Disqualified Red Shirt Leader Jatuporn Smells A Conspiracy

[webfact]

AFTER CENSURE MOTION

Jatuporn smells a conspiracy

THE NATION

Disqualified red-shirt leader vows to fight on -- inside or outside Parliament; warns of plot to destabilise the govt

Jatuporn Promphan made the expected threat yesterday that depriving him of his membership in the House of Representatives would only create new political problems. That may sound like a bluff, but the truth is, the embattled Pheu Thai MP remains a very hot potato.

The Constitution Court will have to tackle the sensitive issue after the Election Commission on Tuesday voted 4-1 to disqualify him as an MP on the ground that he did not vote in the July 3 general election. If this had been election time, the EC's vote would have been final. Now there's no escaping Jatuporn as far as the court is concerned.

The EC's ruling is expected to rest briefly with the House before it is forwarded to the Constitution Court. The Pheu Thai-controlled chamber could try to buy time for him, but since the case is about legal interpretation, there is not much time to buy. Even Jatuporn himself asked the House Speaker to move quickly in sending the EC ruling to the court.

"I believe the EC ruling happened under suspicious circumstances," he said. "Some people see my working as an MP as a big obstacle. All I can say is that I can be a bigger obstacle not being an MP."

Jatuporn, who failed to cast his vote on July 3 because of his remand detention, insisted that his disqualification was unfair because he wanted to vote.

Before the general election, Jatuporn had had his bail revoked because of his controversial political comments. His election bid prompted EC member Sodsri Satayathum to warn about his qualification issue and he had, therefore, attached her opinion in the application to seek temporary release. The application was rejected.

He said he suspected his opponents had conspired to remove him from office. He called on the EC and the Office of the House Speaker to expedite the judicial review so that he could present his defence in the high court.

Sodsri was the minority voice in the EC's 4-1 vote on Tuesday, arguing that Jatuporn had expressed his intent to exercise his voting right in the July 3 election. The majority commissioners insisted the law was clear about MPs having to be free of incarceration on election day.

The Constitution Court will have to weigh between Jatuporn's clear-cut absence on election day and the fact that he did try to get temporary release so he could vote.

Jatuporn said his opponents might not stop at just seeing his political destruction, hinting at a broader campaign to undermine the red-shirt movement and dissolve the Pheu Thai Party.

"I believe the masterminds of such a campaign would soon be unmasked," he said.

Even though his opponents might fear the damage he could inflict as an MP, he could cause greater problems working outside Parliament, he warned.

He said opponents might have opted for other ways to oust the Yingluck Shinawatra government after the recent censure debate failed to make a dent.

He said he would continue to spearhead the campaign for justice regardless of his job status.

Despite what might happen to him, he said he and the red shirts would continue to act as the shield for the Yingluck government and the vanguard for democracy.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice that Jatuporn was disqualified while a man "who dodged the military conscription and ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office. He was making a veiled attack on Democrat Party leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Red-shirt leader Thida Thawornseth said her movement would campaign to repeal the Constitution and other legislation enacted after the 2006 coup.

Jatuporn's lawyer Winyat Chartmontri said he was not surprised with the disqualification order.

He said his client could carry on doing his job pending the completion of the judicial review.

Deputy House Speaker Charoen Chankomol said he expected the EC to forward its ruling on Jatuporn within 30 days. The Office of the House Speaker would check on the ruling before petitioning for the judicial review, he said.

-- The Nation 2011-12-01

[jonclark]

Jeez, Jatuporn change the record please, "masterman" "invisible hand", "conspiracy", you're starting to sound like one of those whacked out LSD casualties that thinks Roswell is full of aliens, the moon landings never happened and the transformers are real.

[FOODLOVER]

Jeez, Jatuporn change the record please, "masterman" "invisible hand", "conspiracy", you're starting to sound like one of those whacked out LSD casualties that thinks Roswell is full of aliens, the moon landings never happened and the transformers are real.

If it wasn't for the Autobots you would be speaking Decepticon right now!

Edited December 1, 2011 by FOODLOVER

[nong38]

He should know all about conspiracies and plots. Support your local plot

[schuimpje]

He, as usual, handsomely forgets that he was out on bail before the elections.In a normal world as a normal person, being able to carry responsibilities and to plan and think ahead, he could have stayed out on bail by avoiding to breach the clear conditions set.

But it's the typical Jatuporn, crying out that everyone is soo unfair to him, only to him..

[Roadman]

It is amazing that this person is even in parliament. He should be in chains. At least his lawyer has the intelligence to access his position correctly.

If Yingluck had any sense she would use this guild edge opportunity to get rid of him.

Its a pity she could not get the same opportunity with Chalerm. And judging by MP Kokaew Pikulthong's comments above a few more axed would do her and Pheu Thai's credibility a lot of good.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Roadman

[draftvader]

Yeah yeah yeah, conspiracy, whatever. What I want to know is, who advised him on that jacket? Really? A big man should NOT wear short lapels. He should talk to the man on his right and find out where his tailor is.

[WhizBang]

Jatuporn smells a conspiracy

Na... Jatuporn just smells.

[abcz9]

Jeez, Jatuporn change the record please, "masterman" "invisible hand", "conspiracy", you're starting to sound like one of those whacked out LSD casualties that thinks Roswell is full of aliens, the moon landings never happened and the transformers are real.

how can you belive the u .s.a. the biggest b.s ever.

Edited December 1, 2011 by webfact
quote fixed /Admin

[OzMick]

"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

[elgato]

What does a conspiracy smell like?

[mca]

What does a conspiracy smell like?

Slightly nutty with a hint of sandalwood and elderberries

[Insight]

Yeah yeah yeah, conspiracy, whatever. What I want to know is, who advised him on that jacket? Really? A big man should NOT wear short lapels. He should talk to the man on his right and find out where his tailor is.

[geriatrickid]

Jatuporn smells a conspiracy

Na... Jatuporn just smells.

I would hope so, as being deprived of functioning olfactory capabilities, the ability to smell, is a terrible medical condition.

[animatic]

He certainly knows his conspiracies. From the inside no doubt..

[hammered]

"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

There a lot of up country people and a fair few urban ones who agree with Kokaew. How you see things depends pon where your sympoathies lie. Even though people may not agree with his sentiment to dismiss it or laugh it off is to miss a very critical political problem and one that there will be no meaningful reconcilliation without addressing. Reconcilliation is somthing that will not be achieved on the terms of the small minority that wont under any terms take Thaksin back (and they dont want him coming anywhere near a Thai jail cell). Thaksin is a far more powerful player than Abhisit or any other politician past or present in Thailand. That doesnt make himn right or wrong but central to resolving the current political divisions or establishing reconcilliation. Luckily most Thai people unlike many expats understand this and any resolution will be accepted by a huge majority if it is worked out and the extremists who wont accept it will be such a small minority they will be irrelevent. This is actually the fear of the ultra-nationalists wqho know they dont have numbers and that a huge number will go along with a deal as they just want it all over and understand it wont be over until a deal is reached or Thaksin wins which could take a long time.

[EyesWideOpen]

Let's see......If I stood in front of a crowd and told them to burn down all the city hall buildings in the north, Thailand would put me in jail for a hundred years . Jatuporn does that, and is a MP as a reward. Sometimes I think Thailand is some kind of weird parallel universe, where up is down.

[animatic]

"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

Is this the wrong transliteration of "Kokaew Pikulthong"?

Maybe more aptly Co-cow Pickletongue.

Yes, always that spurious 91 number, sounds worse than the truthful numbers in question. These guys don't know when letting a sleeping dog lye is the best policy. Always whining on about conspiracies against them, yet they are the font of dozens of conspiracies themselves.

Masters of Hypocrisy, on all fronts, on all days.

Edited December 1, 2011 by animatic

[hyperdimension]

warns of plot to destabilise the govt

Look who's talking! "Plot to destabilize the government" was exactly what he and his Red Shirt leaders did against the Democrat-led government in the guise of fighting for democracy and justice.

[FOODLOVER]

What does a conspiracy smell like?

Slightly nutty with a hint of sandalwood and elderberries

HAHHA

[Buchholz]

It is amazing that this person is even in parliament. He should be in chains.

If only to make him giddy with delight

[AleG]

warns of plot to destabilise the govt

Look who's talking! "Plot to destabilize the government" was exactly what he and his Red Shirt leaders did against the Democrat-led government in the guise of fighting for democracy and justice.

There's a saying in my country, more or less it goes like "A crook believes everybody else is a crook".

There a lot of up country people and a fair few urban ones who agree with Kokaew. How you see things depends pon where your sympoathies lie. Even though people may not agree with his sentiment to dismiss it or laugh it off is to miss a very critical political problem and one that there will be no meaningful reconcilliation without addressing. Reconcilliation is somthing that will not be achieved on the terms of the small minority that wont under any terms take Thaksin back (and they dont want him coming anywhere near a Thai jail cell). Thaksin is a far more powerful player than Abhisit or any other politician past or present in Thailand. That doesnt make himn right or wrong but central to resolving the current political divisions or establishing reconcilliation. Luckily most Thai people unlike many expats understand this and any resolution will be accepted by a huge majority if it is worked out and the extremists who wont accept it will be such a small minority they will be irrelevent. This is actually the fear of the ultra-nationalists wqho know they dont have numbers and that a huge number will go along with a deal as they just want it all over and understand it wont be over until a deal is reached or Thaksin wins which could take a long time.

So it's fine to lie if a lot of people believe you, OK.

Edited December 1, 2011 by AleG

[Buchholz]

Yeah yeah yeah, conspiracy, whatever. What I want to know is, who advised him on that jacket? Really? A big man should NOT wear short lapels. He should talk to the man on his right and find out where his tailor is.

Perhaps it won't be such an issue soon if he enjoys the same free benefits his fellow Red Shirt Leader did...

The very positive and healthy benefits of the Bangkok Remand Prison Obesity Reduction Program that Red Shirt Leader Natthawut enjoyed and benefited from.

Before:

After:

[Xonax]

"Some people see my working as an MP as a big obstacle. All I can say is that I can be a bigger obstacle not being an MP."

No doubt - We saw that last year already!

[Mosha]

warns of plot to destabilise the govt

Look who's talking! "Plot to destabilize the government" was exactly what he and his Red Shirt leaders did against the Democrat-led government in the guise of fighting for democracy and justice.

There's a saying in my country, more or less it goes like "A crook believes everybody else is a crook".

There a lot of up country people and a fair few urban ones who agree with Kokaew. How you see things depends pon where your sympoathies lie. Even though people may not agree with his sentiment to dismiss it or laugh it off is to miss a very critical political problem and one that there will be no meaningful reconcilliation without addressing. Reconcilliation is somthing that will not be achieved on the terms of the small minority that wont under any terms take Thaksin back (and they dont want him coming anywhere near a Thai jail cell). Thaksin is a far more powerful player than Abhisit or any other politician past or present in Thailand. That doesnt make himn right or wrong but central to resolving the current political divisions or establishing reconcilliation. Luckily most Thai people unlike many expats understand this and any resolution will be accepted by a huge majority if it is worked out and the extremists who wont accept it will be such a small minority they will be irrelevent. This is actually the fear of the ultra-nationalists wqho know they dont have numbers and that a huge number will go along with a deal as they just want it all over and understand it wont be over until a deal is reached or Thaksin wins which could take a long time.

So it's fine to lie if a lot of people believe you, OK.

If you repeat a lie often enough, it becomes the truth.

Edited December 1, 2011 by Mosha

[OzMick]

"All I can say is that I can be a bigger obstacle not being an MP."

He seems to have forgotten that the only reason he is not in the Hilton is his MP status; bail revoked and facing numerous serious charges.

Perhaps he thinks that with his paymaster's sister as PM and his BIL as CoP, that these charges will just evaporate. If he loses his seat there will be 2 red leaders waiting trial, which puts PTP in an invidious position - to drop or fail to pursue the charges despite clear evidence of wrong-doing, or prosecute and face the ire of his followers.

If they allow charges before the court to proceed, what do they do if he, or the other, decides to come clean about the origin of his orders, and the full extent of what they entailed?

Edited December 1, 2011 by OzMick

[hellodolly]

"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

There a lot of up country people and a fair few urban ones who agree with Kokaew. How you see things depends pon where your sympoathies lie. Even though people may not agree with his sentiment to dismiss it or laugh it off is to miss a very critical political problem and one that there will be no meaningful reconcilliation without addressing. Reconcilliation is somthing that will not be achieved on the terms of the small minority that wont under any terms take Thaksin back (and they dont want him coming anywhere near a Thai jail cell). Thaksin is a far more powerful player than Abhisit or any other politician past or present in Thailand. That doesnt make himn right or wrong but central to resolving the current political divisions or establishing reconcilliation. Luckily most Thai people unlike many expats understand this and any resolution will be accepted by a huge majority if it is worked out and the extremists who wont accept it will be such a small minority they will be irrelevent. This is actually the fear of the ultra-nationalists wqho know they dont have numbers and that a huge number will go along with a deal as they just want it all over and understand it wont be over until a deal is reached or Thaksin wins which could take a long time.

Sorry but I fail to see how bringing Thaksin back will bring about reconciliation. While the majority will accept it they will be doing it just to put an end to the bickering.

Remember the majority voted against the PT and of those that did vote for them some actually believed that the PT would do a good job. And some were just voting against Abhist. The truth of the matter is only a small minority think he will bring about reconciliation and most of them that think that way also think that they will get 300 baht a day working in the rice field.

To bring Thaksin back free and clear of all charges and a pardon will only deepen the rift. It will also send the message that as far as the PT is concerned corruption is OK and to hold some one accountable is politically motivated the rule of law does not apply to politicians who are corrupt.

[craigt3365]

One post alluding to violence has been removed from view, along with a few associated replies.

[hammered]

"Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong said he viewed it as injustice those who "ordered the killings of 91 people" could remain in office."

PTP, MP's, red shorts and their TVF sycophants maintain the big lie - that 91 people were killed by the RTA on orders of the government. That total include members of the Thai military, and innocent bystanders killed by M-79 grenade and RPG attacks, weapons which a red-shirt has admitted to using.

If someone wishes to lay the blame for all 91 deaths, it certainly goes to the person who ordered, organised and funded the BKK insurrection, and he is no longer in office.

There a lot of up country people and a fair few urban ones who agree with Kokaew. How you see things depends pon where your sympoathies lie. Even though people may not agree with his sentiment to dismiss it or laugh it off is to miss a very critical political problem and one that there will be no meaningful reconcilliation without addressing. Reconcilliation is somthing that will not be achieved on the terms of the small minority that wont under any terms take Thaksin back (and they dont want him coming anywhere near a Thai jail cell). Thaksin is a far more powerful player than Abhisit or any other politician past or present in Thailand. That doesnt make himn right or wrong but central to resolving the current political divisions or establishing reconcilliation. Luckily most Thai people unlike many expats understand this and any resolution will be accepted by a huge majority if it is worked out and the extremists who wont accept it will be such a small minority they will be irrelevent. This is actually the fear of the ultra-nationalists wqho know they dont have numbers and that a huge number will go along with a deal as they just want it all over and understand it wont be over until a deal is reached or Thaksin wins which could take a long time.

Sorry but I fail to see how bringing Thaksin back will bring about reconciliation. While the majority will accept it they will be doing it just to put an end to the bickering.

Remember the majority voted against the PT and of those that did vote for them some actually believed that the PT would do a good job. And some were just voting against Abhist. The truth of the matter is only a small minority think he will bring about reconciliation and most of them that think that way also think that they will get 300 baht a day working in the rice field.

To bring Thaksin back free and clear of all charges and a pardon will only deepen the rift. It will also send the message that as far as the PT is concerned corruption is OK and to hold some one accountable is politically motivated the rule of law does not apply to politicians who are corrupt.

An end to the bickering is what reconcilliation is about. The group that utterly hates Thaksin and doesnt want him anywhere near the country (and certainly not in a jail cell) are actully quite small albeit powerful and capable or rousing a bit of hatred in a bigger minority. Thaksin is popular though. Very popular and I seriously doubt anyone except Thaksin/PTP and the reds would want to run a real up or down vote on him coming back. That I see is the main problem for charter change. It will be the Thaksin back or not referendum and his opponents would go utterly insane over this. His very very real and enduring popularity is something that is hated.

[webfact]

PM refuses to comment on Jatuporn's dismissal of his MP status by the EC /TANN