Thailand's Thaksin Prepares For War

[bigbamboo]

The coup-ists.......?

[CalgaryII]

The coup-ists.......?

Yes, the coup-ists?

And yes again, The UDD/RS/PTP disagree with coup-ists.

And their majority will 'scare the shit out of them' as RS rallies are in part designed to do.

Any seriously connected coup-ist who sticks his head above ground, would raise such a Nation-wide furor, it would be best he not do it.

Not complicated.

Edited February 20, 2012 by CalgaryII

[blows]

The coup-ists.......?

You had to ask eh, I think I would prefer coupista myself.

[ianf]

Animatic, #370

Like the Red Shirt Coup Thaksin failed to pull off? TWICE.

Electoral success is electoral success

Regardless how inconvenient that truth may be for some.

To torture history to suggest something else, is not taken seriously by serious political analysts.

To suggest opposing a coup-ist goverment is in itself a coup, is ridiculous.

Electoral success obviously isn't electoral success when elected MPs decide that they don't want to support a party. If the red shirts don't understand that part of democracy, then they should learn a bit more about it.

You keep going on about how the red shirts are protesting the coup, but the coup was 4 years ago, and there have been elections, twice.

And we also have to remember how much the Reds and Thaksin are friends with Cambodia's Hun Sen - who arrived as the all powerful leader of his country ................ through a coup no less! Apart from that little fact my questions to Calgaryll have not been answered. It is unbelievable that anyone would believe that Government forces were responsible for everyone of those 90 deaths especially when Khun Abhisit was so careful not to move against the occupations too quickly, simply because he understood their game plan. Indeed their game plan during the occupations was so transparent that even my 9 year old understood it immediately! But then judging by the huge numbers of 'Like This' ticks I'm getting, I think the majority of Thai Visa members also understand the game plan here.

Edited February 20, 2012 by ianf

[CalgaryII]

ianf, #394

^

Apart from that little fact my questions to Calgaryll have not been answered

Yeah they were. You just didn't like them.

I could be the pontiff pontificating, and you wouldn't find the answers satisfactory.

Like that other Poster, whose reply is often, "no sale"

Well, like him, you are also not in the market

It is unbelievable that anyone would believe that Government forces were responsible for everyone of those 90 deaths.

Well for arguments sake. lets just say 80, 70 or 60.

The entire coupista's agenda is to besmirch those who stood up to their coup-ist assault, as being anarchic and anti-social. To that end, they have surfaced many spurious comments trying to hand off a few killings to their taxpayers.

I laugh when they maginify a Molotov Coctail thrower, who threw one at one of their gunmen......Poor gunman...Poor baby.

Khun Abhisit was so careful not to move against the occupations too quickly,

I'll say.

He tried to ignopre them out of existence for the longest time, sitting tight in his unelected Prime Minister's chair.

Then when him and his allies who held these citizens in contempt, finally stooped to offer them a morsel, it was a "mafia Offer' Accept as we state, or we will unleash our armed aggressors. They were not about to give up their coup based gains.

An offer is not an agreement. The Red Shirts accepted it, with modifications which would lead to an agreement. But that is when their arrogance shone through. They were not about to 'negotiate with these low-life's"

Until the coup-ists and their friends understand that when it comes to the Political sphere of Thailand, everyone is equal, and is politically self-motivated. Continuing to hold their opposites in contempt, will get them nothing.

This is obviously stated within well-known political limitations of Thailand.

Indeed their game plan during the occupations was so transparent that even my 9 year old understood it immediately!

Yeah, very simple. Call an election to restore their rightful electoral majority Government which had been coup-ed away from them.

Not complicated

And that is why we are discussing coups in this thread

Edited February 20, 2012 by CalgaryII

[Nisa]

As imperfect they may be, Democracy is their central tenet.

Those who question this, show they have not been around them in any meaningful way, and are simply following how the Opposition defines them

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

[CalgaryII]

As imperfect they may be, Democracy is their central tenet.

Those who question this, show they have not been around them in any meaningful way, and are simply following how the Opposition defines them

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

Edited February 20, 2012 by CalgaryII

[whybother]

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

So a majority of the electorate are 80% female?

[blows]

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

So a majority of the electorate are 80% female?

Cannon fodder eh? Just as we thought, bring the old ladies down to take the bullets and then collect your blood money for her. Talk about family values and Thainess, all about the baht.

[Nisa]

As imperfect they may be, Democracy is their central tenet.

Those who question this, show they have not been around them in any meaningful way, and are simply following how the Opposition defines them

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

[CalgaryII]

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

So a majority of the electorate are 80% female?

Cannon fodder eh? Just as we thought, bring the old ladies down to take the bullets and then collect your blood money for her. Talk about family values and Thainess, all about the baht.

Typical oppositional mantra, dismissing their political opposites, or rather, holding them in contempt.

Not a recipy for political harmony.

But as long as the coup-ists stay in their holes, elections will look after this matter.

[Nisa]

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Great reasons to support a movement

[CalgaryII]

As imperfect they may be, Democracy is their central tenet.

Those who question this, show they have not been around them in any meaningful way, and are simply following how the Opposition defines them

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

Oppositional arrogance and contemptuousness will get Thailand nowhere.

Let elections look after things.

Will be the best antidote for this political weakness.

Edited February 20, 2012 by CalgaryII

[CalgaryII]

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Great reasons to support a movement

And a great way to meet those not in the business, with some moxy.

I'm outta here.

Edited February 20, 2012 by CalgaryII

[tlansford]

As imperfect they may be, Democracy is their central tenet.

Those who question this, show they have not been around them in any meaningful way, and are simply following how the Opposition defines them

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

[blows]

I was around them during their siege of Bangkok and they are largely morons or pro-communism based on so many of the shirts and caps they were wearing promoting communism ... not to mention the speeches coming from the stage, their chosen colors and leaders tactics and associates.

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

[AleG]

ianf, #394

^

Apart from that little fact my questions to Calgaryll have not been answered

Yeah they were. You just didn't like them.

I could be the pontiff pontificating, and you wouldn't find the answers satisfactory.

Like that other Poster, whose reply is often, "no sale"

Well, like him, you are also not in the market

It is unbelievable that anyone would believe that Government forces were responsible for everyone of those 90 deaths.

Well for arguments sake. lets just say 80, 70 or 60.

The entire coupista's agenda is to besmirch those who stood up to their coup-ist assault, as being anarchic and anti-social. To that end, they have surfaced many spurious comments trying to hand off a few killings to their taxpayers.

I laugh when they maginify a Molotov Coctail thrower, who threw one at one of their gunmen......Poor gunman...Poor baby.

Khun Abhisit was so careful not to move against the occupations too quickly,

I'll say.

He tried to ignopre them out of existence for the longest time, sitting tight in his unelected Prime Minister's chair.

Then when him and his allies who held these citizens in contempt, finally stooped to offer them a morsel, it was a "mafia Offer' Accept as we state, or we will unleash our armed aggressors. They were not about to give up their coup based gains.

An offer is not an agreement. The Red Shirts accepted it, with modifications which would lead to an agreement. But that is when their arrogance shone through. They were not about to 'negotiate with these low-life's"

Until the coup-ists and their friends understand that when it comes to the Political sphere of Thailand, everyone is equal, and is politically self-motivated. Continuing to hold their opposites in contempt, will get them nothing.

This is obviously stated within well-known political limitations of Thailand.

Indeed their game plan during the occupations was so transparent that even my 9 year old understood it immediately!

Yeah, very simple. Call an election to restore their rightful electoral majority Government which had been coup-ed away from them.

Not complicated

And that is why we are discussing coups in this thread

We would have to bring Sir Edmund Hillary back from the grave to get to the top of this mountain of BS....

[Nisa]

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

Which leads back to my comment that they are either morons or communists leaning.

[Nisa]

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

I never said anything about their colors but to me it is obvious they represent at best socialist views right down to their being farmers & workers (Hammer and sickle) and believe it is unfair that the rich live better than them to believing the rich should share their wealth with them.

[Nisa]

Oppositional arrogance and contemptuousness will get Thailand nowhere.

Let elections look after things.

Will be the best antidote for this political weakness.

I have to agree that elections (fair) are the best system there is anywhere even though it often doesn't lead to what is best for the country and people.

[DP25]

The Communist leanings of some red shirts is merely propaganda to appeal to some of their supporters. It's a people vs elite ploy that has no basis in reality. In reality the red shirt movement is designed to entrench the traditional feudal power structure in Thailand and further the economic interests of their elite, particularly in the N and NE, which has been ruled by the same powerful groups for generations. This movement is designed to ensure it stays that way, it is a simple rebranding of traditional local politicians that have been exploiting the people for decades. When it comes to actually getting things done, you notice they delay or change every promise made to the common people, yet they did not hesitate to slash corporate income tax for the rich by 30% (they keep this quiet but it started on Jan 1st of this year). The communist sympathizers and useful idiot farang academics are simply tools used by Thaksin to to mask the true goals of the movement, returning Thaksins ill-gotten loot and the personal enrichment of his cronies. Empty socialist rhetoric for the poor, tax cuts for the rich, corruption for the well connected, and violent oppression and intimidation for those that speak out against them

[Publicus]

The Communist leanings of some red shirts is merely propaganda to appeal to some of their supporters. It's a people vs elite ploy that has no basis in reality. In reality the red shirt movement is designed to entrench the traditional feudal power structure in Thailand and further the economic interests of their elite, particularly in the N and NE, which has been ruled by the same powerful groups for generations. This movement is designed to ensure it stays that way, it is a simple rebranding of traditional local politicians that have been exploiting the people for decades. When it comes to actually getting things done, you notice they delay or change every promise made to the common people, yet they did not hesitate to slash corporate income tax for the rich by 30% (they keep this quiet but it started on Jan 1st of this year). The communist sympathizers and useful idiot farang academics are simply tools used by Thaksin to to mask the true goals of the movement, returning Thaksins ill-gotten loot and the personal enrichment of his cronies. Empty socialist rhetoric for the poor, tax cuts for the rich, corruption for the well connected, and violent oppression and intimidation for those that speak out against them

Until last year I spent three years in China - the People's Republic of China, the one owned and operated by the Chinese Communist Party. When Chinese I met found out I'd spent ten years in Thailand (1998-2008) they asked me about Thailand, but about Thaksin in particular. Thaksin is very popular in China. His ancenstry is in western Guangdong province where authoritarian leaders are greatly admired. The Chinese consider Thaksin to be one of their own and want Thaksin to rule in Thailand. The Chinese consider that Thaksin got a bum rap in Thailand begining in 2006 due to the coup and the many events since. The Chinese consistently asked me what the trouble is in Thailand. Explaining Thailand to anyone is always a challenge, but i tried to be at least somewhat balanced. I anyway got the message in China that the Chinese pretty much like the idea of a People's Republic of Thailand. The red of the redshirts may be happenstance, but it sure is the "lucky" color of the Chinese for milennia, to include the solid color of their flag since Mao took control in 1949. We recall that Thaksin escaped Thailand by getting a wink of the eye from Thai authorities to attend the 2008 Beijing Olympics from where Thaksin flew west to begin his fugitive days as his conviction was imminent. After Pheu Thai moved into Government House Thaksin got his passport back, went to Japan then straight on to China.

The CCP is an elite oligarchy that rules for itself and by itself, is endemically corrupt, has no basis of legitimacy except to deliver some goodies to the population, lacks moral authority. It is a censoring and brainwashing machine that has no affinity or true bond with the population. Absolute control is the CCP's only design and purpose. The Chinese elites are grotesque.

Thailand needs to become a normal country which means China is not its role model. Another coup and Thailand becomes the world's new Burma. More of the same leads all the buffaloes off a cliff. There aren't many good options in all of this.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Publicus

[waza]

One could argue that the so called 2006 coup d'etat, was the RTA enforcing the rule of law and removing an illegitimate PM.

Coup-ists would argue that.

The electoral majority in Thailand would argue otherwise.

The election of last year was their demonstration of it.

BTW, the coup-ist armed aggressors are perceived by a huge electoral swath of the country, as being no different than a foreign occupying force.

Just the way it is.

and you know this because......................

Edited February 20, 2012 by waza

[Nisa]

The Communist leanings of some red shirts is merely propaganda to appeal to some of their supporters. It's a people vs elite ploy that has no basis in reality. In reality the red shirt movement is designed to entrench the traditional feudal power structure in Thailand and further the economic interests of their elite, particularly in the N and NE, which has been ruled by the same powerful groups for generations. This movement is designed to ensure it stays that way, it is a simple rebranding of traditional local politicians that have been exploiting the people for decades. When it comes to actually getting things done, you notice they delay or change every promise made to the common people, yet they did not hesitate to slash corporate income tax for the rich by 30% (they keep this quiet but it started on Jan 1st of this year). The communist sympathizers and useful idiot farang academics are simply tools used by Thaksin to to mask the true goals of the movement, returning Thaksins ill-gotten loot and the personal enrichment of his cronies. Empty socialist rhetoric for the poor, tax cuts for the rich, corruption for the well connected, and violent oppression and intimidation for those that speak out against them

Very insightful and it rings true in my observations as well as answers some questions/thoughts I had such as why the base seems to socialist driven but now that they have power, I am not seeing socialist policies except for the very few kinds of one-off stuff they made during their campaign promises such as credit cards for taxi drivers and tablets for students ... but as I even read about these campaign promises being delivered, I see them being watered down versions of the promises.

I don't know enough to know if you are right or wrong but from what I have observed and learned, it seems you are spot on.

[tlansford]

- sniper -

If that is your perception, you were not around them in a meaningful way.

Unless of course, this is a manifestation of Oppositional arrogance and contempt.

They are great, mainstream people with political differences, except for the main objective of never again letting their elected Government be coup-ed away from them again. Their current Government is what you get, which is pretty dam_n good. It would be re-elected with a greater majority even now, in-spite of Oppositional tactics against them.

Farangs are treated like celebrities by them, because they assume Farangs come from democratic traditions. This Board suggests to me that perhaps this assumption is somewhat misplaced, but I have hope.

Plus with them being about 80% female, not a bad place to be, other than all the grannies amongst them.

Maybe some of you like grannies....could be.

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

And in the USA, the Republicans. Clearly you are on to something.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with communism.

[blows]

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

And in the USA, the Republicans. Clearly you are on to something.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with communism.

Seriously, that's the work of the commie media, not the Republicans and proves the point, thank you.

It was very clever of the TV networks back in 2000 to insist on red for Republicans and blue for Democrats; it had often been the reverse in earlier elections. David Brinkley spoke of Ronald Reagan’s “sea of blue” in 1980, and Time wrote in 1984, “On NBC’s national map, a spreading sea of blue represented Reagan’s triumph, and little islands of red symbolized Mondale’s meager winnings; on ABC and CBS maps, the color symbolism was reversed.” NBC that year — like other networks in previous years — was in keeping with the worldwide use of political colors, where typically red represents communism, socialism, and social democracy and blue is associated with conservative parties. But when the dominant U.S. media all decided to paint the Democrats blue and Republicans red, they got rid of that pesky, lingering association of red with socialism.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/keep-virginia-red/

[animatic]

They represent communism or socialism at best ... don't be naive. This is neither a negative or positive comment but just a realistic one.

I don't deny what your observations were, however, when I have seen large red shirt rallies, I have not seen the same thing at all.

As a historical point, the color red doesn't have anything to do with communism for the red shirts. It was a color of shirt used by a group led by a student activist who had previously founded the September 19th group which was then subsequently take as the color for the movement as a whole. Red + communism is a coincidence. As you probably know, the Thai people have many traditions around colors; colors for your birthday, lucky colors, etc.

I never said anything about their colors but to me it is obvious they represent at best socialist views right down to their being farmers & workers (Hammer and sickle) and believe it is unfair that the rich live better than them to believing the rich should share their wealth with them.

Not to mention the red shirt oldster still wearing his Mao suit and hat.

And Weng'ing on Dr. W. and Tida who were communists hiding in the jungles

till a global pardon came down.

The organizational structure is red to the core. Democracy is the facade overlay of that, and underneath another snaky layer is an uber-capitalist who craves power by any means if HE WINS.

We can't be naive, the method of stirring up the masses for this movement,

was right out of Maos' playbook, triangulation and the Red Schools in Issan,

just being part of the structure.

Edited February 20, 2012 by animatic

[tlansford]

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

And in the USA, the Republicans. Clearly you are on to something.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with communism.

Seriously, that's the work of the commie media, not the Republicans and proves the point, thank you.

It was very clever of the TV networks back in 2000 to insist on red for Republicans and blue for Democrats; it had often been the reverse in earlier elections. David Brinkley spoke of Ronald Reagan’s “sea of blue” in 1980, and Time wrote in 1984, “On NBC’s national map, a spreading sea of blue represented Reagan’s triumph, and little islands of red symbolized Mondale’s meager winnings; on ABC and CBS maps, the color symbolism was reversed.” NBC that year — like other networks in previous years — was in keeping with the worldwide use of political colors, where typically red represents communism, socialism, and social democracy and blue is associated with conservative parties. But when the dominant U.S. media all decided to paint the Democrats blue and Republicans red, they got rid of that pesky, lingering association of red with socialism.

http://www.cato-at-l...p-virginia-red/

well, quoting the cato institute explains the use of "commie media".

The red shirts have groups with are communist within the UDD. They also have groups that are capitalists. The UDD is an umbrella organization for a diverse set of organizations. As noted earlier, the color red was first used by one of the small groups in rallies after the coup, not a communist group either, and after that it became the adopted color for the movement.

[blows]

Seriously? Russia red army China red guard Cambodia khmer rouge, coincidence, I don't think so.

And in the USA, the Republicans. Clearly you are on to something.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with communism.

Seriously, that's the work of the commie media, not the Republicans and proves the point, thank you.

It was very clever of the TV networks back in 2000 to insist on red for Republicans and blue for Democrats; it had often been the reverse in earlier elections. David Brinkley spoke of Ronald Reagan’s “sea of blue” in 1980, and Time wrote in 1984, “On NBC’s national map, a spreading sea of blue represented Reagan’s triumph, and little islands of red symbolized Mondale’s meager winnings; on ABC and CBS maps, the color symbolism was reversed.” NBC that year — like other networks in previous years — was in keeping with the worldwide use of political colors, where typically red represents communism, socialism, and social democracy and blue is associated with conservative parties. But when the dominant U.S. media all decided to paint the Democrats blue and Republicans red, they got rid of that pesky, lingering association of red with socialism.

http://www.cato-at-l...p-virginia-red/

well, quoting the cato institute explains the use of "commie media".

The red shirts have groups with are communist within the UDD. They also have groups that are capitalists. The UDD is an umbrella organization for a diverse set of organizations. As noted earlier, the color red was first used by one of the small groups in rallies after the coup, not a communist group either, and after that it became the adopted color for the movement.

Quoting David Brinkley actually. It is in the public domain globally that the left is red and the right is blue.

[tlansford]

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And in the USA, the Republicans. Clearly you are on to something.

Seriously, it has nothing to do with communism.

Seriously, that's the work of the commie media, not the Republicans and proves the point, thank you.

It was very clever of the TV networks back in 2000 to insist on red for Republicans and blue for Democrats; it had often been the reverse in earlier elections. David Brinkley spoke of Ronald Reagan’s “sea of blue” in 1980, and Time wrote in 1984, “On NBC’s national map, a spreading sea of blue represented Reagan’s triumph, and little islands of red symbolized Mondale’s meager winnings; on ABC and CBS maps, the color symbolism was reversed.” NBC that year — like other networks in previous years — was in keeping with the worldwide use of political colors, where typically red represents communism, socialism, and social democracy and blue is associated with conservative parties. But when the dominant U.S. media all decided to paint the Democrats blue and Republicans red, they got rid of that pesky, lingering association of red with socialism.

http://www.cato-at-l...p-virginia-red/

well, quoting the cato institute explains the use of "commie media".

The red shirts have groups with are communist within the UDD. They also have groups that are capitalists. The UDD is an umbrella organization for a diverse set of organizations. As noted earlier, the color red was first used by one of the small groups in rallies after the coup, not a communist group either, and after that it became the adopted color for the movement.

Quoting David Brinkley actually. It is in the public domain globally that the left is red and the right is blue.

Your quote above is from the cato institute.

OK, it seems like you are saying that because they use the color red, this supports the claim that they are communists.