Thai Army Chief Prayuth, Democrats Oppose Taking Reds' Case To ICC

[rfukata]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

Agree totally.

There are no 'standards' of justice in Thailand. Look at the Germany incident when the Thai private Jet

was taken collateral for an unsettled debt by the government.

[philw]

They will have another coup to stop the truth coming out.

Unfortunately this one will not be pretty.

Your posts just get more and more rediculous!!!.

You mean ridiculous?

I warned of a coup about 6/7 years ago, wasn't taken seriously back then and look what happened.

"It will never happen again", "Thailand is past that sort of thing", etc, etc, etc.

Heard it all before but the leopard still hasn't changed its spots.

Sadly, I very much agree with you.

I think it's a certainty given a certain sequence of events.

Should they occur.

[scorecard]

Well no surprise about who would oppose the idea.

Whether it is practical or legally possible or not is another matter, but in the context of political conflict, recent articles on the deaths of the two journalists mentioning witness testimony that is going to be very very embarrassing to say the least to these two parties if it is as mentioned in respecatbale foreign media and the thai legal system being questioned heavily outside the country this just adds pressure and everyone knows Thaksins strategy of it doesnt have to be like this as we can all forgive each other.

Also slip it in with the anti-Thaksinistas fantasy of the floods wrecking the popualrity of PTP while delivering a huge boost to the Democrats having turned out to be yet another of their secret desires without any actual substance (PTP should give Sukhumband an honour for service rendered) as they now realise and we can see the game heating up again.

And then slip in the splits between the liberal and ulra-conservative anti-Thaksinistas that ole Abhisit is currently doing his best to try and paper over, it gets even more interesting.

And what about Thaksins war on drugs +2500 dead?

Bet the Ultra Red Shirtinistas would opose that 100%!!!!

It was a terrible thing, but was supported by nearly everyone in the country and for certain reasons absolutely no serious politician will take that anywhere near an international court as we have seen.

[scorecard]

Well no surprise about who would oppose the idea.

Whether it is practical or legally possible or not is another matter, but in the context of political conflict, recent articles on the deaths of the two journalists mentioning witness testimony that is going to be very very embarrassing to say the least to these two parties if it is as mentioned in respecatbale foreign media and the thai legal system being questioned heavily outside the country this just adds pressure and everyone knows Thaksins strategy of it doesnt have to be like this as we can all forgive each other.

Also slip it in with the anti-Thaksinistas fantasy of the floods wrecking the popualrity of PTP while delivering a huge boost to the Democrats having turned out to be yet another of their secret desires without any actual substance (PTP should give Sukhumband an honour for service rendered) as they now realise and we can see the game heating up again.

And then slip in the splits between the liberal and ulra-conservative anti-Thaksinistas that ole Abhisit is currently doing his best to try and paper over, it gets even more interesting.

And what about Thaksins war on drugs +2500 dead?

Bet the Ultra Red Shirtinistas would opose that 100%!!!!

It was a terrible thing, but was supported by nearly everyone in the country and for certain reasons absolutely no serious politician will take that anywhere near an international court as we have seen.

"..... but it was supported by nearly everybody in the country....." is not true.

Perhaps you'd like to explain your comment ".....and for certain reasons absolutely no serious politician will take that anywhere near an international court as we have seen."

And perhaps you'd like to mention that, in thaksins 'war on drugs' (actually his personal vendetta) not one druglord was touched. Is that perhaps a second reason why the reds etc would not want it taken to the internatinal court - the lack of conviction let alone questioning of any druglords (who are the drugs big boys in all countries) would look very embarrassing for the thaksin crowd.

[lannarebirth]

"..... but it was supported by nearly everybody in the country....." is not true.

Perhaps you'd like to explain your comment ".....and for certain reasons absolutely no serious politician will take that anywhere near an international court as we have seen."

Because the King commented that the death toll was much less than the number of people who would have died if drug dealers remained free. It's an untouchable topic basically.

And perhaps you'd like to mention that, in thaksins 'war on drugs' (actually his personal vendetta) not one druglord was touched. Is that perhaps a second reason why the reds etc would not want it taken to the internatinal court - the lack of conviction let alone questioning of any druglords (who are the drugs big boys in all countries) would look very embarrassing for the thaksin crowd.

Now that's a valid question to be sure.

[TAWP]

They will have another coup to stop the truth coming out.

Unfortunately this one will not be pretty.

Your posts just get more and more rediculous!!!.

You mean ridiculous?

I warned of a coup about 6/7 years ago, wasn't taken seriously back then and look what happened.

"It will never happen again", "Thailand is past that sort of thing", etc, etc, etc.

Heard it all before but the leopard still hasn't changed its spots.

I can only presume this was on another forum.

[SICHONSTEVE]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

Oberkommando, you are 110% right. Army is afraid of ICC.

About waste of tax money (churtz), the yellow shirts have wasted and stolen money for decades. Don't worry about this step of mr. Sunai.

"the yellow shirts have wasted and stolen money for decades".

Please tell me - just how could PAD have stolen money for decades when they only formed in February 2006!!!!!!!.

[pauljones]

"Thailand's internal justice system is working properly on the case, Army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha said.

Thailand's judicial system would lose credibility if government MPs took the case to the international court, said Prayuth."

I agree. The Army investigated itself. All those dead people walked into the bullets....Case closed.

[Arkady]

There have been several attempts to bring the case before the ICC but all have been unsuccessful as Thailand has not yet ratified a court treaty

If Red Shirt Pheu Thai MP Sunai plans to submit the case on December 9th, he'd better hurry up in getting the Rome Statute ratified by Parliament and approved before then.

Otherwise, he'll just look silly.

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It is ridiculous but the ICC has a process for accepting a case for consideration, even when defendant is not a signatory or has not yet ratified the treaty. Robert Amsterdam has already tried to file a case on this basis but the court didn't accept it for consideration and I imagine the same will happen here. If it did accept the case for consideration, it would eventually decide that it could not proceed with it because Thailand is not a member and there is no mandate from the UN to pursue a case relating to a non-member state, as there was for Gadaffi and still his for his son, Saif. Even if Thailand were a member, the ICC would probably not pursue a case because Thailand still has something that could pass for a justice system, if you don't look too closely at it, that should be capable of the doing the job. They have limited resources which they can't afford to fritter away on getting dragged into domestic quarrels.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Arkady

[yoshiwara]

"Thailand's internal justice system is working properly on the case, Army chief Prayuth Chan-ocha said.

Thailand's judicial system would lose credibility if government MPs took the case to the international court, said Prayuth."

I agree. The Army investigated itself. All those dead people walked into the bullets....Case closed.

Would that be the gun-toting black shirts firing from the red side you are referring to?

[backtonormal]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

A sentence od sanity amongst all this nonsense. As demonstrated recently when there was border skirmishes, Nobody wants outside interference from outside bodies because then the truth may prevail. To try to change all these threads (second post on here) to anti Thaksin is not working anymore and previous neutrals viewing this forum are now starting to realise.

[Buchholz]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

A sentence od sanity amongst all this nonsense. As demonstrated recently when there was border skirmishes, Nobody wants outside interference from outside bodies because then the truth may prevail. To try to change all these threads (second post on here) to anti Thaksin is not working anymore and previous neutrals viewing this forum are now starting to realise.

Oberkommando, neutral?

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[Thai at Heart]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

A sentence od sanity amongst all this nonsense. As demonstrated recently when there was border skirmishes, Nobody wants outside interference from outside bodies because then the truth may prevail. To try to change all these threads (second post on here) to anti Thaksin is not working anymore and previous neutrals viewing this forum are now starting to realise.

Armies the world over don't like being held to account by outside jurisdictions. The issue is that the Thai army isn't even accountable to it's domestic courts. They most definitely don't want a precedent created whereby their actions are judged by the ICC. But then again, they shouldn't be able to shoot their domestic population with legal immunity and no legal scrutiny.

Being above the law brings great responsibility about your role in society.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Thai at Heart

[hammered]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

A sentence od sanity amongst all this nonsense. As demonstrated recently when there was border skirmishes, Nobody wants outside interference from outside bodies because then the truth may prevail. To try to change all these threads (second post on here) to anti Thaksin is not working anymore and previous neutrals viewing this forum are now starting to realise.

The shift of neutrals away from the Dems and allies among the public is a significant move and one that may even see some try to reignite the PAD alternative democracy arguement.

[Thai at Heart]

As long as our domestic justice system is still working

It has never worked.

Taking this kind of case to the international arena is exactly what Thailand needs.

A sentence od sanity amongst all this nonsense. As demonstrated recently when there was border skirmishes, Nobody wants outside interference from outside bodies because then the truth may prevail. To try to change all these threads (second post on here) to anti Thaksin is not working anymore and previous neutrals viewing this forum are now starting to realise.

The shift of neutrals away from the Dems and allies among the public is a significant move and one that may even see some try to reignite the PAD alternative democracy arguement.

Read the book, got the t-shirt. Many countries aren't much different anyway, but at least they get the illusion of a vote. Under PAD "alternative democracy" (whatever, that means anyway), they wouldn't even get that.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Thai at Heart

[backtonormal]

If they done no wrong why are they afraid.????

Perhaps they are afraid of yet another Thai looking foolish on the world stage.

In this instance, for a politician to attempt to file a case for which he is not eligible to file.

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Nothing can be as silly as being told by the head of interpol ' move along son' when he was asked to get that Thaksin fella on terrorist charges LMFAO