American Drug Suspect Arrested On Koh Phangan

[BigC]

Unfortunately, in my (limited) experience of people involved in drugs, they only think of themselves!

So true...

so true i am never going to a chemist again. or a hospital. they should be ashamed of themselves

seriously being a drug dealer is hardly a proud preffession.

U could imagine how the kids talk at school.

what does your dad do ? m dad is a dust man

what does your dad do ? he is an airline pilot

what does your dad do ? he is a solider

what does your dad do ? He is that man with the dark glassess outside the gate selling us that power stuff that makes us go mental......

somehow i think the rest of those kids have lost the chance to follow in their for farther footsteps.

[PattayaPhom]

Unfortunately, in my (limited) experience of people involved in drugs, they only think of themselves!

So true...

so true i am never going to a chemist again. or a hospital. they should be ashamed of themselves

seriously being a drug dealer is hardly a proud preffession.

U could imagine how the kids talk at school.

what does your dad do ? m dad is a dust man

what does your dad do ? he is an airline pilot

what does your dad do ? he is a solider

what does your dad do ? He is that man with the dark glassess outside the gate selling us that power stuff that makes us go mental......

somehow i think the rest of those kids have lost the chance to follow in their for farther footsteps.

Guys like this dont need to hang around........unfortunatly Thailand is again now a nation of drug takers....from the hooker bar girls all way up to Expats working in BKK....no need to market your trade, word of mouth works wonders in the drug industry

[PattayaPhom]

News on the street is he is out and still in Thailand.........anyone else can confirm...

[BigC]

i like old school Taksins policy on drugs. though i expect other shall disagree. 2 ways to beat war on drugs either legalise it or go all out ruthlesss on anyone invloved in the trade. No complimise unfortunalty. that is how it is.

personally i think the world for criminals and for straight people would be better with out druggy scum ! i am sure other shall disagree. specially with the get rich quick danger money involved.

[DavidMavec]

News on the street is he is out and still in Thailand.........anyone else can confirm...

Nope, that's definitely incorrect. The best we know is that he has already been extradited to the U.S. and is likely in the hospital receiving treatment for his leg problem.

[rucus7]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

[carmine]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I take it that you haven't read the whole thread have you.

[rucus7]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I take it that you haven't read the whole thread have you.

I read the story in its entirety in the Nation. After reading the post. What did I miss?

[Rooo]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I take it that you haven't read the whole thread have you.

I read the story in its entirety in the Nation. After reading the post. What did I miss?

I suggest you read the whole thread & posts from people that know him in Thailand.

[rucus7]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I take it that you haven't read the whole thread have you.

I read the story in its entirety in the Nation. After reading the post. What did I miss?

I suggest you read the whole thread & posts from people that know him in Thailand.

I thought I had, and what I gleaned is that it is hearsay, albeit potentially generated by Howard Priola. I do not read these posts and automatically believe them as truth. Pathological liars(embellishment and omission) are rampant on the internet.

[BangrakBob]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I don't think too many people on here are bothered about what he did or didn't do "In America" more about not having him do what he was doing in Thailand, as mentioned by people in this thread who knew the man and with no vested interest in selling papers or anything else to gain by commenting. There's no smoke without fire.

You might think people's reactions are out of order but expats who respect Thai law and are thankful for having the opportunity to live here don't need these type of people giving us a bad name as happens to often.

[Rooo]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

Will not enter into any arguments with you. After all being said & done he was in The Kingdom illegally. That alone to me speaks volumes of his intentions or circumstances at the time & is pretty solid ground alone for expulsion .If you wish to add more insults to Thaivisa members, please send me a PM & we will sort it out.

[DavidMavec]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

Will not enter into any arguments with you. After all being said & done he was in The Kingdom illegally. That alone to me speaks volumes of his intentions or circumstances at the time & is pretty solid ground alone for expulsion .If you wish to add more insults to Thaivisa members, please send me a PM & we will sort it out.

Please elaborate on your volumes in regard to the intentions or circumstances of someone overstaying. When all is said and done, I just spent close to USD$700 for a trip to Cambodia to get 2 more months in Thailand (flights, hotels, visa fee, visa agent fees, having to wait several days). I do agree with you that it is solid ground for expulsion but don't think it is fair for you to make assumptions in regard to his intentions.

"If you wish to add more insults to Thaivisa members, please send me a PM & we will sort it out." His comments were general about forum posts and I can agree that some of the posts do seem "holier than thou". Looks to me like you are making threats. If rucus7 sends you a PM, are you going to challenge him to a duel at the first stroke of midnight or something to that effect?

[Rooo]

Isn't this your post:

By DavidMavec:

I do not condone the activity for which Billy is accused. At all.

I will say that for me and in my opinion for many people who know Billy, his getting arrested is a sad event. He is a likable guy and I enjoyed his company.

The real tragedy is what is going to happen to his two young children, who are clearly very attached to him and look to him for support.

As an aside, I don't think it is accurate or appropriate at all to use the word "mafia" in referring to him.

Obviously I can see why you are so upset if he was your friend. Unfortunately, besides the alleged hearsays, there is a lot more to it then meets the eye.I have never ever heard of anyone being extradited for the alleged offences ( stress the word alleged to appease some folks). But combining that with not overstay but of what seems to be illegal entry into Thailand, not my words, read the original article.As for me asking Rucus to PM me, is strictly between him & I, hence the PM, if that bothers you, so be it.

[DavidMavec]

Isn't this your post:

By DavidMavec:

I do not condone the activity for which Billy is accused. At all.

I will say that for me and in my opinion for many people who know Billy, his getting arrested is a sad event. He is a likable guy and I enjoyed his company.

The real tragedy is what is going to happen to his two young children, who are clearly very attached to him and look to him for support.

As an aside, I don't think it is accurate or appropriate at all to use the word "mafia" in referring to him.

Obviously I can see why you are so upset if he was your friend. Unfortunately, besides the alleged hearsays, there is a lot more to it then meets the eye.I have never ever heard of anyone being extradited for the alleged offences ( stress the word alleged to appease some folks). But combining that with not overstay but of what seems to be illegal entry into Thailand, not my words, read the original article.As for me asking Rucus to PM me, is strictly between him & I, hence the PM, if that bothers you, so be it.

Right, I agree with you that there is likely "more to it than meets the eye." It is quite something to have the U.S. government hunt him down here with the alleged offenses. The U.S. government does like to make examples of people, however, and so I am not totally putting it past the U.S. to spend their resources on tracking him down as a caution to others who are evading the law in the U.S., especially as Thailand is well known as a place where U.S. (and European) criminals go to escape charges.

[Rooo]

Perhaps the Thai government is using this as a message, who knows.

[Benjie]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

If that were really the case what is Bail for?

Innocent until proven guilty but arrested and detained in Jail until they go to court, doesn't tally.

[BigC]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

Thank god the whole world is not America. Who care what happens in America. This is Thailand. If he wanted to be arrested and treated like and American citern then u should have stayed in th U.S.

Here we have another American coming in and telling us how we should and should not behave. As an Englishman i wouldn't even be able to get a visa for the U.S if i had previous drug conviction. so if u want the same rules of preduce or law as back home then. allot of these drug takers would even be able to apply for a visa.

bit of a shame that rule does not apply it might have saved them 99 years in the Bangkok Hilton.

We may be pompos but i hate the Arrogance of American culture and i know i am not the only 1.

[BigC]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

Will not enter into any arguments with you. After all being said & done he was in The Kingdom illegally. That alone to me speaks volumes of his intentions or circumstances at the time & is pretty solid ground alone for expulsion .If you wish to add more insults to Thaivisa members, please send me a PM & we will sort it out.

if we are to live by the U.S laws then he would be banged up for out staying his visa. i know someone in jail now in the US for over stay.

I am sorry but i don't think that Mr Bush will be knocking on Thailand's door to organise a release. Neither Borackobarma.

Also i'll accept all the bad spelling from anyone else apart from an American because no matter how bad my spelling is. I am English so i can take the piss out of my own lanugae as much as i like but an American should respect it as we are letting your country borrow our lanuage.

ps i have gone a bit over board on the miss pellling

[BigC]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

If that were really the case what is Bail for?

Innocent until proven guilty but arrested and detained in Jail until they go to court, doesn't tally.

he might not be able to afford bail. i think it is pretty high for magor drug affences.

then he needs someone to come and pay it. As he cannot bail himself out.

[BusyBee123]

Unfortunately, in my (limited) experience of people involved in drugs, they only think of themselves!

So true...

so true i am never going to a chemist again. or a hospital. they should be ashamed of themselves

seriously being a drug dealer is hardly a proud preffession.

U could imagine how the kids talk at school.

what does your dad do ? m dad is a dust man

what does your dad do ? he is an airline pilot

what does your dad do ? he is a solider

what does your dad do ? He is that man with the dark glassess outside the gate selling us that power stuff that makes us go mental......

somehow i think the rest of those kids have lost the chance to follow in their for farther footsteps.

What does your dad do? He sells alcohol

What does your dad do? He sells cigarettes

yah my dad is real sick he likes a slow death from legal drugs. Great job can I do it too.

[BigC]

seriously being a drug dealer is hardly a proud preffession.

U could imagine how the kids talk at school.

what does your dad do ? m dad is a dust man

what does your dad do ? he is an airline pilot

what does your dad do ? he is a solider

what does your dad do ? He is that man with the dark glassess outside the gate selling us that power stuff that makes us go mental......

somehow i think the rest of those kids have lost the chance to follow in their for farther footsteps.

What does your dad do? He sells alcohol

What does your dad do? He sells cigarettes

yah my dad is real sick he likes a slow death from legal drugs. Great job can I do it too.

someone else who is in infront of their computer instead of out enjoying the night life like me.

Cigarettes i agree are bad but i don't see people wrecking peoples lives on the same scale. for example cigarettes are affordable. That hard stuff wrecks people lives by draining their bank accounts and then there family savings then selling everything then there neihbours stuff.

Achole is another issue one i stay clear of. some people can drink and enjoy. other can drink and end up putting someone in hospital and landing themselves in jail with no memory.

funny how i am in on a saturday night.

Achole is a real pain in the arse for me. i don't drink. so when / if i go out i have to be around loads of people who are acting like memtal people.

you only notice it when u r not drunk so u drink just to kill the time.

Also woman are mental when they are drunk. the amount of domestic arguments that just cannot be won while my bird sorry birds are out there nuts are just ridiculas.

there again u cannot ban everything. people need there outlets.

anyway the law is the law.

as all along. yes some countries it legal.

some countries maybe in some cultures u could be proud to be a drug dealer.

though not here

[PattayaPhom]

As an American,this post caught my eye. However, what really got my attention was the persecution of this individual by Thai Visa members. In America he has not been convicted, he remains only a suspect of two crimes. In America the burden of proof is on the prosecution. Remember it is innocent, until proven guilty. In America being arrested does not automatically equate to being guilty.

I have no personal knowledge of this individual. Those that know him in Thailand, do not truly know what he did, or did not do in America. All they know is via hearsay. The pompous attitudes and reactionary opinions of some of the Thai visa members can be irritating. I guess their ignorance remains blissful, or they have divine guidance when it comes to guilt and innocence.

I suggest you take a trip to the Cha am area of Thailand and ask around for any proof of this mans illegal activities in Thailand....be it only low level drug pushing..still illegal.

[Tropicalevo]

What does your dad do? He sells alcohol

What does your dad do? He sells cigarettes

yah my dad is real sick he likes a slow death from legal drugs. Great job can I do it too.

This one is methinks.

In Thailand, apart from age restrictions, some time restrictions and having products 'hidden' the selling of alcohol and cigarettes is , as you say, TOTALLY legal.

The selling of drugs in not.

Bit of a difference there don't you think? Personal choice or view does not make something illegal or bad - it is just a view.

The thread is about someone selling/taking illegal substances, not about legal shop/bar owners.

[BigC]

What does your dad do? He sells alcohol

What does your dad do? He sells cigarettes

yah my dad is real sick he likes a slow death from legal drugs. Great job can I do it too.

This one is methinks.

In Thailand, apart from age restrictions, some time restrictions and having products 'hidden' the selling of alcohol and cigarettes is , as you say, TOTALLY legal.

The selling of drugs in not.

Bit of a difference there don't you think? Personal choice or view does not make something illegal or bad - it is just a view.

The thread is about someone selling/taking illegal substances, not about legal shop/bar owners.

yep sometimes the simple answers are the most correct.

Achole and ciggarettes are legal. Ice and yaabaa and all that is illegal. Doesn't really matter what people reckon the law should be. that is what the law is.

unless people have to power to campain to run for P.M. Then i think the law might be the same for quite some time out here.

As for the Aerican. If you want people to judge him as the way you think he should be judged just because that is the way they do it in the US ]. then he should have chosen the U.S . th deal drugs.

I knwo u beleive that the U.S is 100 per cent correct. you r simply wrong. people like you give other Americans a bad name. I think some of the right Amercians would are trying to lose that rep of being arrogant and the way they want to police the world to the way they think it should run

America and my stupid govement are in such a mess because they spend more money on policing other countries that it has left our own economies skint.

Well we are in the best place to be as Asia will be running things soon.

All the tanks and planes and M16's in the world will not combat the money crisis or buy people back homes.

Not that i am against war. As Sun Tzu said. you have to evauluate the cost of a war before you take on a war. if the war costs more to win. Then better to not fight.

I wish english tax payers had some profit from all these wars. all that oil.

never minde i am off on a politcal cul de sac.

someone is getting rich though. the oil is still out there !!!