Notorious Homophobe Wins Iowa U.S.A. Republican Presidential Primary

[Jingthing]

Rick Santorum Wins Iowa

(or loses by a few votes to Romney, same difference psychologically)

He is a long time, overt enemy of gay equality.

His anti-gay policies are high on his list of his political priorities.

His justifies his fundamentalist fanaticism with his deeply conservative interpretation of his Catholic religious dogma.

A President Santorum (God forbid) would not only mean stalled progress for gay equality and scary supreme court justices but even REVERSALS of currently held progress.

He wins or almost wins in Iowa making him for the moment anyway the flavor of the month not-Romney.

If we are stuck with a republican, at least Romney isn't hateful.

Edited January 4, 2012 by Jingthing

[bkkmick]

I know that it's old, but, for anyone who has missed it: Try googling his surname: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=santorum

[Jingthing]

I know that it's old, but, for anyone who has missed it: Try googling his surname: http://www.google.co...arch?q=santorum

Yes and you know he's angry about that as he has spoken on it. If he wins, we'll have a live wire enemy in power.

[Ijustwannateach]

heh heh heh... I don't think he's strong enough to defeat Obama- not that I really think that Obama is all that great, but at least he threw out a pro gay, or at least not an anti-gay bone or two. I wouldn't mind Santorum being the R. candidate as long as he can't win.

If it has to be a Repub, I agree with JT that Romney is the least of the evils to contend with.

[Jingthing]

Yes, on the face of it Romney is their strongest chance to beat Obama, and I reckon they'll come to their senses about that eventually.

[isanbirder]

Romney did win.... by 8 votes. Ron Paul was 3rd, not that far behind. I suppose that'll give Romney some psychological advantage... but not much for those who've seen the figures.

[Jingthing]

Paul has zero chance of being nominated so not worth much thought, except if he decides to be a spoiler as a third party candidate, which would be most excellent as that would guarantee an Obama win. Not to mention but mentioning here the recent revelations of the Ron Paul newsletters full of rabid homophobic rhetoric, even more toxic than anything Santorum or Bachman has ever said. Anyway, nothing to worry about, he has been correctly marginalized as a radical isolationist in the anti-semitic tradition of American fascist Henry Ford (yes of the automobile).

Despite a few votes difference for Romney, the buzz on Iowa will remain a remarkable victory for Santorum. Delegate-wise, they split them anyway, not a winner take all situation. Romney didn't do any better percentage-wise in Iowa than he did four years ago, and he lost the nomination then, so his expectations were higher this time being the front runner, and he didn't deliver.

Edited January 4, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

This is going to get very interesting, from a gay politics point of view. Santorum, unlike the other front runners now, is MOSTLY known for his right wing social issues positions, specifically his anti-gay positions. This in an election year which everyone agrees will be more about the economy than social issues. So if he is going to win, and BTW it is possible, he is going to have to somehow finesse his emphasis away from the social issues.

It's not going to be easy!

http://www.washingto...EwXdP_blog.html

Rick Santorum compares same-sex marriage to polygamy, in spirited exchange at N.H. college

DURHAM, N.H. - Rick Santorum took on a restive audience Thursday night over the issue of same-sex marriage, which the former Pennsylvania senator vociferously opposes.

...

Santorum then tried to shift the discussion to other topics, but it came up again at the end. When he finally concluded the event, his closing thanks were greeted with a chorus of boos.

Edited January 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[bkkjames]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

[Jingthing]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

[bkkjames]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

Trump Romney has a good sound to it or should it be Romney Trump - stay tuned for more twists and turns.

[Jingthing]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

Trump Romney has a good sound to it or should it be Romney Trump - stay tuned for more twists and turns.

Impossible. That would be like two tops in bed. The topic here anyway is the relation of gay issues to politics, not the general horse race.

Next ...

Edited January 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[bkkjames]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

Trump Romney has a good sound to it or should it be Romney Trump - stay tuned for more twists and turns.

Impossible. That would be like two tops in bed. The topic here anyway is the relation of gay issues to politics, not the general horse race.

Next ...

Well JT, back to your Gay issue then, so what if this guy won in Iowa, he ain't gonna win the GOP ticket is he. Quit worrying about it.

[Jingthing]

Well JT, back to your Gay issue then, so what if this guy won in Iowa, he ain't gonna win the GOP ticket is he. Quit worrying about it.

You don't know that. Romney's support never seems to be much over 25 percent and many republicans feel the strong need for anybody but Romney. In that, I know what they mean. What a fake man Romney is. Edited January 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

OMG, Santorum's "google problem" is persistent. Now even Romney ads are popping up on it. He's got a very unusual political problem. Best known for anti-gay politics and an anal sex joke site. Now the world will know. Interesting campaign so far.

Typically, candidates respond to low blows from their opponents’ campaigns by blasting them publicly for the negativity. But Santorum is in a bit of a pickle here, as he can’t criticize his rivals for drawing attention to the site without drawing attention to it himself, and thereby reinforcing its popularity.

http://slatest.slate.com/posts/2012/01/05/santorum_google_problem_romney_campaign_ad_on_dan_savage_s_santorum_site.html

[lannarebirth]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

What about Michael Bloomberg? Possible?

[Jingthing]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Never. His constituency is in his fantasies only. Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate. Of course, that would guarantee an Obama win.

What about Michael Bloomberg? Possible?

Nope.

Anyway, what is the appeal? He is basically a republican though as decent as republicans can get.

He recently pissed off the Occupy movement with crass insults.

I think at one point in his life he wanted the presidency but he can never win the republican nomination due to his social issues stands so he'd have to blow his money to run third party. Of course he has the money, but he knows he won't win, and has said as much:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/12/11/why-new-york-mayor-michael-bloomberg-wont-run-for-president-in-2012.html

Bloomberg pointed out quite accurately and succinctly America does not elect either independent candidates or “short, Jewish, divorced billionaire(s)” to be its president.

Exactly right.

Forget about it.

Edited January 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[Fookhaht]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate.

I keep confusing RuPaul with Ron Paul. Is there a connection?

[Jingthing]

So when is Donald Trump coming out of the closet and announcing his candidacy?

Ron Paul, on the other hand has a solid minority constituency, he's old now so this is his last political play, so he MIGHT run as a third party candidate.

I keep confusing RuPaul with Ron Paul. Is there a connection?

Perhaps!

Quote late in the video: I couldn't even schtup RuPaul!

Edited January 6, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Some more well deserved dumping on Santorum (google it). In this article we learn why Santorum is really, really bad for heterosexuals ... too.

The extreme Rick Santorum

The problem is that his views are genuinely extreme and, in some instances, patently offensive. He is a cultural warrior who has equated same-sex marriage with polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality — and who has argued that gay men and lesbians should not serve openly in the military because “they’re in close quarters, they live with people, they obviously shower with people.”

Don’t worry: Santorum says he doesn’t have a problem with homosexuality, just with “homosexual acts.”

http://www.washingto...qpfP_story.html Edited January 7, 2012 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Perhaps he knows he won't really be president so is actually competing for the prize as most anti-gay candidate?

Here he spells out what was already obvious. Not only would he stop further progress for gay rights, he would actively destroy the modest progress already achieved:

Santorum: Amendment would break up gay couples

Rick Santorum said in the GOP debate Saturday that he would favor a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage – and breaking up couples who have already been married under same-sex marriage laws.

“If the Constitution says marriage is between a man and a woman, then marriage is between a man and a woman,” Santorum said. “Those who are not men and women and are married would not be married.”

http://www.politico....burns-haberman/

Edited January 8, 2012 by Jingthing

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The Republicans have had so many different "flavor of the week" so-called leaders this season I'm beginning to think their election campaign is being sponsored by Baskin-Robbins...

Bachman, Christie, Trump, Perry, Cain, let's not forget Palin, and on and on.... Yeeesh!!!

[Jingthing]

The Republicans have had so many different "flavor of the week" so-called leaders this season I'm beginning to think their election campaign is being sponsored by Baskin-Robbins...

Bachman, Christie, Trump, Perry, Cain, let's not forget Palin, and on and on.... Yeeesh!!!

Yeah and the strong odds are after all that flirting with exotica they're going to end up where they started, with Mormon VANILLA.

[Jingthing]

Uh oh! Santorum is SURGING again. Katey, bar the back door. Santorum all over the place. Could get really messy!

[Jingthing]

Santorum now poised for a one on one race with Romney. Romney still the likely nominee, but in that case, a Romney-Santorum ticket seems quite possible. In sum, bad news for gay rights advocates should the republicans win, especially bad if we get a Prez Santorum.

http://www.washingto...5SBS_story.html

The good news. Google results for Santorum still works ...

Edited March 14, 2012 by Jingthing

[Wallaby]

Please enlighten me.

From a distance, and not knowing much about US internal politics, it seems that Republicans are more fanatical and has more members on the edge of being nutters and the Dems are more in the middle and mainstreem in their views and policies.

Is that off the mark?

[Jingthing]

Please enlighten me.

From a distance, and not knowing much about US internal politics, it seems that Republicans are more fanatical and has more members on the edge of being nutters and the Dems are more in the middle and mainstreem in their views and policies.

Is that off the mark?

No, it's spot on. In fact, the republicans have gone so far right wing that they label the democrats as socialists, which is objectively not true. It has been said that even Ronald Reagan wouldn't be right wing enough to be nominated today in the right wing party. Edited March 14, 2012 by Jingthing

[JUDAS]

I'm left wondering what importance the "average" voter places on a candidates stance regarding gay marriage. How big an issue is it with the average non gay voter?

[Jingthing]

I'm left wondering what importance the "average" voter places on a candidates stance regarding gay marriage. How big an issue is it with the average non gay voter?

It is important to gay people, their friends and relatives, and also a large chunk of the radical right wing religious base that people like Santorum caters to. The republicans have been using demonization of gays as a wedge issue to win elections now for decades. If you're asking percentage of people who care a lot, I would guess about 30 to 40 percent. Also, marriage equal rights isn't the only gay rights issue but it has become the most visible one.

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2010/03/why_has_a_divided_america_taken_gay_rights_seriously.html

Edited March 14, 2012 by Jingthing

[LeCharivari]

One would hope that for most voters, gay or not, gay rights is of rather less importance than the US economy, foreign policy, health care, etc.

Unfortunately what one hopes for and what one gets are seldom the same thing in American politics.