Tourist Visa For Thai Girl

[easttech]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

[gareth750]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

first i think u crazy unless u trust her u realy thing she has enough money to suport herself without u but it up to u i had experience in this before i had same problem 1st u money u never see again 2nd tourist visa u need depend where u are and where u going if london usually £1500 is enough for 30 day providing u sponser her accomadition and send a leter to invite her to stay with u as long she got money in account they dont care where it came from as long she has enough to suport her stay and depend how long she stay with u but it would be beter advice from a licenced company for legal advice an dit quicker to get that not bad price to get it and maby u should consider marry is possibility the best option for u make things lot more easy not complicated at all

hope that helps u

gareth

[dr_Pat_Pong]

$1600 including a return airticket

[lopburi3]

1. Off topic - this is for visa to Thailand.

2. Per your request will hold my tongue on other aspects.

[dr_Pat_Pong]

1.  Off topic - this is for visa to Thailand.

2.  Per your request will hold my tongue on other aspects.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I missed that Lop. Mea Culpa

[britmaveric]

40k BHT per mo???? I'm speechless - shant say a word.

Edited December 7, 2005 by britmaveric

[the scouser]

Thread moved to visas and migration.

Scouse.

[easttech]

Please any advice or comments apprecaited

[Johnny Dee Rock]

She must prove to satisfaction of the consular officer that she will return to Thailand.

[Mighty Mouse]

Now let me see......she has 200,000 baht in the bank and she owns an income producing food garden.

You have been sending her 40,000 baht each month for the past 7 months, that's 280,000 baht, sooooooo her living expenses exceed 80,000 baht over that period, not including the income from her food garden. Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Oooops sorry, you didn't want anyone to comment on this. I'll give myself an uppercut.

As she is a land owner and a business woman, (and a very good one it seems) this plus her bank balance will hold her in good stead for being able to obtain a visa without any assistance from you. All she has to do is convince the authorities that she has a need to return to Thailand upon the expiration of her visa.

However, with your support as her sponsor, her chances of success are strengthened.

If all else fails, she could use some of that money she has stashed away to buy her own private jet and quietly slip out of the country.............................

...................OUCH!!! I just gave myself another uppercut.

[samran]

She must prove to satisfaction of the consular officer that she will return to Thailand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

very true, and by you sending her (tonnes, stupid ridiclous amounts of) money, you are helping prove that this (I am sure) lovely lass actually has no means to support hereself while she is away, and has no real reason to return when her income isn't sourced in thailand anyway.

[easttech]

Now let me see......she has 200,000 baht in the bank and she owns an income producing food garden.

You have been sending her 40,000 baht each month for the past 7 months, that's 280,000 baht, sooooooo her living expenses exceed 80,000 baht over that period, not including the income from her food garden. Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Oooops sorry, you didn't want anyone to comment on this. I'll give myself an uppercut.

As she is a land owner and a business woman, (and a very good one it seems) this plus her bank balance will hold her in good stead for being able to obtain a visa without any assistance from you. All she has to do is convince the authorities that she has a need to return to Thailand upon the expiration of her visa.

However, with your support as her sponsor, her chances of success are strengthened.

If all else fails, she could use some of that money she has stashed away to buy her own private jet and quietly slip out of the country.............................

...................OUCH!!!      I just gave myself another uppercut. 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thank you for your response!

[easttech]

She must prove to satisfaction of the consular officer that she will return to Thailand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

very true, and by you sending her (tonnes, stupid ridiclous amounts of) money, you are helping prove that this (I am sure) lovely lass actually has no means to support hereself while she is away, and has no real reason to return when her income isn't sourced in thailand anyway.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I did want to try and avoid comments about what i send her, as this is the type of respone I anticipated. I do not expect many people to understand why I send the amount that I do, except to say that I can both easily afford to do so, and I want her to be comfortable. She is not a Bar girl, or street walker from Nana. I did not mention what she makes from her restaurant so I am unsure as to why you think she has no income to return to? What I send her, simply gets deposited into her bank account monthly, the only reason I mentioned it is because it should make it appear she has more income thean she does. I do not make wire transfers into her account, she gets my cash and makes a cash deposit monthy, so they should not now how she is getting all of her money.

[RAZZELL]

I know you want to do the right thing and can afford it...a lot of us have been there...But 40,000 is A VERY GOOD MONTHLY wage in Thailand.

Most new graduates are lucky to earn 20,000 a month.

If some chick was sending me about £10-12k I'd be in love too!!! lol

Main problems are reason to return.

Don't use a visa agency, most are extortionate, they encourage you to be "economical with the truth" and their applications can be spotted a mile off.

Take your time, and do your research !

Good luck and take care!

Edited December 9, 2005 by RAZZELL

[Carmine6]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa...

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Sounds like the facts in your case are pretty strong. I spoke to an actual lawyer in Thailand and he said odds are very low for a tourist visa to the US unless they work for a large multinational or have substantial assets. I think he was overstating the difficulty, but he does fiance/marriage visas and refuses to do tourist visas so it wasn't a marketing spiel for his services.

The USCIS (old INS) basically assumes people from 3rd world countries are going to overstay their visas unless there's strong evidence otherwise. A Filipino friend's relatives had to photocopy land deeds, paystubs, etc. to get visas, but they got them. The USCIS lists things like apartment leases as being proof of return, but I doubt that's enough on its own.

I think those visa assistance places are mainly for cases that aren't as strong as yours. Some of them will provide made up job histories and such, so I'd stay away since you don't want the consulate to think the stuff is made up. But if you find a really good visa place, let me know.

[lopburi3]

She must prove to satisfaction of the consular officer that she will return to Thailand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

very true, and by you sending her (tonnes, stupid ridiclous amounts of) money, you are helping prove that this (I am sure) lovely lass actually has no means to support hereself while she is away, and has no real reason to return when her income isn't sourced in thailand anyway.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I did want to try and avoid comments about what i send her, as this is the type of respone I anticipated. I do not expect many people to understand why I send the amount that I do, except to say that I can both easily afford to do so, and I want her to be comfortable. She is not a Bar girl, or street walker from Nana. I did not mention what she makes from her restaurant so I am unsure as to why you think she has no income to return to? What I send her, simply gets deposited into her bank account monthly, the only reason I mentioned it is because it should make it appear she has more income thean she does. I do not make wire transfers into her account, she gets my cash and makes a cash deposit monthy, so they should not now how she is getting all of her money.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Regardless of how you may feel about providing 40k per month if you do the math it as 7 x 40k = 280k and account but only has 200k now - what would you think? She has no real business income and will probably not return to Thailand?

[Carmine6]

Regardless of how you may feel about providing 40k per month if you do the math it as 7 x 40k = 280k and account but only has 200k now - what would you think?  She has no real business income and will probably not return to Thailand?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well if you do the math, she's only used up 80,000 baht in 7 months which is pretty tough to get by on. I assume her expenses total more than 11,429 baht per month, so clearly she has income of her own outside of the money being sent. And what percentage of Americans or Europeans would have saved as much of what they received or even earned?

It seems a bit judgemental to make assumptions with such limited facts. Maybe she's just finally built a new house for her parents. Maybe she's sending siblings to school. Maybe someone was sick. And even if her money went for frivolous things, it annoys me when people judge what others "should" be receiving without even knowing the person. I know people I'd give my last dollar to if they needed it, and I know people I wouldn't give anything to.

Yes, it's possible to live on much less than 40k baht, but we are talking about a girlfriend so why should she have to just get by when it's not a burden on him? She's clearly responsible with her money.

[Ollie]

Regardless of how you may feel about providing 40k per month if you do the math it as 7 x 40k = 280k and account but only has 200k now - what would you think?  She has no real business income and will probably not return to Thailand?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well if you do the math, she's only used up 80,000 baht in 7 months which is pretty tough to get by on. I assume her expenses total more than 11,429 baht per month, so clearly she has income of her own outside of the money being sent. And what percentage of Americans or Europeans would have saved as much of what they received or even earned?

It seems a bit judgemental to make assumptions with such limited facts. Maybe she's just finally built a new house for her parents. Maybe she's sending siblings to school. Maybe someone was sick. And even if her money went for frivolous things, it annoys me when people judge what others "should" be receiving without even knowing the person. I know people I'd give my last dollar to if they needed it, and I know people I wouldn't give anything to.

Yes, it's possible to live on much less than 40k baht, but we are talking about a girlfriend so why should she have to just get by when it's not a burden on him? She's clearly responsible with her money.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good post. Let the guy do what he wants - why does his comments give the others the right to pass judgement - he stressed from the outset what he was about.

I can't help with your query as I've learnt a lot from this forum to help my own situation and changed my own plans as a result - mainly with the help of Scouser and GU22. They're quiet on this one. But I haven't visited for a while. Good luck with the visa.

[CarlBkk]

Good post. Let the guy do what he wants - why does his comments give the others the right to pass judgement - he stressed from the outset what he was about.

Why? Because some of us foreigners are glutten for punishment and need some tough advice. No self-respecting decent woman would accept serious wonga on a regular basis. When they do they usually become materialistic, greedy, lazy golddiggers if they weren't hiding those attributes already, and that's not good for them, you or the world around them. How many girlfriends given money turn out to be a beautiful loyal person I wonder?

You may be glad to hear that I'm not an Embassy Official, because if I was I wouldn't have let 10% of the loosely-termed "girlfriends" in as soon as I saw their statements showing they happily enjoy foreign currency from mugs to feed their egos. Call me cynical but when you meet so many examples and see reputations being (sadly but rightfully) based on this, it's hard not to shake your head and laugh.

Edited December 19, 2005 by CarlBkk

[cwilliam]

Regardless of how you may feel about providing 40k per month if you do the math it as 7 x 40k = 280k and account but only has 200k now - what would you think?  She has no real business income and will probably not return to Thailand?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well if you do the math, she's only used up 80,000 baht in 7 months which is pretty tough to get by on. I assume her expenses total more than 11,429 baht per month, so clearly she has income of her own outside of the money being sent. And what percentage of Americans or Europeans would have saved as much of what they received or even earned?

It seems a bit judgemental to make assumptions with such limited facts. Maybe she's just finally built a new house for her parents. Maybe she's sending siblings to school. Maybe someone was sick. And even if her money went for frivolous things, it annoys me when people judge what others "should" be receiving without even knowing the person. I know people I'd give my last dollar to if they needed it, and I know people I wouldn't give anything to.

Yes, it's possible to live on much less than 40k baht, but we are talking about a girlfriend so why should she have to just get by when it's not a burden on him? She's clearly responsible with her money.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good post. Let the guy do what he wants - why does his comments give the others the right to pass judgement - he stressed from the outset what he was about.

I can't help with your query as I've learnt a lot from this forum to help my own situation and changed my own plans as a result - mainly with the help of Scouser and GU22. They're quiet on this one. But I haven't visited for a while. Good luck with the visa.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

It is a shame that so many go to other countries and overstay makes it so hard for everybody else

[Ollie]

The problem in the UK is not so much the illegal overstayers, however much of a growing problem that may be, but rather a chattering class led asylum policy that fails to recognise that the ones who make it here usually have the funds to do so - whether earnt, begged, borrowed or stolen. The most needy and therefore often the most vulnerable rarely make it without the support and infrastructure needed to make it heppen, and we're not talking legit here.

But I guess this is going off thread.

I'm pleased the UK is recognising the reality of economic migrants falsely claiming asylum and accommodating them where needed instead. It seems a little disjointed to treat legit Brits and those they have relationships with less favourable than others, but agree those they they want to visit shouldn't become a burden on the state.

Totally off-thread now, but I guess its how a few feel?

[easttech]

Regardless of how you may feel about providing 40k per month if you do the math it as 7 x 40k = 280k and account but only has 200k now - what would you think?  She has no real business income and will probably not return to Thailand?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well if you do the math, she's only used up 80,000 baht in 7 months which is pretty tough to get by on. I assume her expenses total more than 11,429 baht per month, so clearly she has income of her own outside of the money being sent. And what percentage of Americans or Europeans would have saved as much of what they received or even earned?

It seems a bit judgemental to make assumptions with such limited facts. Maybe she's just finally built a new house for her parents. Maybe she's sending siblings to school. Maybe someone was sick. And even if her money went for frivolous things, it annoys me when people judge what others "should" be receiving without even knowing the person. I know people I'd give my last dollar to if they needed it, and I know people I wouldn't give anything to.

Yes, it's possible to live on much less than 40k baht, but we are talking about a girlfriend so why should she have to just get by when it's not a burden on him? She's clearly responsible with her money.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Good post. Let the guy do what he wants - why does his comments give the others the right to pass judgement - he stressed from the outset what he was about.

I can't help with your query as I've learnt a lot from this forum to help my own situation and changed my own plans as a result - mainly with the help of Scouser and GU22. They're quiet on this one. But I haven't visited for a while. Good luck with the visa.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Thanks for your support and comments. I also think she has not been irresponsible with her money. Her apartment alone is 12,000 baht per month. I also know that she supports her younger sister to go to school. So, your right do the math.

[lopburi3]

As I said what you give her is of no concern to me but I was putting into context with what the officer must consider - is her employment gainful enough to be a factor pointing to her return. And from the figures provided it can not.

Paying 12,000 baht for an apartment is not normal for a single Thai FYI.

[expatinasia]

"She is not a Bar girl, or street walker from Nana"

Perhaps, but she's really f*cking you over. You wanted to get screwed by a Thai girl, and you're getting your wish.

[Carmine6]

As I said what you give her is of no concern to me but I was putting into context with what the officer must consider - is her employment gainful enough to be a factor pointing to her return.  And from the figures provided it can not. 

Paying 12,000 baht for an apartment is not normal for a single Thai FYI.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What is "gainful enough"? From the information provided, it sounds like her income is significant. If you figure her rent is almost covered, then her income covers all of her and her sibling's living expenses. Supporting a sibling through school isn't all that cheap. Start adding up all the bus fares and food, shampoo, occasional movie, etc. and it get's to be a lot of Baht every month. Then every semester there are the books, tuition and other fees.

Now add on top of that all the living expenses that a 33 year old who runs a business would have and that's not a small number. So she probably has a decent income. Yes, it could be a low number if she's unbelievably miserly, but start adding up realistic figures and the range of what her income probably is, grows.

The original post says the money he provides is not traceable, and could be counted as business income, so I think add all that up and the income would look very good for whoever reviews the application.

[easttech]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

****Update**** Visa was granted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Her meeting lasted on 5 mins, but she waited for an hour before going in due to the que.

They asked her 4 questions

1) Where will you be staying in the US

2) How many people work in her Food Graden

3) How much money she makes monthly

4) Shit, now I can't remember

After the short Q/A, they told her to come back in 2 days and she can pick up her visa!!!

For your reference, I did use a company called Easy Visa. Not cheap at all and I am not sure under the circumstances how much they helped, but they are very professional. They have a very very nice large office across from the US Embassy. Total cost was $1,600.00 USD, but as I indicated it included RT airfare from BKK to NY/ NY BKK. Which if you price out could be as much as $1,300.

I think we had a strong case, but none the less, you always worry.

Thanks for comments!

[Carmine6]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

****Update**** Visa was granted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Her meeting lasted on 5 mins, but she waited for an hour before going in due to the que.

They asked her 4 questions

1) Where will you be staying in the US

2) How many people work in her Food Graden

3) How much money she makes monthly

4) Shit, now I can't remember

After the short Q/A, they told her to come back in 2 days and she can pick up her visa!!!

For your reference, I did use a company called Easy Visa. Not cheap at all and I am not sure under the circumstances how much they helped, but they are very professional. They have a very very nice large office across from the US Embassy. Total cost was $1,600.00 USD, but as I indicated it included RT airfare from BKK to NY/ NY BKK. Which if you price out could be as much as $1,300.

I think we had a strong case, but none the less, you always worry.

Thanks for comments!

What did Easy Visa do for you? Did they help with forms or the process, or suggest edits, give a list of interview questions, etc.? Could you call up and ask a lot of specific questions? My guess is they were glad when you came in the door because it was easy money for a strong case. I'd have no problem with a pricey service if they really helped out.

Was it the full $1,600 if the visa wasn't granted? Lot more risk with a tourist visa.

I worked with a guy who was paying $200/hr for an attorney to get his Canadian! wife through the immigration process. She had to go back to Canada for a year after they were married. Not sure what the problem was, but clearly he would have done better by getting some help up front.

Edited January 11, 2006 by Carmine6

[easttech]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

****Update**** Visa was granted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Her meeting lasted on 5 mins, but she waited for an hour before going in due to the que.

They asked her 4 questions

1) Where will you be staying in the US

2) How many people work in her Food Graden

3) How much money she makes monthly

4) Shit, now I can't remember

After the short Q/A, they told her to come back in 2 days and she can pick up her visa!!!

For your reference, I did use a company called Easy Visa. Not cheap at all and I am not sure under the circumstances how much they helped, but they are very professional. They have a very very nice large office across from the US Embassy. Total cost was $1,600.00 USD, but as I indicated it included RT airfare from BKK to NY/ NY BKK. Which if you price out could be as much as $1,300.

I think we had a strong case, but none the less, you always worry.

Thanks for comments!

What did Easy Visa do for you? Did they help with forms or the process, or suggest edits, give a list of interview questions, etc.? Could you call up and ask a lot of specific questions? My guess is they were glad when you came in the door because it was easy money for a strong case. I'd have no problem with a pricey service if they really helped out.

Was it the full $1,600 if the visa wasn't granted? Lot more risk with a tourist visa.

I worked with a guy who was paying $200/hr for an attorney to get his Canadian! wife through the immigration process. She had to go back to Canada for a year after they were married. Not sure what the problem was, but clearly he would have done better by getting some help up front.

Yes, they did help with all the forms, suggested support documentation. There were about 4 meetings. Thye require half after first 2 meetings, and then the balance after the last meeting before the Embassy meeting, and the did go to the meeting with my girl, but as you know they are not allowed inside. The main guy there, David, is Thai but I believe educated in the US and speaks perfect english. He is an immigration attorney as well. There are some gurantees, and they will help you multiple times until you get the visa. I was also just informed, the Visa is valid for 10 years. Not sure if that is normal or not?

[lopburi3]

Ten year multi entry to the US is normal to save you and them additional work. Glad everything worked out well. Remember that even when passport expires visa will remain valid until its expiration date and can still be used.

[Captain Ron]

I have a GF in Thailand who is about to try and obtain a tourist Visa. She is 33, family from Udon but she now lives in Bangkok. She owns some land in Udon, a Food Garden in Udon, and a house as well. She has about 200,000 baht in the bank and I will probably catch shi_ for this but for the past 7 months I have been sending her 40,000 baht per month, which she desposits in her bank account and then withdraws monthly for her living expenses. Please hold the comments on what I send her, first, I can afford to do it and secondly I want her to live somewhat comfortably. In any case, I am sure she could say this monthly money is income from her Food Garden to show some history of income. Can anyone comment on what you think the chances of her getting a tourist Visa? And, do you think she could do this on her own or should I contract with one of those Visa companies? One company quoted me $1,600 for the Visa, but it included RT Air from Bkk to New York so it didn't seem to bad. All comments appreciated! Thanks in advance!

If you think it's easy getting a tourist visa to the U.S. you're in for a big surprise as was I. I went through it twice. Letters from a U.S. Senator even, but they just don't give tourist visas to single women unless very rich. You have to prove she will return and having a relationship with you just about kills your chances. They see that as a reason for her not to return. After 2 tries we were far enough along that we went for the fiance visa which took almost 6 months, now we're married and very happy. I doubt you can find anyone who was able to get their girl a tourist visa to the U.S. Student visas. work visas and spousal visas that's about it.

As for the visa services all they do is fill out the paperwork for you and your girlfriend and make sure you don't make a mistake-but they can't get you a visa unless you qualify.

Good luck though and I can tell you Thai women make great wives. I now know 5 Thai/Farang couples here in CA and we're all very happy.

Good luck.