PM Yingluck Declines To Declare SOE For Fear Of Affecting Foreign Investors Confidence

[SOTIRIOS]

Is there such a thing as 'removal from office due to incompetence'......(or gross negligence?)

When you will avoid issues, to the detriment of the whole population, the whole nation and the whole economy, this is the greatest betrayal....on the same level as treason

Avoiding the declaration of a state of emergency in light of the scale of this calamity, makes one wonder what the real motive (or deterrent) is..... (never mind the nonsense about foreign investment) (or is someone waiting in the aisles to make some bargain-basement purchases after the dust settles???)

Holding onto power at all costs???

Or something else besides???

Either way...............shameful

Edited October 21, 2011 by SOTIRIOS

[gl555]

Is there such a thing as 'removal from office due to incompetence'......(or gross negligence?)

When you will avoid issues, to the detriment of the whole population, the whole nation and the whole economy, this is the greatest betrayal....on the same level as treason

Avoiding the declaration of a state of emergency in light of the scale of this calamity, makes one wonder what the real motive (or deterrent) is..... (never mind the nonsense about foreign investment) (or is someone waiting in the aisles to make some bargain-basement purchases after the dust settles???)

Holding onto power at all costs???

Or something else besides???

Either way...............shameful

You'd need parliament to do that and parliament is filled with a Red crony majority so don't expect any removals from office. The only way would be the other way which most 'civilized' people find offensive but which I personally feel would be great considering how incompentant this present government is.

[JAG]

The military has deployed all the personnel that it can deploy. They cannot send out more people because they do not have the logistical support to do so. The army has lots of tanks, but they aren't much good as trucks.

Every engineering and logistics supply unit is in service. The military cannot just dump thousands of conscripts in any given area. they need to be housed, fed and equipped.

The military are in deep sh!t if there is a war, if they have already exhausted their logistical support with their efforts so far.

The Army is not there to fight wars. Its main raison d'etre is to project/wield power within Thailand.

I suspect that the governments reluctance to give them a free hand by declaring a state of emergency is driven by the suspicion that once they (the generals) have these powers they will not relinquish them until they have engineered a government rather more to their taste!

[SOTIRIOS]

........that's what I'm talkin' about'...........

[whybother]

The military are in deep sh!t if there is a war, if they have already exhausted their logistical support with their efforts so far.

The Army is not there to fight wars. Its main raison d'etre is to project/wield power within Thailand.

I suspect that the governments reluctance to give them a free hand by declaring a state of emergency is driven by the suspicion that once they (the generals) have these powers they will not relinquish them until they have engineered a government rather more to their taste!

The military can't do anything if they don't have sufficient logistical support. They couldn't even have coup without sufficient logistical support.

But they certainly don't need an SOE to "engineer a government rather more to their taste".

[JAG]

The Army is not there to fight wars. Its main raison d'etre is to project/wield power within Thailand.

I suspect that the governments reluctance to give them a free hand by declaring a state of emergency is driven by the suspicion that once they (the generals) have these powers they will not relinquish them until they have engineered a government rather more to their taste!

The military can't do anything if they don't have sufficient logistical support. They couldn't even have coup without sufficient logistical support.

But they certainly don't need an SOE to "engineer a government rather more to their taste".

A quick coup like the last one doesn't really require much logistical support, certainly less than a war or a major task in aid of the civil power.

Engineering a change of government, as I suggested, would be a lot easier, particularley in terms of gaining international acceptance, if they could claim they were "invited to take power" under a state of emergency

[anterian]

Since when has the opinions of those outside of Thailand been taken into account?

Dont you think foreign confidence is damaged enough with the mis-management of this disaster?

With Thailand being in the international news about the flooding and being hammered by the UN etc, issuing a SOE is the right thing to do, let the Military be fully deployed where they are needed to help with evacuation, distributing relief supplies and repairing flood defenses. Yingluck needs to put aside her partisan politics and let the army help, instead of making a mess of things

The military has deployed all the personnel that it can deploy. They cannot send out more people because they do not have the logistical support to do so. The army has lots of tanks, but they aren't much good as trucks.

Every engineering and logistics supply unit is in service. The military cannot just dump thousands of conscripts in any given area. they need to be housed, fed and equipped.

That's very interesting. How do you know they don't have the logistical support to do so? Is that an opinion or something based on fact?

The logistics of fighting a war are not the same as fighting a flood, in fact historically several battles have had their outcome decided by intentional flooding of the battle zone.

[thaibeachlovers]

does not rely matter anymore think there is little confidence left after all what happened , belief Honda already announced if the last facility floods they will leave Thailand

for another country to set up camp ...

I feel sorry for yingluck , she is not capable

The irony is delicious is it not?

Indeed. I've never seen such a good example of poetic justice in real life!

The sound of chickens coming home to roost is deafening.

[Keng11]

Why can't they have an emergency services organization to run & coordinate in cooperation with the relevant government department for these disasters? comprised mostly of volunteers as we do in Australia & I should imagine also in many other countries, instead of relying on the military all the time when there is a problem.

I'm sure other countries would assist in setting up an emergency services organization. With a population of 65+ million they should be able to get someone involved.

[h90]

Is there such a thing as 'removal from office due to incompetence'......(or gross negligence?)

When you will avoid issues, to the detriment of the whole population, the whole nation and the whole economy, this is the greatest betrayal....on the same level as treason

Avoiding the declaration of a state of emergency in light of the scale of this calamity, makes one wonder what the real motive (or deterrent) is..... (never mind the nonsense about foreign investment) (or is someone waiting in the aisles to make some bargain-basement purchases after the dust settles???)

Holding onto power at all costs???

Or something else besides???

Either way...............shameful

You'd need parliament to do that and parliament is filled with a Red crony majority so don't expect any removals from office. The only way would be the other way which most 'civilized' people find offensive but which I personally feel would be great considering how incompentant this present government is.

the parliament or the Army.

[ratcatcher]

The military are in deep sh!t if there is a war, if they have already exhausted their logistical support with their efforts so far.

The Army is not there to fight wars. Its main raison d'etre is to project/wield power within Thailand.

I suspect that the governments reluctance to give them a free hand by declaring a state of emergency is driven by the suspicion that once they (the generals) have these powers they will not relinquish them until they have engineered a government rather more to their taste!

The military can't do anything if they don't have sufficient logistical support. They couldn't even have coup without sufficient logistical support.

But they certainly don't need an SOE to "engineer a government rather more to their taste".

The Desert Lord in Dubai is somewhat quiet on this delicate subject. I wonder how he is feeling seeing his sister reeling?

[Mosha]

Thinking, "I'll never be there for the wedding at this rate."

[siampolee]

Pink Bentley wallah has been silent of late too,

[Tanaka]

Why can't they have an emergency services organization to run & coordinate in cooperation with the relevant government department for these disasters? comprised mostly of volunteers as we do in Australia & I should imagine also in many other countries, instead of relying on the military all the time when there is a problem.

I'm sure other countries would assist in setting up an emergency services organization. With a population of 65+ million they should be able to get someone involved.

They could get many people involved but it would not do any good. Because there is no knowledge or competence. Anywhere. And Thais never think foreign assistance is of any use because they already know everything themselves. Sad.

[h90]

It is also reported elsewhere (including English language unmentionable one) that the military do not want an SOE as they are worried they will take the blame if or when it all falls apart as they dont see any way anyone can fight such a force of nature. So the government dont and military dont, so no story bar poltical games by others. It would be good to stop such games at a time of crisis but unlikley to happen

It's entirely Yingluck's decision to make whether or not to declare a state of emergency.

I think it is entirely the decision of one man in Dubai.

[Thaddeus]

The Desert Lord in Dubai is somewhat quiet on this delicate subject. I wonder how he is feeling seeing his sister reeling?

Don't worry, as soon as it looks like there may be some semblance of order and normality returning, he'll pop up like a rubber duck in a bath.

(to take credit it for it)

[jimbeam1]

The Desert Lord in Dubai is somewhat quiet on this delicate subject. I wonder how he is feeling seeing his sister reeling?

Don't worry, as soon as it looks like there may be some semblance of order and normality returning, he'll pop up like a rubber duck in a bath.

(to take credit it for it)

Talking of ducks (Amphibious vehicles) does the a army have any? They had some on Sunny hunny beach, that I think they don't use any more. Maybe they could buy them.

jb1

[Mystory]

What really can Yingluck do, I really feel sorry for people in government for the first time when I read the posts of people. How can an army fix a flood?? They are not GOD. Lets face it the worst is here, the tide is going to turn soon, lets learn from what has happened. Yingluck can now focus on how to prevent the next flood. Why shoot the messenger when you should be shooting the people before her in government. I am not a particular fan of Yingluck, but i'm sure she is doing everything she can for the flood. That is all we can ask. RIP the Thai people who have died in this period, and hopefully all the people suffering will see relief soon.:jap:

[gl555]

What really can Yingluck do, I really feel sorry for people in government for the first time when I read the posts of people. How can an army fix a flood?? They are not GOD. Lets face it the worst is here, the tide is going to turn soon, lets learn from what has happened. Yingluck can now focus on how to prevent the next flood. Why shoot the messenger when you should be shooting the people before her in government. I am not a particular fan of Yingluck, but i'm sure she is doing everything she can for the flood. That is all we can ask. RIP the Thai people who have died in this period, and hopefully all the people suffering will see relief soon.:jap:

Like I've said before, yes Yingluk is doing her best but unfortunately she's not very smart and incompetent. Therefore, her 'best' isn't really very much is it?

[tlansford]

It is also reported elsewhere (including English language unmentionable one) that the military do not want an SOE as they are worried they will take the blame if or when it all falls apart as they dont see any way anyone can fight such a force of nature. So the government dont and military dont, so no story bar poltical games by others. It would be good to stop such games at a time of crisis but unlikley to happen

It's entirely Yingluck's decision to make whether or not to declare a state of emergency.

while afaik your statement is accurate, how does it dispel hammered's analysis? (assuming that was the point of your post, of course...) I read his post as saying SOE stories are just part of scoring political points in a time of crisis and that this game (1) helps no one, and (2) is likely to continue. Do you agree with that, too?

[slipperx]

What really can Yingluck do, I really feel sorry for people in government for the first time when I read the posts of people. How can an army fix a flood?? They are not GOD. Lets face it the worst is here, the tide is going to turn soon, lets learn from what has happened. Yingluck can now focus on how to prevent the next flood. Why shoot the messenger when you should be shooting the people before her in government. I am not a particular fan of Yingluck, but i'm sure she is doing everything she can for the flood. That is all we can ask. RIP the Thai people who have died in this period, and hopefully all the people suffering will see relief soon.:jap:

It's not about the fact there is a flood - of course she cannot prevent a natural disaster but there are steps that can be taken to mitigate the damage. Her government has acted too late, too stupidly and has been totally inept in this time of disaster. There is no information and to be honest I have doubts any Thai has a clue about what to do, how bad it will be or where will be effected. This is the information the public deserve and that is the information the government should be providing as well as using the army and volunteers to sandbag where sensible. No intelligence, no direction, no bloody idea.

[jdeath]

If anything, not admitting to the emergency NOW might just erode whatever confidence might be left

[hyperdimension]

She has issued a "Disaster Warning" instead. So does she think that a Disaster Warning would not have an affect on foreign investor confidence? Or was she lying about the reason for not declaring a State of Emergency?

[boldfj]

I am sooooo tired of reading the same crap every day about how the government is inept and how everything their doing is wrong or they are not doing enough to make things right. Yet nobody that criticises the government has any0suggestions of how to do things better. It is so easy to criticise yet very difficult to make possitive suggestions of how things could be improved. It almost makes me tired of following this forum!!!

What we are experiencing with all this flooding is a major natural disaster and it is difficult for anyone can say with 100% confidence that this will happen or that will happen. Hence, the government is trying to tell people what to do to avoid significant problems and dangers, but is isn't easy. There are simply too many variables to predict correctly. I think it is better if all we farangs just shut up and let the government try to do it's best to resolve the problem. After all, we are guests in this country! If there are any good ideas on how to improve the situation, send those ideas to the government and see if they will accept your suggestion and try to improve the situation. Otherwise, it does absolutely no good to continuously berate the government and talk about, in your opinions, their ineptitude. They are trying to resolve a problem that hasn't happened in at least 50 years. Let's not also forget that Thailand is still a third world country and is not a UK, USA, Australia or any other western European country, with experienced democratic governments and lots of talent to draw up to solve a significant problem. So give them a break! They are trying their best to resolve this issue as quickly as they can.

Also, regarding comments about how Suphanburi has not suffered any flooding, at the expense of it's neighboring provinces, that is simply a statement by uninformed persons. I drove around Suphanburi yesterday and found most of the rice farm areas completely flooded with water. Also, many of the small towns near the Tha Chin River are totally inundated with flooding. So for someone to claim that Suphanburi has avoided any flooding situation is simply ignorance on the part of the claimer. What needs to be realized is that Suphanburi does not lie along the banks of the Chao Praya River. It is these other provinces, like Nakhor Sawan, Chai Nat, Singburi, Ang Thong, Ayutthaya, etc., through which the Chao Praya River flows, that are inundated with flooding because they surround the massive overflowing river. Suphanburi can only have flooding from the overflow of the Tha Chin River. And currently, that river is overflowing it's banks all along its route, causing significant flooding to Suphanburi. I would estimate that more than 70-80% of the rice farms in Suphanburi are already flooded. What is different in Suphanburi, from other provinces which have significant flooding, is that Suphanburi has built it roads significantly higher than the land of either side of the road. Hence, when there is flooding in the farmland, it doesn't necessarily flood the roads. Hence the major roads though the province are still open and usable. And perhaps we should all be thankful for that since the current only way north of Bangkok is through Nakhon Pathum and Suphanburi. Thanks to those smart enough to build roads significantly higher than the potential flood level of the farmland adjacent to the major highways for making this possible.

[rubl]

It is also reported elsewhere (including English language unmentionable one) that the military do not want an SOE as they are worried they will take the blame if or when it all falls apart as they dont see any way anyone can fight such a force of nature. So the government dont and military dont, so no story bar poltical games by others. It would be good to stop such games at a time of crisis but unlikley to happen

It's entirely Yingluck's decision to make whether or not to declare a state of emergency.

while afaik your statement is accurate, how does it dispel hammered's analysis? (assuming that was the point of your post, of course...) I read his post as saying SOE stories are just part of scoring political points in a time of crisis and that this game (1) helps no one, and (2) is likely to continue. Do you agree with that, too?

This game indeed helps no one and sadly is likely to continue. Mind you being reasonable seems only to come naturally to some when they got caught out, or talked themselves in a corner. Now please excuse me, I have to check what my friend k. Jatuporn had to say today.

Edited October 21, 2011 by rubl

[jakhoeblal]

Why almost all comments in Thaivisa Forums are SARCASTIC??...

Also looks like you guys are all very smart (farang) and Thai people are stupid.

I sure hate this type of comments!

[jakhoeblal]

What really can Yingluck do, I really feel sorry for people in government for the first time when I read the posts of people. How can an army fix a flood?? They are not GOD. Lets face it the worst is here, the tide is going to turn soon, lets learn from what has happened. Yingluck can now focus on how to prevent the next flood. Why shoot the messenger when you should be shooting the people before her in government. I am not a particular fan of Yingluck, but i'm sure she is doing everything she can for the flood. That is all we can ask. RIP the Thai people who have died in this period, and hopefully all the people suffering will see relief soon.:jap:

Like I've said before, yes Yingluk is doing her best but unfortunately she's not very smart and incompetent. Therefore, her 'best' isn't really very much is it?

You must be a very smart guy! Please tell us what you can or achieved in your live

[Crushdepth]

Why almost all comments in Thaivisa Forums are SARCASTIC??...

Also looks like you guys are all very smart (farang) and Thai people are stupid.

I sure hate this type of comments!

Your words not ours.

[philw]

I am sooooo tired of reading the same crap every day about how the government is inept and how everything their doing is wrong or they are not doing enough to make things right. Yet nobody that criticises the government has any0suggestions of how to do things better. It is so easy to criticise yet very difficult to make possitive suggestions of how things could be improved. It almost makes me tired of following this forum!!!

What we are experiencing with all this flooding is a major natural disaster and it is difficult for anyone can say with 100% confidence that this will happen or that will happen. Hence, the government is trying to tell people what to do to avoid significant problems and dangers, but is isn't easy. There are simply too many variables to predict correctly. I think it is better if all we farangs just shut up and let the government try to do it's best to resolve the problem. After all, we are guests in this country! If there are any good ideas on how to improve the situation, send those ideas to the government and see if they will accept your suggestion and try to improve the situation. Otherwise, it does absolutely no good to continuously berate the government and talk about, in your opinions, their ineptitude. They are trying to resolve a problem that hasn't happened in at least 50 years. Let's not also forget that Thailand is still a third world country and is not a UK, USA, Australia or any other western European country, with experienced democratic governments and lots of talent to draw up to solve a significant problem. So give them a break! They are trying their best to resolve this issue as quickly as they can.

Also, regarding comments about how Suphanburi has not suffered any flooding, at the expense of it's neighboring provinces, that is simply a statement by uninformed persons. I drove around Suphanburi yesterday and found most of the rice farm areas completely flooded with water. Also, many of the small towns near the Tha Chin River are totally inundated with flooding. So for someone to claim that Suphanburi has avoided any flooding situation is simply ignorance on the part of the claimer. What needs to be realized is that Suphanburi does not lie along the banks of the Chao Praya River. It is these other provinces, like Nakhor Sawan, Chai Nat, Singburi, Ang Thong, Ayutthaya, etc., through which the Chao Praya River flows, that are inundated with flooding because they surround the massive overflowing river. Suphanburi can only have flooding from the overflow of the Tha Chin River. And currently, that river is overflowing it's banks all along its route, causing significant flooding to Suphanburi. I would estimate that more than 70-80% of the rice farms in Suphanburi are already flooded. What is different in Suphanburi, from other provinces which have significant flooding, is that Suphanburi has built it roads significantly higher than the land of either side of the road. Hence, when there is flooding in the farmland, it doesn't necessarily flood the roads. Hence the major roads though the province are still open and usable. And perhaps we should all be thankful for that since the current only way north of Bangkok is through Nakhon Pathum and Suphanburi. Thanks to those smart enough to build roads significantly higher than the potential flood level of the farmland adjacent to the major highways for making this possible.

Dead right about that, I know Suphan a little and notwithstanding any and all criticisms of Banharn ( and they are real and justified ) he did listen to engineers and farmers whilst he was lining his pockets.

Compared to adjoining areas Suphan is quite stable and being flooded now is an indication of the extent of this disaster.

[philw]

It is also reported elsewhere (including English language unmentionable one) that the military do not want an SOE as they are worried they will take the blame if or when it all falls apart as they dont see any way anyone can fight such a force of nature. So the government dont and military dont, so no story bar poltical games by others. It would be good to stop such games at a time of crisis but unlikley to happen

It's entirely Yingluck's decision to make whether or not to declare a state of emergency.

while afaik your statement is accurate, how does it dispel hammered's analysis? (assuming that was the point of your post, of course...) I read his post as saying SOE stories are just part of scoring political points in a time of crisis and that this game (1) helps no one, and (2) is likely to continue. Do you agree with that, too?

This game indeed helps no one and sadly is likely to continue. Mind you being reasonable seems only to come naturally to some when they got caught out, or talked themselves in a corner. Now please excuse me, I have to check what my friend k. Jatuporn had to say today.

So glad Jatuporn is your friend, you compliment each other.