Guardian Visa Vs Marriage Visa

[dsj]

I would like to know what is the difference between a guardian Visa and a marriage visa, I am married and have a daughter with the wife. Somebody told me that with a gaurdian visa you have more advantages then a marriage visa, as for one they can`t ask you to leave Thailand and also you have more rights in Thailand, like being able to buy land either in your name or your child`s name. If someone can help me that would be good.

[lopburi3]

There is no such visa firstly. And no visa allows purchase of any land.

Both cases allow a non immigrant O visa to be issued. Both will require proof (marriage or birth certificates) and often a few more documents. Both will require exit of Thailand every 90 days.

Both allow extension of stay with same financial proof (400k in bank or 40k income). Both will end if conditions for issue ends. Both allow stay for one year and can be continued if conditions continue to be met.

[dsj]

You are wrong there is such a visa as I know someone that has, and also siam-visa has it on there website. here is the link.

http://www.siam-visas.com/thai-visas/guardian-visa/

Here is the link for a marriage visa

http://www.siam-visas.com/thai-visas/marriage-visa/

[Mario2008]

As has been said, the visa in both cases is a non-immigrant O visa. There is no difference and also not regarding the financial reasosn for an extension of stay from immirgation. Only the documents you must provide differ a little bit, as you either proof your marriage or being the fahter of the child.

Having a Thai child does not allow you to stay in Thailand indefinately, nor does it allows you to buy land. (You can buy land for your child, but it is your child's land than and under supervision of the courts. You can not just sell it or rent it out for instance).

[thomdixon]

Star Member is correct.

I have had extensions based on marriage, extensions based on supporting a Thai child (guardian) and they are basically the same except immigration is much stricter in it's controls for supporting a child. An inspector visited my home, talked to the maids, the neighbors, to security, I had to prove my children were in school with certificates from the schools complete with photos of my children in front of their schools and they went and talked to the schools.

I like the fact that immigration takes the well being of the children so seriously.

[Mario2008]

They are not basically the same, they are the same. Only the required documents are different.

Strictly speaking Thai immigration doesn't know an extension based on marriage or an extension based on having chidren with Thai nationality. Formally It is a an extension of stay based on being a familymember of a Thai national.

[thomdixon]

They are not basically the same, they are the same. Only the required documents are different.

Strictly speaking Thai immigration doesn't know an extension based on marriage or an extension based on having chidren with Thai nationality. Formally It is a an extension of stay based on being a familymember of a Thai national.

The stamps put into the passport are not the same. One says marriage and the other says to support a Thai child.

The requirements are not the same. The inspection process is not the same.

I did mine about 5 years ago so perhaps immigration has become less rigid now so I cannot comment on the present day situation.

[Mario2008]

2.18 In the case of being a family member of a Thai national (applicable only to parents, spouse, children, adopted children, or spouse’s children):

Each permission shall be granted for no more than one year.

1) The alien must have been granted a non-immigrant visa (NON-IM).

(2) The alien must have proof of relationship.

(3) In the case of spouse, the relationship must be

de jure and de facto; or

(4) In the case of children, adopted children, or spouse’s children, said children, adopted children, or spouse’s children must not be married, must live with the alien as part of the family, and must not be over 20 years of age; or

(5) In the case of parents, the father or mother must maintain an average annual income of no less than Baht 40,000 per month throughout the year or must have deposited funds of no less than Baht 400,000 to cover expenses for one year. For other necessary cases, the Commander or Deputy Commander of Immigration Bureau is granted the authority to make decisions regarding approval on a case-by-case basis.

Also when marrei housvisit and talking to the neighbours etc are the norm for first extension.

[cooked]

if you get divorced, your marriage visa is no longer in force. you have 7 days to leave or get another visa. So when your kid approaches the age of 21, you have to adopt another kid? Sounds good...

[lopburi3]

Actually you must leave the day your extension of stay status changes. You can apply for a 7 day packout period using a new TM.7 and 1,900 baht fee however.

[Mario2008]

if you get divorced, your marriage visa is no longer in force. you have 7 days to leave or get another visa. So when your kid approaches the age of 21, you have to adopt another kid? Sounds good...

The kid under 21 refers to a foreign kid (from a previous relationship) living with his foreign parent and that parents Thai spouse.

If you have a Thai child and you live with them or he/she with you, you can get an extension of stay regardless of the age of your Thai child. You would apply under sub 5, not 4.