Probe Of Japanese Cameraman's Death Is Worrying

[monkfish]

Goldankauf

You are right. Non of the redshirts or blackshirts had weapons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgl_cgEmzxA&feature=related

As regrettable as the death is of the Japanese Journo, it is clear from these photo's and the videos you will find on youtube and elsewhere on the internet that being around these people in Bangkok was a very dangerous place to be. The possible consequences would always have been apparent to a professional.

Thanks for the Video it kind of brings back memories of 2010 yet it does seams a little bias!

If I remember correctly most of the pictures of Red Shirts with weapons in the video were taken outside the the Satellite headquarters after the Red Shirt TV station had been taken down and was easily retaken by the Red shirts after soldiers decided to gas themselves? This was of course before anyone had yet been killed. I believe most of the images displayed are the weapons retrieved from soldiers after the insident? Including what appears to be an Anti Aircraft type weapon or at very least its large calibre which one wouldn't expect to use against civilians in a protest. At the end of the day all these issues have to be brought to light in a transparent investigation similar the one Abhisit promised 1.5 years ago but never happened.

Edited December 5, 2011 by monkfish

[Gonsalviz]

Regardless of who did what, the country's justice system must stay the course. No matter how far from perfection it may be, we must respect the law and use it as the one and only source of equilibrium to bring justice to those behind the violence, regardless of whether they are red, yellow or the military.

And there has been the problem right back to 2001 when Thaksin and his plants and thugs have over rid, brought or threatened justice and the law at every turn. Same thieves, thugs and criminals in control now so nothing is different - justice and the law in Thailand are a joke when this governing lot are anywhere near it.

Don't know where you hail from but I can tell you the politicians in the USA pass laws that make the Constitution look like a very weak document. States rights do not exist anymore.

[hammered]

This death took place at a political event in a highly charged and confrontational time. The actions of the government at that time in both how they handled events and how and who they decided to investigate were poltical. The actions of those conducting the event were poltical. Now the government has changed and in a political decision the new government have decided to pursue issues not pursued before. Why is anyone surprised? The truth is the state killed a bunch of people as did some non-state actors. Why not try to get to the bottom of it. Chalerm is an odious poltical hatchet man. That doesnt mena everything he says is wrong. And when Suthep was busy accusing the reds of killing everyone and saying the state killed nobody as he initially did, was that an accurate statement. Why would an investigation under Suthep etc be any better than one under Chalerm. However, with info from both we may justr get a better chance to get a glimpse of reality than with just propaganda from one only, and two international reproters were killed and the world media arent going to put up with a line of obvious BS as Suthep has already found out and hopefully this will give Chalerm something to think about too

Yes Im sure there are those very worried about accusations against the military as the military has a habit of being mostly unaccountable and in previous times off limit to attack. However, times have changed and few would deny the military are also a big political player with their own interests who have been quite overt in recent years. This could be messy politically but things do seem to have gone to a level where finding common ground will be difficult vbut there is always the we can forgive each other. Now who was it who sid this? And that was a political statement too

[whybother]

This death took place at a political event in a highly charged and confrontational time. The actions of the government at that time in both how they handled events and how and who they decided to investigate were poltical. The actions of those conducting the event were poltical. Now the government has changed and in a political decision the new government have decided to pursue issues not pursued before. Why is anyone surprised? The truth is the state killed a bunch of people as did some non-state actors. Why not try to get to the bottom of it. Chalerm is an odious poltical hatchet man. That doesnt mena everything he says is wrong. And when Suthep was busy accusing the reds of killing everyone and saying the state killed nobody as he initially did, was that an accurate statement. Why would an investigation under Suthep etc be any better than one under Chalerm. However, with info from both we may justr get a better chance to get a glimpse of reality than with just propaganda from one only, and two international reproters were killed and the world media arent going to put up with a line of obvious BS as Suthep has already found out and hopefully this will give Chalerm something to think about too

Yes Im sure there are those very worried about accusations against the military as the military has a habit of being mostly unaccountable and in previous times off limit to attack. However, times have changed and few would deny the military are also a big political player with their own interests who have been quite overt in recent years. This could be messy politically but things do seem to have gone to a level where finding common ground will be difficult vbut there is always the we can forgive each other. Now who was it who sid this? And that was a political statement too

"Why not try to get to the bottom of it."

It would be good if they got to the bottom of it, but you can bet that there won't be much in the way of investigating the other side of the issue.

[hammered]

This death took place at a political event in a highly charged and confrontational time. The actions of the government at that time in both how they handled events and how and who they decided to investigate were poltical. The actions of those conducting the event were poltical. Now the government has changed and in a political decision the new government have decided to pursue issues not pursued before. Why is anyone surprised? The truth is the state killed a bunch of people as did some non-state actors. Why not try to get to the bottom of it. Chalerm is an odious poltical hatchet man. That doesnt mena everything he says is wrong. And when Suthep was busy accusing the reds of killing everyone and saying the state killed nobody as he initially did, was that an accurate statement. Why would an investigation under Suthep etc be any better than one under Chalerm. However, with info from both we may justr get a better chance to get a glimpse of reality than with just propaganda from one only, and two international reproters were killed and the world media arent going to put up with a line of obvious BS as Suthep has already found out and hopefully this will give Chalerm something to think about too

Yes Im sure there are those very worried about accusations against the military as the military has a habit of being mostly unaccountable and in previous times off limit to attack. However, times have changed and few would deny the military are also a big political player with their own interests who have been quite overt in recent years. This could be messy politically but things do seem to have gone to a level where finding common ground will be difficult vbut there is always the we can forgive each other. Now who was it who sid this? And that was a political statement too

"Why not try to get to the bottom of it."

It would be good if they got to the bottom of it, but you can bet that there won't be much in the way of investigating the other side of the issue.

The outome will likely be poltical in nature whatever it is. Even if (and this is an if) the investigation did get to the bottom of things there would be loads of people who wouldnt beleive the outcome because of the politics. Change the government and it is equally true. However, in this case the interesting thing will be how the international media and the Japanese government take the investigation.

[sparebox2]

Let by gone be by gone.

Diging up the past will not bring the jap back to life. Sometime, the truth are best kept in the dark. So no one else will get hurt.

Mark made a wrong call, and I am sure many of us would have made the same wrong call for the use of life bullets.

[TAWP]

This death took place at a political event in a highly charged and confrontational time. The actions of the government at that time in both how they handled events and how and who they decided to investigate were poltical. The actions of those conducting the event were poltical. Now the government has changed and in a political decision the new government have decided to pursue issues not pursued before. Why is anyone surprised? The truth is the state killed a bunch of people as did some non-state actors. Why not try to get to the bottom of it. Chalerm is an odious poltical hatchet man. That doesnt mena everything he says is wrong. And when Suthep was busy accusing the reds of killing everyone and saying the state killed nobody as he initially did, was that an accurate statement. Why would an investigation under Suthep etc be any better than one under Chalerm. However, with info from both we may justr get a better chance to get a glimpse of reality than with just propaganda from one only, and two international reproters were killed and the world media arent going to put up with a line of obvious BS as Suthep has already found out and hopefully this will give Chalerm something to think about too

Yes Im sure there are those very worried about accusations against the military as the military has a habit of being mostly unaccountable and in previous times off limit to attack. However, times have changed and few would deny the military are also a big political player with their own interests who have been quite overt in recent years. This could be messy politically but things do seem to have gone to a level where finding common ground will be difficult vbut there is always the we can forgive each other. Now who was it who sid this? And that was a political statement too

How is going to the ICC with charges against ONE side any attempt to GO TO THE BOTTOM with anything?

[rubl]

Private investigative report on Japanese cameraman sent

The Nation

December 6, 2011 10:41 am

Police have received a private investigative report on a Japanese cameraman killed last April in connection with the political mayhem, Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung said on Tuesday.

Reuters has commissioned the report on the death of cameraman Hiroyuki Muramoto who covered the April 10 anti-riot operations for the news agency, Chalerm said.

"I believe Reuters did not share the report with the previous government because of differing opinions on the cause of death," he said.

He said the report had 60 pages drawn a similar conclusion to the police inquiry that state officials were suspected to have involved in the killing of Muramoto.

-- The Nation 2011-12-06

[Macmundi]

Reporter casualty happens in every war. The emergency decree was enforced so basically anyone in the war zone must accept the consequences. News reporters included. Unless they are bullet proof.

[hammered]

This death took place at a political event in a highly charged and confrontational time. The actions of the government at that time in both how they handled events and how and who they decided to investigate were poltical. The actions of those conducting the event were poltical. Now the government has changed and in a political decision the new government have decided to pursue issues not pursued before. Why is anyone surprised? The truth is the state killed a bunch of people as did some non-state actors. Why not try to get to the bottom of it. Chalerm is an odious poltical hatchet man. That doesnt mena everything he says is wrong. And when Suthep was busy accusing the reds of killing everyone and saying the state killed nobody as he initially did, was that an accurate statement. Why would an investigation under Suthep etc be any better than one under Chalerm. However, with info from both we may justr get a better chance to get a glimpse of reality than with just propaganda from one only, and two international reproters were killed and the world media arent going to put up with a line of obvious BS as Suthep has already found out and hopefully this will give Chalerm something to think about too

Yes Im sure there are those very worried about accusations against the military as the military has a habit of being mostly unaccountable and in previous times off limit to attack. However, times have changed and few would deny the military are also a big political player with their own interests who have been quite overt in recent years. This could be messy politically but things do seem to have gone to a level where finding common ground will be difficult vbut there is always the we can forgive each other. Now who was it who sid this? And that was a political statement too

How is going to the ICC with charges against ONE side any attempt to GO TO THE BOTTOM with anything?

I thought i was talking about politics and not the ICC

Anywya it seems on a poltical note that this along with a few other things has seen some movement judging from the Nations overly cryptic attempt at what Chalerm has been saying re red and green, which brings us back to its all about politics really. The Abhisit side did their best to demonize balme, charge the reds and ignore everything else. Now PTP are evening things up in their own drive leaving a middle line more accpetable to all. Truth of course is something no major player in this wants to come out

[aaacorp]

We all know that someone sent those guys to help the army