted and are still not happy?

[Siam Simon]

Thaksin has been pursuing a number of parallel strategies to return to (and stay in) power. Winning the election put his official party (the PT) into power, but he undoubtedly wants to keep his unofficial group (the UDD) in play as they may be needed in the future.

His militant arm has been quite quiet lately, probably beheaded when Sae Dang was assassinated, but also reined in after T and the Dems came to a 'gentleman's agreement' to cut out the bomb attacks in exchange for the release of some of his frozen funds last year. (see Crispin's articles about this)

There are probably other things going on behind the scenes in the courthouses and government offices, but unless someone gets careless with a donut box again, we are unlikely to hear about that!

You forgot to mention that this load of speculation is only your opinion .

[Siam Simon]

So why does the UDD need to rally if they won the election? Am I missing something. They got what they wanted and are still not happy?

Yes, you are missing something: The UDD didn't win the election.

[Siam Simon]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

I think that is right and also that tactically it is good to be small as PTP are in power and there are lots of people sick of street protest and who just want it to go away. At some point an establishment organized lengthy protest against PTP is likely to hit the streets and PTP and the reds will want the "sick of it group" to turn on this.

I can agree with you to some degree but as everyday passes with PT being in office I find it less likely Sondhi and the geriactric clappers will appear. Fundings been cut and Sondhi's 'done one', look at ASTV now it resembles a shopping channel. The old money will not let go easy but geriactrics on the streets again, I think unlikely. They may have to create a situation (maybe fire grenades or assasinate someone) who knows but they are brazen enough not to care what the world thinks.

Firing grenades and assassinating people is from the red handbook, not the yellow.

Correct. Firing handguns, and assassinating people (at the airports) are from the yellow handbook .

[Xangsamhua]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

We can expect a couple of twisted knees and sprained ankles out of that lot - if they really do get on the pitch.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Xangsamhua

[scorecard]

It will be interesting to see what kind of turnout they get.

I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics.

This may be the first time post-election we - and the PTP - get to see how much popular support the red shirts can mobilize now their old cause-celebre is defunct.

No doubt if the numbers are high, many on this forum will say Thaksin paid for it, if they are low they'll say Thaksin has deserted them. An anti-Thaksin explanation for all eventualities.

But as usual, this would be a diversion from the fact that the red shirts are a distinct group with their own ideology and the numbers they attract at rallies - particularly in Bangkok - are as much a reflection of the general sympathy people have with their cause as any other factor.

"I suspect it won't be many, unlike the pre-election rallies when protesters were energized by the desire to get rid of the Dems, whose presence in the seat of power they considered to be the expression of the old establishment meddling in politics."

Another graduate of the amsterdam spin school.

There is no doubt whatever that there are enormous inequities in Thai society (and many other societies) lack of equal justice, lack of policies to share the wealth, etc., etc.

Also true, none of the reds / udd clan, or thaksin or his clone sister, have ever given a detailed presentation with deep insights about these matters, none have ever taken part in a proper debate, etc. Nothing, never.

And none of the same people have ever given a detailed insightful presentation with a structured goal framework or a structured approach of how to achieve the goals. Nothing, never.

Sorry, I am not convinced that the red villages, the majority of red voters know anything in detail of these matters.

I'm not saying they are stupid, I am saying they are lacking in knowledge and awareness of these matters), and if their leaders were sincere they would have spent a lot of time already to ensure their followers were highly understanding of what builds democracy, what must be protected, etc, and their leaders have done nothing whatever in this regard. Their leaders have done nothing, zero, zilch in this regard.

Yes, their is deep inequity and it should be addressed, but I am not convinced at all that the red shirts / udd are really aligned to the inequity cause.

Edited September 18, 2011 by scorecard

[cdnvic]

Deleted some name-calling.

[Buchholz]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

In dramatic fashion the Red Shirt Leaders AKA Pheu Thai Party MP AKA Cambodian Frequent Flyer Club Members are all being raced back from Cambodia today in order to attend the Red Shirt Rally. They will be transported directly from the airport to the stage.

They'll be blasting the speakers until 1 am, but unknown is whether the man they met earlier today, Thaksin, will be doing a video link during the traffic-maker.

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[rubl]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

In dramatic fashion the Red Shirt Leaders AKA Pheu Thai Party MP AKA Cambodian Frequent Flyer Club Members are all being raced back from Cambodia today in order to attend the Red Shirt Rally. They will be transported directly from the airport to the stage.

They'll be blasting the speakers until 1 am, but unknown is whether the man they met earlier today, Thaksin, will be doing a video link during the traffic-maker.

How many times do I have to tell you? It's not red-shirt leaders, it's UDD leaders aka UDD MPs. Ms. Thida might not be there rumour has it. She doesn't like k. Thaksin and hasn't forgiven her husband yet for going to see him

Edited September 18, 2011 by rubl

[rubl]

It started to rain heavily here in Khet Dusit. I'm afraid it may spoil some of the rally fun

[bkkjames]

It started to rain heavily here in Khet Dusit. I'm afraid it may spoil some of the rally fun

That's too bad.

[serenitynow]

Won't be much of a Red Shirt rally when the Red Shirt Leaders (Jatuporn Promphan, Veera Musigapong, Natthawut Saikua, Korkaew Pikulthong, Kwanchai Praipana, and Yoswalit Chooklom) as well as Thida's husband and Red Shirt Leader Weng Tojirakarn are all off to Cambodia to play football on that day.

In dramatic fashion the Red Shirt Leaders AKA Pheu Thai Party MP AKA Cambodian Frequent Flyer Club Members are all being raced back from Cambodia today in order to attend the Red Shirt Rally. They will be transported directly from the airport to the stage.

They'll be blasting the speakers until 1 am, but unknown is whether the man they met earlier today, Thaksin, will be doing a video link during the traffic-maker.

How many times do I have to tell you? It's not red-shirt leaders, it's UDD leaders aka UDD MPs. Ms. Thida might not be there rumour has it. She doesn't like k. Thaksin and hasn't forgiven her husband yet for going to see him

Why do you say K. Thida doesn't like Thaksin? You didn't think it strange that both she and her hubby Weng were at Potjaman's appeals court verdict on the very day her Red Shirt arsonists were being sentenced to decades in jail in Isaan?

Edited September 18, 2011 by serenitynow