Thaksin Passport Takes Us Out Of The Water, Into The Fire:

[tlansford]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

should, but don't. Nixon pardoned by his former VP, and more up-to-date, this :

Chirac guilty of embezzlement, but avoids jail

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

There's an Israeli chap, former president, Moshe Katsav, just gone in pokey for rape. He was offered a plea bargain to avoid jail but took his chances in a court.

wow, ... pretty amazing.

[billd766]

If anyone thinks this bunch in power cares the least bit what the Thai public thinks I have some swamp land in South Thailand for sale

Sold

I will pay you billions in Monopoly money and build an airport on the swamp.

After all it has been done already in Thailand.

[animatic]

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Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

[billd766]

he will be back and do no time in prison , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countries have the democracy so why not Thailand. i for one along with millions of Thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdoch's influence in there some where.

In fact he wasn't even legally the caretaker prime Minister.

He had called an election and couldn't get enough votes and MPs to form a government, dallied too long and ran out of time to organise another election.

He went to the King and formally resigned as Prime Minister and took a short break in April 2006 and was replaced by Surakiart Sathirathai (I think was his name)

but took back the PM ship again.

When he was in New York and the coup occurred he was still legally not the PM of Thailand as he had not returned to the King to be confirmed as the caretaker PM.

Thaksin also said and often quoted "Democracy is not my aim".

He was charged and went to trial under a law that was existing during his term of government and convicted under a government of the PPP run by his brother in law.

Google it, it is not difficult.

Are you saying therefore that any legally convicted criminal who skipped bail and ran from the country should be forgiven and ANY OTHER charges against him should be dropped.

I for one farang and also many millions of Thai's will be sad that he has his passport back and will be returning to Thailand in the near future?

[tlansford]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

[WarpSpeed]

I thought that should read out of the frying pan into the fire, what ever, it sure is about to get interesting.

I would think that one just escaped from the crocodile and into the Tigers path too beings crocs inhabit water and tigers land, instead of the other way round.. But TiT .

[scorecard]

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

How simplistic. Maybe you could add some logic and analysis to your comment.

[scorecard]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

So you think the argument should be about benefits.

What about discussion of the appropriate laws, or do you believe, like many red apologists that the law should be just forgotten when it suits your purposes.

Funny stuff considering that the pt / reds campaigned at rajarprasong and in the election run up about quality democracy, respect for the , equal application of the law.

[Roadman]

he will be back and do no time in prison , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countries have the democracy so why not Thailand. i for one along with millions of Thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdoch's influence in there some where.

In fact he wasn't even legally the caretaker prime Minister.

He had called an election and couldn't get enough votes and MPs to form a government, dallied too long and ran out of time to organise another election.

He went to the King and formally resigned as Prime Minister and took a short break in April 2006 and was replaced by Surakiart Sathirathai (I think was his name)

but took back the PM ship again.

When he was in New York and the coup occurred he was still legally not the PM of Thailand as he had not returned to the King to be confirmed as the caretaker PM.

Thaksin also said and often quoted "Democracy is not my aim".

He was charged and went to trial under a law that was existing during his term of government and convicted under a government of the PPP run by his brother in law.

Google it, it is not difficult.

Are you saying therefore that any legally convicted criminal who skipped bail and ran from the country should be forgiven and ANY OTHER charges against him should be dropped.

I for one farang and also many millions of Thai's will be sad that he has his passport back and will be returning to Thailand in the near future?

Now settle down. You can't go telling the truth like that to the convicted criminals followers.

Edited to add: The bit I love the most is "convicted under a government of the PPP run by his brother in law"

Edited December 18, 2011 by Roadman

[tlansford]

Qq

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

So you think the argument should be about benefits.

What about discussion of the appropriate laws, or do you believe, like many red apologists that the law should be just forgotten when it suits your purposes.

Funny stuff considering that the pt / reds campaigned at rajarprasong and in the election run up about quality democracy, respect for the , equal application of the law.

1) not a red apologist

2) giving Thaksin a passport is breaking which laws?

3) I don't care what the argument is about. if Thaksin's having a Thai passport doesn't change anything, then <deleted> are all of you posters talking about here besides satisfying the daily requirement to vent anger and indignation on TVF?

[rixalex]

1) not a red apologist

As stated on another thread, that argument would be much more convincing if, on occasions such as these, when the current red backed government lies through its teeth, you came out and voiced some degree of disagreement with that act. You do not. Instead you laugh.

2) giving Thaksin a passport is breaking which laws?

Personally delivering passports to convicted felons on the run breaks the law of simple common sense. Yes it might be legal, but does it make any sense? i don't think to sane law-abiding people it does.

3) I don't care what the argument is about. if Thaksin's having a Thai passport doesn't change anything, then <deleted> are all of you posters talking about here besides satisfying the daily requirement to vent anger and indignation on TVF?

See above.

[techboy]

Thaksin passport takes us out of the fire, into the water

It's about time. Just as I said would happen after the jealous thieves pulled the illegal coup. Nothing but up from here for Thailand. And to all of you who said I was wrong, let the jealousy begin. I have only seen half it,,,,, but I have heard it all.

Do you actually think that your post was intelligible?

[Crushdepth]

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

The issue is that the *government* has issued a passport *in secret* to a *criminal fugitive*. They have a duty to catch him but instead they are aiding his movements and lying to the public about it. Is that acceptable practice for a government where you come from?

[tlansford]

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

The issue is that the *government* has issued a passport *in secret* to a *criminal fugitive*. They have a duty to catch him but instead they are aiding his movements and lying to the public about it. Is that acceptable practice for a government where you come from?

The government where I come from has done much worse than that.

More to your other points, the "government" in this case, I believe is actually, the government. As for "in secret", no reports have mentioned meeting or breaking disclosure regulations. But certainly the charade of the last month was completely unnecessary. Lying is definitely applicable here. Aiding his movements - uh for that one, I don't agree that having a Thai passport helps him travel to any country other than Thailand which is something he has vowed not to do as long as there is no reconciliation (ie: he won't go to prison).

This editorial about frying pan into the fire is just political hyperbole over a non-issue.

[pauljones]

The Nation (FOX News of Thailand) always amuses me. They seem to think military coups are good. Elections bad.

[rixalex]

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

The issue is that the *government* has issued a passport *in secret* to a *criminal fugitive*. They have a duty to catch him but instead they are aiding his movements and lying to the public about it. Is that acceptable practice for a government where you come from?

The government where I come from has done much worse than that.

The question was not, "has your government done worse?", the question was, "would that be acceptable practice?"

And just because a government does something, does not make it acceptable.

[pauljones]

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

The issue is that the *government* has issued a passport *in secret* to a *criminal fugitive*. They have a duty to catch him but instead they are aiding his movements and lying to the public about it. Is that acceptable practice for a government where you come from?

What about that guy the Army appointed PM after they illegally threw Thaksin out?

Didn't he get caught with a home illegally built in a National Park?

He didn't go to court.

How do you feel about that?

[metisdead]

A post has been deleted for failure to use quote function leading to misunderstanding of who posted what.

[caribbeanman]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

Hahahahahahahahhahahhahah, please don't be naive.

[rixalex]

The Nation (FOX News of Thailand) always amuses me. They seem to think military coups are good. Elections bad.

Yes, yes, yes, we are always being told what trash The Nation produces, but invariably, as you demonstrate, the "argument" is made simply on the basis of something along the lines of, "The Nation is yellow propaganda". Not an argument at all in fact.

Just for once, it would be nice for the argument to be based on, "here are a list of reasons why i disagree with this article". I mean, if the article is trash, shooting it down in flames should be a simple task. Go on, give it a go.

Perhaps if you raise your game, so will The Nation. Can hear the editor now: "no, we can't possibly publish that... that Paul Jones fellow on Thai Visa will rip it, piece by piece, error by error to shreds".

[rixalex]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

Hahahahahahahahhahahhahah, please don't be naive.

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

[caribbeanman]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

Hahahahahahahahhahahhahah, please don't be naive.

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

Edited December 18, 2011 by caribbeanman

[MEL1]

There are a few missing points here:

First. It isn't the fact of a worry that the passport has been re-issued, it is what's behind it that counts.

Second. If Thaksin is granted a government pardon, then his return will be imminent.

Third. We know the outcome of the second, and civil war will be a true reality.

Fourth. More importantly, for those farangs who have little experience here and welcome him back blindly, you need to understand that Thaksin does not like farangs. He despises them, and all they stand for - pertinently 'DEMOCRACY'.

Fifth. For all; nobody expected such bad, extensive and unimagined floods. Be prepared for extended, bad civil war in this country like you couldn't imagine!

-mel.

[rixalex]

He didn't say "do", he said "should", and the moment people simply accept them getting away with it, and the moment people like you, mock others for expecting that they shouldn't be allowed to, is the moment when things get even worse.

Hahahhahhahahhahhahhahaha, wow, many of the members of this forum have a real fertile imagination

Other members specialise in trotting out silly meaningless one-liners with smilies.

[Pi Sek]

I'm of course totally against the idea of government officials sending travel documents in diplomatic envoys to a convicted fugitive, in Thailand or anywhere else. But others aren't - I find this curious, but I'll put it down to a lack of intellect on my part.

I suppose if there's no civil unrest, there shouldn't be a problem. I do hope that's the case.

Edited December 18, 2011 by Pi Sek

[473geo]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Actually a good point, because until the fact that Thaksin has a Thai passport facilitates any noticable change, to anything that goes on in the world, or more specifically in Thailand.......it really is a non event.....

It is the next moves that will determine the future of Thailand, not a simple returning of the passport........

[MAJIC]

he will be back and do no time in prision , any Democratic leader ousted in a Coup should have that right. All western countires have the democracy so why not thiland. i for one along with millions of thais will be happy he has his passport back and does return home. the nation is so biased, must have Murdochs infulence in there some where.

Democratic leaders that break the law still should go to jail.

should, but don't. Nixon pardoned by his former VP, and more up-to-date, this :

Chirac guilty of embezzlement, but avoids jail

At the moment, I cannot think of a single former Head of State in a democracy who has served time in jail ...

Totally irrelevant ,

Two wrongs do not make a right!

And comparisons with other Countries former Heads of State,does not excuse the lawbreaker.

In any Court of Law,such an argument would not be acceptable, as a plea.

Edited December 18, 2011 by MAJIC

[Verndaddy]

Qq

Is it really such a big deal Thaksin gets his Thai passport back? All sorts of people have passports after all.

Good point. Have not seen a single report that explains what technical difference this makes.

A rather lame point actually. And irrelevant.

Actually a good point, because until the fact that Thaksin has a Thai passport facilitates any noticable change, to anything that goes on in the world, or more specifically in Thailand.......it really is a non event.....

It is the next moves that will determine the future of Thailand, not a simple returning of the passport........

Any of you aware of who Taksin's biggest campaign contributors were in past elections?

[AleG]

Animatic, you take the time to inform yourself. Have you seen any information that describes the technical benefits Thaksin receives due to the reissuing of his passport?

IMO that is the only thing that could be relevant, the rest is just the politicians talking/lying among themselves and to the people.

I think you are looking at it through the mirror glass. The question is why Thaksin, that waxed poetical in that letter he has his PR department write,about not doing things that would further polarize Thai society, if there's no benefit for him in having a Thai passport then why did he ask for it?

Because if there's no "technical benefit" for him, and its obviously an action, specially carried out the way it was, that would push "reconciliation" back several steps then why do it?

[EyesWideOpen]

Any smart person knows the correct way to give bad news to lesser people, is to do it bit by bit. That way , in small doses they can get used to the idea, and will not overreact ( civil war)....... That is exactly what the government has been doing. First talk was Thaksin home by Christmas for his daughter's wedding, then the botched royal pardon attempt, then suddenly he has a passport which apparently even the PM did not know about........And then he will sneak back in, with the official story he may be in danger so nobody can know where he is. And then finally , bang , he is on the front page of the paper a couple of weeks later....

Anybody who has been here during the Thaksin years, knows he hates farang. So when he comes back, and takes over as PM from his " ailing and overstressed" sister, think it will finally be time to head out of here. I have never lived under a dictator, and have no plans to start here. How sad, because I really like living here, and have dreaded his return.

Edited December 18, 2011 by EyesWideOpen