Popular Post submaniac Posted March 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2012 Just going to ask people's opinions and thoughts.... And to begin with, I want to say this. Some people on this forum I know are true long term expats. People who have been in Thailand for decades. People who have spent more of the years of their lives in Thailand than back in Falangland. There are still others who, while not having spent as much time in Thailand as others, have nonetheless spent a good chunk of years, and started families and whatnot in Thailand. My opinion, is that most of the long term folks have a really good understanding of Thai culture, and the mindset. These people generally don't make much ado about their knowledge and understanding. For the most art they don't brag about how much they know, or how long they've been in country, or try to impress others with their knowledge. Now there are others who are kind have gone a bit "overboard" in their Thai-ness. These are the people who, in conversation with you will be trying to point out "how things work in Thai culture" to you, or on this forum, interjecting their knowledge of Thai culture on their posts. Certain people (and I will not name names, as "calling anybody" out is not the purpose of this post) go on to post their responses in a way they think, the Thais think. Like they post stuff that is so Thai nationalistic that maybe only 1% of the Thai people are in favor of the things said. It's almost a challenge "I'm more Thai than you". I picture these people wearing traditional Thai clothing everyday, and walking around wai'ing lamp posts. I have seen a couple posts that go so far towards Thai nationalism that other posters think or assume they are Thai. And alot of the stuff is like...crazy, like no Thai other than an extremist nationalist would think that. And people on here think a Thai wrote that, and that these are the opinions of a Thai when it's just an opinion of a whacky Falang. I suspect and KNOW these people have not been in Thailand that long Just wanted to know what others thought about those who seem to going a bit overboard into their assimilation into Thai culture. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Do you have an example? I don't really look at posts and think this guy is a farang trying to prove his Thainess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TexasRanger Posted March 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2012 Like the ones with the big buddha necklaces or the Thai Sak Yant tattoos on their backs? You get people like that in most countries, they call it going native. They crave respect when they go on this forum, but I don't look down on them, maybe they work in professions where they have never had any respect and feel they will get it by showing how knowledgable they are of all things Thai. Maybe they really do want to be Thai? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overherebc Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Like the ones with the big buddha necklaces or the Thai Sak Yant tattoos on their backs? You get people like that in most countries, they call it going native. They crave respect when they go on this forum, but I don't look down on them, maybe they work in professions where they have never had any respect and feel they will get it by showing how knowledgable they are of all things Thai. Maybe they really do want to be Thai? Kind of like the guys from UK who move to the states and within a short time are walking around with a stetson a huge belt buckle and a plastic Texas accent. Maybe an extreme view but just my take. Never forget where you come from, homeland I mean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmac Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I forget who it was, but I remember one member coining the perfect description for them, "Thaier than Thai"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRanger Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I saw a couple of Farang once on the BTS in Bangkok speaking Thai to each other and I thought that was a bit odd, however I was introduced to an old german guy the other night and he didn't speak english and I certainly can't speak german so we ended up talking in Thai, that was out of necessity though, not for show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutoie2 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Twas an old British colonial saying - "gone native" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) They are pathetic, put simply. Even my Thai friends laugh at them and think they are w*nkers. Me, i just feel embarrassed for them. Invariably these types haven't lived here that long either. Edited March 17, 2012 by carmine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 But does this 'gone native' actually exist? So there are those on the forum that are relaxed about most things in Thailand and accept things the way they are, do not feel the need to nitpick and grumble There are those who attempt, and those who suceed in learning the language There are those who find flipflops more comfortable than shoes So what is this Thaier than Thai? does it exist on a grand scale, or is it just an over exagerated concept in the minds of a few looking for yet something else to criticise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post carmine Posted March 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2012 But does this 'gone native' actually exist? So there are those on the forum that are relaxed about most things in Thailand and accept things the way they are, do not feel the need to nitpick and grumble There are those who attempt, and those who suceed in learning the language There are those who find flipflops more comfortable than shoes So what is this Thaier than Thai? does it exist on a grand scale, or is it just an over exagerated concept in the minds of a few looking for yet something else to criticise? Its the gap year student types that got hyped up on Thailand after watching The Beach. Been here a few months, then want to become buddhists, refer to LOS as their spiritual home, look down on anyone eating western food, wai children and blert on endlessly about giving something back to the "people". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpyoldman Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 "most of the long term folks have a really good understanding of Thai culture, and the mindset. These people generally don't make much ado about their knowledge and understanding." Thats because we'll never be Thais, we'll never 100 % understand all that is the culture, and due to being foreigners we will never really be able to integrate completely into the fabric of their society. I believe the dawning of this realization to be a large reason why Expats tend to head back home. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasRanger Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 I believe the dawning of this realization to be a large reason why Expats tend to head back home. Yep, that and affordable health care when they get old Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 But does this 'gone native' actually exist? So there are those on the forum that are relaxed about most things in Thailand and accept things the way they are, do not feel the need to nitpick and grumble There are those who attempt, and those who suceed in learning the language There are those who find flipflops more comfortable than shoes So what is this Thaier than Thai? does it exist on a grand scale, or is it just an over exagerated concept in the minds of a few looking for yet something else to criticise? Its the gap year student types that got hyped up on Thailand after watching The Beach. Been here a few months, then want to become buddhists, refer to LOS as their spiritual home, look down on anyone eating western food, wai children and blert on endlessly about giving something back to the "people". Ok I see where you are coming from........but If it makes them happy....why not leave them to get on with it? I can see why some westerners prefer a less intensive lifestyle having visited Thailand, I have never felt more than the occasional need to eat out at burger places or pizza places in europe, certainly not in Thailand, I enjoy Thai home cooking, I return the Wai of my mother in law........ Maybe I am guilty........if so from the side of a Thaier than Thai person.......the way I behave feels perfectly normal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carmine Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 But does this 'gone native' actually exist? So there are those on the forum that are relaxed about most things in Thailand and accept things the way they are, do not feel the need to nitpick and grumble There are those who attempt, and those who suceed in learning the language There are those who find flipflops more comfortable than shoes So what is this Thaier than Thai? does it exist on a grand scale, or is it just an over exagerated concept in the minds of a few looking for yet something else to criticise? Its the gap year student types that got hyped up on Thailand after watching The Beach. Been here a few months, then want to become buddhists, refer to LOS as their spiritual home, look down on anyone eating western food, wai children and blert on endlessly about giving something back to the "people". Ok I see where you are coming from........but If it makes them happy....why not leave them to get on with it? I can see why some westerners prefer a less intensive lifestyle having visited Thailand, I have never felt more than the occasional need to eat out at burger places or pizza places in europe, certainly not in Thailand, I enjoy Thai home cooking, I return the Wai of my mother in law........ Maybe I am guilty........if so from the side of a Thaier than Thai person.......the way I behave feels perfectly normal I agree to just letting them get on with it. Funny thing is these types tend to be far less tolerant towards other foreigners and the tolerance here is one of the aspects i most like about Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hands22 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Nice post, OP! I especially like this part- 'I picture these people wearing traditional Thai clothing everyday, and walking around wai'ing lamp posts.' Well, if it makes them happy- so be it! I would certainly prefer these pseudo-Thai than those shirtless and loud expats anytime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUDAS Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Ahh yes, I know the type of person the OP is referring to. I find that they originally come from a small village outside the town of Twatsville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes I like to play cards, drink sangsom, smoke wacky baccy, sleep around and generally lounge about staring into space all day long. But I'll never apologise for any of this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 But does this 'gone native' actually exist? So there are those on the forum that are relaxed about most things in Thailand and accept things the way they are, do not feel the need to nitpick and grumble There are those who attempt, and those who suceed in learning the language There are those who find flipflops more comfortable than shoes So what is this Thaier than Thai? does it exist on a grand scale, or is it just an over exagerated concept in the minds of a few looking for yet something else to criticise? Its the gap year student types that got hyped up on Thailand after watching The Beach. Been here a few months, then want to become buddhists, refer to LOS as their spiritual home, look down on anyone eating western food, wai children and blert on endlessly about giving something back to the "people". Ok I see where you are coming from........but If it makes them happy....why not leave them to get on with it? I can see why some westerners prefer a less intensive lifestyle having visited Thailand, I have never felt more than the occasional need to eat out at burger places or pizza places in europe, certainly not in Thailand, I enjoy Thai home cooking, I return the Wai of my mother in law........ Maybe I am guilty........if so from the side of a Thaier than Thai person.......the way I behave feels perfectly normal I agree to just letting them get on with it. Funny thing is these types tend to be far less tolerant towards other foreigners and the tolerance here is one of the aspects i most like about Thailand Well perhaps just as some foreigners see them as (to quote a post above) "pathetic"..........their tolerance for certain types of foreign visitors is limited too Do they have the right to feel this way.......I guess that is the crux of the "Thaier than Thai" discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes I like to play cards, drink sangsom, smoke wacky baccy, sleep around and generally lounge about staring into space all day long. But I'll never apologise for any of this. Well, not quite what I am talking about. Do you have an example? I don't really look at posts and think this guy is a farang trying to prove his Thainess Hmmm....I could point to specific posts, but I really don't want to call anyone out. Check the news section regarding foreign ownership of Thai land...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes I like to play cards, drink sangsom, smoke wacky baccy, sleep around and generally lounge about staring into space all day long. But I'll never apologise for any of this. Well, not quite what I am talking about. All I'm getting at is Thainess or not is just a reflection of someone's own personality..not where they necessarily originate or choose to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes I like to play cards, drink sangsom, smoke wacky baccy, sleep around and generally lounge about staring into space all day long. But I'll never apologise for any of this. Sounds like you got that off to an art there Smokie. Does that help for your residence permit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
submaniac Posted March 17, 2012 Author Share Posted March 17, 2012 All I'm getting at is Thainess or not is just a reflection of someone's own personality..not where they necessarily originate or choose to live. hmmm....I'm not talking about leading a relaxed, Thai lifestyle, or wearing flip flops...more along the lines of falangs suggesting the mass arrest and deportation of other falangs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dsprtliving Posted March 17, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2012 Saw a good example of this just last week in front of my local 7-11 right down from MBK. I was coming out of the shop on my way home from work when a barefoot farang hobbles past me in his Muay Thai shorts and singlet into the SomTum shop greeting each member of the staff with a deep hands pressed to forehead "Wai" to each member of staff working there. My only thought was "wow, your a brave soul!"...as the only other folks i've seen seen walking the sidewalks of Bangkok minus their shoes are the occasional crazed beggar. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 All I'm getting at is Thainess or not is just a reflection of someone's own personality..not where they necessarily originate or choose to live. hmmm....I'm not talking about leading a relaxed, Thai lifestyle, or wearing flip flops...more along the lines of falangs suggesting the mass arrest and deportation of other falangs. Hmm I wonder do the majority of Thai people want most farangs to be kicked out? Not sure that is Thainess as such in these people...perhaps more a sense of being superior...or simply that they are not very sociable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Yes I like to play cards, drink sangsom, smoke wacky baccy, sleep around and generally lounge about staring into space all day long. But I'll never apologise for any of this. Sounds like you got that off to an art there Smokie. Does that help for your residence permit? You don't understand...this persona has no need for visas and such like...being the free spirit that I am.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macksview Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 i dont live in thailand only visit, only a pup on most things thai. a while ago my father in law went on a trip with old comrades of his to their old stomping grounds in the far north east, he came back with three amulets on string, from the wat at nakon panom (spelling), i have never worn others, but he gave them to me. he wanted me to wear them when we drive on long trips around thailand. he is highly superstitious obviously. last year he talked to me about getting a tattoo on my back, supposed to protect me from evil,from a temple down near chanthaburi where he had his done. that i wont do, i have survived this long without tattoos. those on the hippy trail, or the farang gone native tatts, their decision, no matter how silly they look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lannarebirth Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 All I'm getting at is Thainess or not is just a reflection of someone's own personality..not where they necessarily originate or choose to live. hmmm....I'm not talking about leading a relaxed, Thai lifestyle, or wearing flip flops...more along the lines of falangs suggesting the mass arrest and deportation of other falangs. Hmm I wonder do the majority of Thai people want most farangs to be kicked out? Not sure that is Thainess as such in these people...perhaps more a sense of being superior...or simply that they are not very sociable. Or perhaps it's "projection". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokie36 Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 All I'm getting at is Thainess or not is just a reflection of someone's own personality..not where they necessarily originate or choose to live. hmmm....I'm not talking about leading a relaxed, Thai lifestyle, or wearing flip flops...more along the lines of falangs suggesting the mass arrest and deportation of other falangs. Hmm I wonder do the majority of Thai people want most farangs to be kicked out? Not sure that is Thainess as such in these people...perhaps more a sense of being superior...or simply that they are not very sociable. Or perhaps it's "projection". Haha yes...plenty lose their sense of perspective after a while. I think it stems mostly from having nothing better to do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDrinker Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 Cracking thread!! You should see some of these bufoons offload their "Thainess" routines if, like me, you happen to look like a tourist. This week in A Nana Gogo bar some fool came stomping in, waied all the dancers, and staff then began barking (low class) pidgin atonal Thai at them. I think he was about to say something about me to the dollies however the fact that myself and my pal were roaring with laughter at him seemed to put him off and he departed swiftly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZZELL Posted March 17, 2012 Share Posted March 17, 2012 (edited) I think most of these types are found outside 7-11's with a bottle of Chang... They are also the one's who sometimes talk to you in "Tinglish"... RAZZ Edited March 17, 2012 by RAZZELL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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