Thai Govt Must Block Plans For Red-Shirt 'Welcome' For Thaksin

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POLITICS

Govt must block plans for red-shirt 'welcome' for Thaksin

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- The ruling Pheu Thai Party should try to block a red-shirt leader from mobilising the crowds in the Northeast to act as a shield for the homecoming of fugitive former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra, a Democrat MP said yesterday.

"Thai society would be in disarray should mob rule prevail over the rule of law," Thepthai Senpong said in reference to Kwanchai Praipana's pledge to ensure a safe passage for Thaksin by mobilising millions of red shirts.

He said Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra and Deputy Prime Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit were both obliged to uphold the law.

Kwanchai urged Thaksin to return through the Thai-Lao Friendship Bridge in Nong Khai following the Songkran celebrations in Vientiane in April. He said he would mobilise some 10 million Isaan people to welcome and protect Thaksin.

Democrat Party spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said he was sceptical that Kwanchai would actually carry out such a mobilisation.

Chavanond said should Thaksin decide to return home, he would first encounter the immigration police, who could detain and treat him as a fugitive.

"Thaksin should finally decide to comply with the judicial process so that the political conflict can end," he said.

Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua said Thaksin could decide for himself about the timing for his homecoming.

Although supporters and well-wishers, including Kwanchai, might be calling for Thaksin's return, this is nothing new and the final decision will rest with Thaksin, he said.

He said in his personal view, Thaksin should be allowed to return - but the timing would hinge on prevailing circumstances such as the political situation.

He said he detected no activity to mobilise the crowds as claimed by Kwanchai.

Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul said Thaksin's homecoming should take place in a dignified manner and not through a border checkpoint, as suggested by Kwanchai.

Surapong said he was unaware of Thaksin's plans because he had not had a meeting or a talk with him for a while.

-- The Nation 2012-03-21

[mca]

He said he would mobilise some 10 million Isaan people to welcome and protect Thaksin

Which equates to approximately half of Isaan's population.

​One thing I totally respect Kwanchai for is his ability to get his hand on the best weed. It's the only possible explanation for his output.

[Bakseedaa]

Just makes you laugh...55555

[OzMick]

His first figure was so obviously unbelievable, he thought he may as well multiply it by a 1000. What a maroon!

[CalgaryII]

"Govt. must block plans for red-shirt 'welcome' for Thaksin," #1^

Don't think the Govt. is responsible for advancing Opposition agenda's

"Thai society would be in disarray should mob rule prevail over the rule of law," Thepthai Senpong said in reference to Kwanchai Praipana's pledge to ensure a safe passage for Thaksin by mobilising millions of red shirts.

• That was certainly the case in 2006, and the coup consequences. "Rule of Law" wasn't a consideration then.
  
• It wouldn't take a 'Kwanchai' to mobilize the Red Shirts. that would happen all by itself.
  
• The opposition needs to come to some accomodation with the fact that the coup and their criminalization campaign justifying their coup, was never endorsed by their political opposites, as evidenced at R'song, and validated by last years election.
  

"Thaksin should finally decide to comply with the judicial process so that the political conflict can end," he said."

• Viewing that judicial process within the coup rooted political conditions at the time, make them null and void,
  
• That is the substance of the Nititirat proposals and the view of the electoral majority.
  
• To continue and try to suggest otherwise according to the Opposition agenda doesn't fly.
  
• Using means to eliminate political opposition other than through competitive elections doesn't compute.
  

"Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul said Thaksin's homecoming should take place in a dignified manner and not through a border checkpoint, as suggested by Kwanchai."

• Actually I agree with that.
  
• Kwanchai can say anything he wants. Same way Mr. Abhisit and Suthep can talk about 'men in black'. These guys can say whatever they want, substance be damned.
  

Edited March 21, 2012 by CalgaryII

[lovetotravel]

• It wouldn't take a 'Kwanchai' to mobilize the Red Shirts. that would happen all by itself.
  

Easy to mobilize the red shirts. Just pay them like has always been done in the past!

• Kwanchai can say anything he wants. Same way Mr. Abhisit and Suthep can talk about 'men in black'. These guys can say whatever they want, substance be damned.
  

The men in black are a proven fact.

It would for sure be a sad thing if the ruling government didn't abide by the rule of the land. Let Thaksin come back and fight these battles in court. Better than fighting them in the media.

[hellodolly]

"Govt. must block plans for red-shirt 'welcome' for Thaksin," #1^

Don't think the Govt. is responsible for advancing Opposition agenda's

"Thai society would be in disarray should mob rule prevail over the rule of law," Thepthai Senpong said in reference to Kwanchai Praipana's pledge to ensure a safe passage for Thaksin by mobilising millions of red shirts.

• That was certainly the case in 2006, and the coup consequences. "Rule of Law" wasn't a consideration then.
  
• It wouldn't take a 'Kwanchai' to mobilize the Red Shirts. that would happen all by itself.
  
• The opposition needs to come to some accomodation with the fact that the coup and their criminalization campaign justifying their coup, was never endorsed by their political opposites, as evidenced at R'song, and validated by last years election.
  

"Thaksin should finally decide to comply with the judicial process so that the political conflict can end," he said."

• Viewing that judicial process within the coup rooted political conditions at the time, make them null and void,
  
• That is the substance of the Nititirat proposals and the view of the electoral majority.
  
• To continue and try to suggest otherwise according to the Opposition agenda doesn't fly.
  
• Using means to eliminate political opposition other than through competitive elections doesn't compute.
  

"Foreign Minister Surapong Towichukchaikul said Thaksin's homecoming should take place in a dignified manner and not through a border checkpoint, as suggested by Kwanchai."

• Actually I agree with that.
  
• Kwanchai can say anything he wants. Same way Mr. Abhisit and Suthep can talk about 'men in black'. These guys can say whatever they want, substance be damned.
  

substance be damned

Is that your normal policy?

[hellodolly]

How about letting the red bring him back and protect him for years in one of the rice field hands home where he has brought them so much.

Enjoy the fruits of his deeds.

Edited March 21, 2012 by hellodolly

[noitom]

How about letting the red bring him back and protect him for years in one of the rice field hands home where he has brought them so much.

Enjoy the fruits of his deeds.

Thailand has no idea that this kind of conflict engendering is no good for tourism. Why would tourists want to get caught up in this circus?

[BigJohnnyBKK]

Thailand has no idea that this kind of conflict engendering is no good for tourism. Why would tourists want to get caught up in this circus?

And what makes you think tourism looms so large on his decision-making? Yes, it's important to the country's economy, but not **that** important!

And even the Thai economy as a whole isn't that important for people at that level - compared to their own power.

[trainman34014]

I would assume that one morning we will all wake up to be told that Thaksin is back in the country and in a safe house somewhere under the control of 'Immigration Police'. Can't imagine there will be a welcoming circus as among the crowds may be lurking someone paid enough money to take him down. Indeed; I often wonder if he has this in his own mind as he contemplates his return. He could figure that he has to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life if he returns.

[animatic]

Kwanchai is a moving mouth, but he has his relatively small following, though the press reports on him far beyond his actual reach. But any lunatic can get some press by saying something like ' The Dams will explode on this date'.

[thaicbr]

'He said in his personal view, Thaksin should be allowed to return - but the timing would hinge on

prevailing circumstances such as the political situation.'

As far as I'm aware there is NOTHING stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand other than himself. He can return at any time.

Am I wrong????

[animatic]

I would assume that one morning we will all wake up to be told that Thaksin is back in the country and in a safe house somewhere under the control of 'Immigration Police'. Can't imagine there will be a welcoming circus as among the crowds may be lurking someone paid enough money to take him down. Indeed; I often wonder if he has this in his own mind as he contemplates his return. He could figure that he has to be looking over his shoulder the rest of his life if he returns.

Which I doubt would be a very long one if he does.

He's caused far too much destruction to be allowed to continue on Thailand soil.

Is that a wise decision to take, who can say,

but there are without any doubts some who will think like that.

Many factions and nothing of this sort need be anything close to a top down decision, just one acted on somewhere in the Thailand kow tow food chain.

[animatic]

'He said in his personal view, Thaksin should be allowed to return - but the timing would hinge on

prevailing circumstances such as the political situation.'

As far as I'm aware there is NOTHING stopping Thaksin from returning to Thailand other than himself. He can return at any time.

Am I wrong????

No you are correct.

Of course he might be waiting to be told 'someone would publicly say he is not to be touched'....

Which is about the ONLY way, 'some group or other sub-hierarchy ' would hold back.

And by 'some group' I am not implying'the army' or 'social hierarchy'

or anything resembling a legitimate command chain,

there are plenty of counterparts to Sae Daeng, but lower key, on the other side of the social divide.

Thaksin must know how many feet he's stomped on and toes broken in his time.

Edited March 21, 2012 by animatic

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Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to Return Home

BANGKOK: -- The deposed prime minister's legal adviser denies involvement in a red-shirt leader's plan to bring him back to Thailand during the Songkran holiday.

Legal adviser to former prime minister Thakin Shinawatra, Noppadon Pattama, spoke to the press regarding the comments made by a leader of the red-shirt group in Udon Thani, Kwanchai Praipana, that Thaksin will return home during the Songkran holiday.

Noppadon insisted that Thaksin has no intention of returning from self-exile in accordance with the plan set out by Kwanchai.

Noppadon stated that there is good intention among the red-shirts in wanting Thaksin to return to Thailand, but he noted that Thaksin did not initiate or is involved in Kwanchai's plan.

He reaffirmed that Thaksin has no plans to return to Thailand anytime in the near future.

He stated that Thaksin and his family will celebrate the traditional Thai New Year festival in Laos. He reiterated that Thaksin will visit Laos to make merit and meet his family.

Meanwhile, Pheu Thai party-list MP, Korkaew Pikulthong said Thaksin will not return to Thailand since as soon as he steps on Thai soil, the police could take him into custody.

Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity.

-- Tan Network 2012-03-21

[mrtoad]

Red Democracy = Mob Rule

[CalgaryII]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

Edited March 21, 2012 by CalgaryII

[GentlemanJim]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

You seem to go to great lengths to pull apart the statements in the media, forgetting that in general they are mostly inaccurate anyway, written by Journo's who use English as a second (sometimes third it seems) language.

So in your defence of Thaksin you seem to be suggesting that the Judiciary did not make unbiased lawful judgements. How exactly would you defend Thaksin's blatant evasion (not avoidance) of taxes during the selling of Shincorp? How do you defend the acquisition of land and resale at massively inflated prices to government projects by family members? (as good as any insider trading scam). The man basically had everything, he now wants so much more. He is a crook and a criminal and until any judicial ruling is found faulty by the judiciary then upon his return he MUST be treated like the fugitive criminal that he is. Please explain why he deserves a dignified return?

[coma]

How about letting the red bring him back and protect him for years in one of the rice field hands home where he has brought them so much.

Enjoy the fruits of his deeds.

That may not be as strange as it seems.

If they went all the way it would be Isaan annexing itself under Thaksins rule. It wouldn't be the first time in history that Isaan has tried to breakaway on its own.

[necronx99]

How about letting the red bring him back and protect him for years in one of the rice field hands home where he has brought them so much.

Enjoy the fruits of his deeds.

That may not be as strange as it seems.

If they went all the way it would be Isaan annexing itself under Thaksins rule. It wouldn't be the first time in history that Isaan has tried to breakaway on its own.

If they did it would be the first time a nations currency was directly pegged to the barfine index?

[Thai at Heart]

Aside from the riot that may ensue, just arrest him at the border.

[newjobs61]

WOW adulf hitler is coming back home the bright side

more new rules better curuption faster pay off's and new visa laws down to 6 days at borders great things to look forward too

and dictate more news on a need to know basis

[phiphidon]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

You seem to go to great lengths to pull apart the statements in the media, forgetting that in general they are mostly inaccurate anyway, written by Journo's who use English as a second (sometimes third it seems) language.

So in your defence of Thaksin you seem to be suggesting that the Judiciary did not make unbiased lawful judgements. How exactly would you defend Thaksin's blatant evasion (not avoidance) of taxes during the selling of Shincorp? How do you defend the acquisition of land and resale at massively inflated prices to government projects by family members? (as good as any insider trading scam). The man basically had everything, he now wants so much more. He is a crook and a criminal and until any judicial ruling is found faulty by the judiciary then upon his return he MUST be treated like the fugitive criminal that he is. Please explain why he deserves a dignified return?

1. Sales of listed shares through the SET has always been tax exempt. If you want to blame anybody blame Korn for not pursuing the Revenue Department. Try looking in the other paper for info on this. Illegal, No, ethical, No - you show me a truly ethical successful businessman or politician.

The Appeals Court has overturned the Criminal Court's ruling and acquitted ex wife of former premier Thaksin Shinawatra, Khunying Pojaman Na Pombejara, in a 546 million baht Shin Corporation tax evasion case.

http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/viewdata.aspx?DataID=1047096

If you're complaining about foreign ownership of Shin Corp see who else was involved. Try digging deeper and look at Siam Commercial Bank and the dig a bit deeper and you''ll see why nobody really is going to argue this point.

2. Thaksins wife bought the land for 772 million baht, a reasonable price at the time. The civil court said this was illegal and she must give back the land to the FIDF and reimburse her for the original cost plus the difference between the original outlay and the new worth, which they did. It's called property price growth and is normal (unless you mess about with unrealistic mortgages as the americans did and effed us all up)

As I've said before, hardly Blomfeld territory, many others had their finger in the pie but the focus is on one man.

[phiphidon]

Should I explain GBS as well?

George Bushs' son?

[animatic]

Please tape the boxes shut and mail them somewhere else.

[anterian]

American Presidents, Austrian nobles, Kings and Ministers all get assassinated, Nowhere is safe. Remember this http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/israels-greatest-hits-dubai-history-targeted-killing-now/story?id=9856671#.T2mPO8XxqQk

Dubai is not safer than anywhere else if the assassins are determined. Thaksin in Thailand surrounded by loyalists would actually probably be safer than in Dubai.

[ratcatcher]

American Presidents, Austrian nobles, Kings and Ministers all get assassinated, Nowhere is safe. Remember this http://abcnews.go.co...71#.T2mPO8XxqQk

Dubai is not safer than anywhere else if the assassins are determined. Thaksin in Thailand surrounded by loyalists would actually probably be safer than in Dubai.

I am sure Saeh Daeng's daughter wiould agree with your point.

[tlansford]

"Deposed Premier Refuses Plan to return Home" #16^

"Korkaew said the government and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra may be accused of negligence if Thaksin is not arrested once he enters the country as he has a pending jail term because he was found guilty of wrongdoing in his wife's purchase of a plot of land from a state entity"

• Did Korkaew say all that?......Hmmm, somehow I doubt it.
  
• I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth.
  
• I know it is a favorite bit of misdirection by the Opposition. to state baldly that Thaksin is judicially illegal, as if it was within a normal judicial context. For that reason I don't think Korkeaw laid it out quite that way.
  
• The Opposition often fail to qualify this thing within the circumstance at the time. The wee tad of extra information about it being during a coup administration who deposed him for self-serving reasons, and then launched into an equally self-serving criminalization campaign in an attempt to exculpate themselves.
  
• Hardly the stuff of judicial normalcy and therefore the focus of the Nitirat proposals.
  
• Gives some indication why this opposition is so opposed to Nitirat, that they will even send goons after them.
  
• This is also a repetitive statement of mine, but when some media have no qualms about such repetition, neither will I.
  

"I notice it was not a direct quote.....Just somebody saying Korkaew said it. In effect puitting words in his mouth."

this just represents the standards of journalism at TANN - quotations are verboten.

[coma]

How about letting the red bring him back and protect him for years in one of the rice field hands home where he has brought them so much.

Enjoy the fruits of his deeds.

That may not be as strange as it seems.

If they went all the way it would be Isaan annexing itself under Thaksins rule. It wouldn't be the first time in history that Isaan has tried to breakaway on its own.

If they did it would be the first time a nations currency was directly pegged to the barfine index?

lol !!!