Thai Women And Cleanliness?

[opothai]

now now blubble

if i give you some money and some sweeties, be a good little girlie and go to the cinema for an hour or two and leave the adults alone for a while.

Quit with the condescending bs opothai. If you paid attention that post was made by the OP, easttech and not by blabbel.

Next time think before you post.

yes i see i did make a mistake and i appologise to eastech, it was taken from blabbles last reply to my self and yes i copied and pasted the incorrect part of the posting

however this [blabble] poster has been following me around and generally goading me with his consistent replies'give me stats, give me stas and sources, now i make a comment that surely does not hurt any one and you jump down my throat, now i have seen other comments that are far worse than i have posted you do not and have not made a comment, is thier a point to this comment.

part of the fun of a forum is to get reactions and blabble has got a reaction from myself it is not the end of the world on my part and i doubt very much whether it is the end of the world on his behalf either.

this thread has been fun sometimes informative and sometimes controversial but it has been a busy one with plenty of participation and pasion.

i see you have the power to 'give people holidays' suspentions but i have seen along with others suspentions are getting a bit frequent for trivial reasons.

if we are to have in depth postings, things do get heated and if you stop that then i'm afraid you will stop the passion.

once again my appologies to eatech for my copying and pasting skills

Edited January 18, 2006 by opothai

[sbk]

I have not given you a holiday, nor an official warning. Just a reminder to pay attention when posting. If you find it stern, then good. Maybe next time you will think before posting.

And that goes to everyone who decides to get personal in the forum. Personal attacks are not allowed. Something to remember.

[gburns57au]

I have not given you a holiday, nor an official warning. Just a reminder to pay attention when posting. If you find it stern, then good. Maybe next time you will think before posting.

And that goes to everyone who decides to get personal in the forum. Personal attacks are not allowed. Something to remember.

But it happens so often....and is rarely punished...

I thought that more than one Mod was required to take any such action on this site...??? Am I right??

[Boo]

I thought that more than one Mod was required to take any such action on this site...??? Am I right??

No.

[blabbel]

I know this is getting tedious , but since I've been misquoted and accused (and he apologised to someone else ), please let me put the record straight:

yes i see i did make a mistake and i appologise to eastech, it was taken from blabbles last reply to my self and yes i copied and pasted the incorrect part of the posting

No part of your quoting was taken from my post, makes me wonder whether you even read it the first or second time you referred to it.

however this [blabble] poster has been following me around and generally goading me with his consistent replies'give me stats, give me stas and sources, ...

I do find it odd to accuse me of following you around, since I have posted on both threads this may refer to, before you joined the discussion.

I also advise you to pay more attention before attacking.

Anyway, I suggest to wind this down, I admit I have been provocative, but I didn't intend to cause such a strong reaction from you, I just disagree with you a lot.

[gburns57au]

I thought that more than one Mod was required to take any such action on this site...??? Am I right??

No.

Sorry then I was misinformed by some other mods and Admins many moons ago

[Boo]

Sorry then I was misinformed by some other mods and Admins many moons ago

Thats ok

[Wes Turner]

Thai's always wash their vagina before sex whereas it's not a priority for western women, especially Swedes, but on the upside westen women get the beers in and they know how to have fun, though not always whe to stop drinking - especially if they're British.

I love all women no matter what, but if they are clean women of course it is better.

Apologies I had replied without reading the opening post.

Thai women can be downright lazy if they are from a bar and sometimes if they are really posh, but in general they do keep very tidy.

My sister in law is obsessed with tidyness, she folds plastic bags, plucks bent hairs from the floor sweeper and she'll even wash out an empty tuna tin before throwing it away! All bonkers these Thai chicks, in some way or another.

Edited January 18, 2006 by Wes Turner

[kat]

Thai's always wash their vagina before sex whereas it's not a priority for western women, especially Swedes, but on the upside westen women get the beers in and they know how to have fun, though not always whe to stop drinking - especially if they're British.

ok, I know this is going to open up a possible torrent of abuse, but I want to confront this statement, and the attitudes behind it.

Thai women wash their genitals before sex, even if they have bathed 3 times that day. Do Thai men also wash their genitals befor sex, even if they have bathed previously?

Westerners who practice good hygiene and bathe daily, but also in addition bathe right before sex, would be considered neurotic, anal, and compulsive in the West. We would not view it as sexual, because it is a gesture that is seen not to be consistent with the passion or heat of a moment.

In Southeast Asia, women are considered dirty, polluted, and impure. This concept is endemic to the culture and the religion. This is why women are still not allowed to enter temples that harbor relics of the Buddha, and touch monks. As a matter of fact, in a sense, you could argue that women are not vauled at all, which is why there is such a "little girl" or young girl fixation here. The whole deeply held value of dirty/fresh comes back to this.

I think there are a couple of things going on here:

On a cultural level as stated above, women are not valued, and must erase or neutralize all traces of their womanhood, by basically sanitizing her genitals so that she erases the natural smell of a woman. The preferred smell is nothing at all, or, more like that of a little girl.

On a practical level, it is a tropical country, and there are a higher number of women who wear synthetic panties here; that is not a good combination. In that case, and in the case of extreme humidity, I can see how it is necessary. Barring that, I think it is the case above.

Edited January 18, 2006 by kat

[Wes Turner]

Thai's always wash their vagina before sex whereas it's not a priority for western women, especially Swedes, but on the upside westen women get the beers in and they know how to have fun, though not always whe to stop drinking - especially if they're British.

ok, I know this is going to open up a possible torrent of abuse, but I want to confront this statement, and the attitudes behind it.

Thai women wash their genitals before sex, even if they have bathed 3 times that day. Do Thai men also wash their genitals befor sex, even if they have bathed previously?

Westerners who practice good hygiene and bathe daily, but also in addition bathe right before sex, would be considered neurotic, anal, and compulsive in the West. We would not view it as sexual, because it is a gesture that is seen not to be consistent with the passion or heat of a moment.

I don't agree Kat, I would never accuse a woman of being nurotic if she wanted to wash her motor before coming to bed. always have a 'gentlemans wash' if I think falatio will ensue, cause that's the kind of considerate guy I am.

In Southeast Asia, women are considered dirty, polluted, and impure. This concept is endemic to the culture and the religion. This is why women are still not allowed to enter temples that harbor relics of the Buddha, and touch monks. As a matter of fact, in a sense, you could argue that women are not vauled at all, which is why there is such a "little girl" or young girl fixation here. The whole deeply held value of dirty/fresh comes back to this.

I agree, that sucks - I value women above all else.

I think there are a couple of things going on here:

On a cultural level as stated above, women are not valued, and must erase or neutralize all traces of her womanhood, by basically sanitizing here genitals so that she erases the natural smell of a woman. The preferred smell is nothing at all, or more like that of a little girl.

What's good about the natural small of a woman? It stinks down there, especially in this climate. However, after a shower there is still a wonderful subtle sweet smell of, okay, I sense that if I say the 'P' word I may offend so let's just say womanly intimacy from within.

On a practical level, it is a tropical country, and there are a higher number of women who wear synthetic panties here; that is not a good combination. In that case, and in the case of extreme humidity, I can see how it is necessary. Barring that, I think it is the case above.

If I had read the first post before replying then I would have seen that this was about tidyness, but hey, perhaps it was still valid ater all.

[blabbel]

How many beers have you had?

[kat]

"What's good about the natural small of a woman? It stinks down there, especially in this climate. However, after a shower there is still a wonderful subtle sweet smell of, okay, I sense that if I say the 'P' word I may offend so let's just say womanly intimacy from within."

Under the circumstances where a woman practices good hygiene and is showered, but not necessarily as a ritual that she stops to do right before sex ... I can think of many men who would disagree with you. There are a lot of men who like the natural smell of a woman.

"I don't agree Kat, I would never accuse a woman of being nurotic if she wanted to wash her motor before coming to bed. always have a 'gentlemans wash' if I think falatio will ensue, cause that's the kind of considerate guy I am."

How do you do this if you don't know how or when you will have sex? I think in the West, if you do it before anything starts, it seems presumptuous. If you interrupt activity to get up and wash, it seems compulsive, and also breaks the momentum of what you were just doing.

I think there are other things that go along with these preferences and attitudes besides smell.

*edit: I agree the topic is a bit risque, especially on this forum, but it is perfectly in line with the topic. And trust me it isn't a topic that is not being discussed otherwise. Why not discuss it in the open?

Edited January 18, 2006 by kat

[blabbel]

"How do you do this if you don't know how or when you will have sex? I think in the West, if you do it before anything starts, it seems presumptuous."

Well, at some stage it becomes obvious to both were it's heading, so you state that you're going to have a shower, and invite your partner to come along, if you feel like it. I haven't found anyone how'd take this the wrong way.

[soic]

To be honest, I think that was a little sexist. "Me caveman, you woman, clean the cave!" My Thai lady keeps a perfectly clean house. She bathes constantly. She cooks, she cleans, she's good to me. I cook, I clean and I treat her like a queen. Your home will be what you make it. If you love her and she loves you, you will take care of each other. Your home is not your castle, it's the life you decide to share with your wife. You should know your lady before you marry. Observe her habits, if she tosses clothes to the floor and leaves them lying about, it will be the same after you marry. If she's tidy now, she'll be tidy after you marry her. Observe your habits too... if you expect a maid, hire one and keep dating.

[kat]

"How do you do this if you don't know how or when you will have sex? I think in the West, if you do it before anything starts, it seems presumptuous."

Well, at some stage it becomes obvious to both were it's heading, so you state that you're going to have a shower, and invite your partner to come along, if you feel like it. I haven't found anyone how'd take this the wrong way.

What if the person has just showered before meeting you? Do you still require them to shower right before?

I don't really expect an answer, because it's going to be hard to have a general discussion that doesn't degenerate into pejorative mud-slinging. I just want to personally say that it has never been necessary for me or any person that I've been with to hop in the shower exactly prior to sex, and it has mostly been more than fine. Maybe I just naturally pick exceptionally clean and hygenic people, or maybe I'm just honest.

[Patex]

Thai's always wash their vagina before sex...

Hi Wes,

How do you come to this conclusion?

As I heard, prostitutes do so.

I always wonder about these guys who think it is normal that his wife showers 5,6,7,8 times a day...

When I had to stay in a sexual relationship to a women 20-30 years over my age I wouldn't leave the shower for eternity .

Patex

[kat]

Patex, thanks for your honesty, but I think in this last sentence, you meant 'If' instead of 'when'.

[Patex]

Sorry about my English and do not bother to correct me

[kat]

no problem with your English Patex. I just don't want people to misunderstand your comment

[Fast Eddie]

I have to say, in the hot and humid climate of Thailand, i think having a shower before getting down to business is generally a good idea. I can take the lady to the shower if killing the moment is a concern, we can soap each other down, it can be enjoyable

Of course, if she tells me that she's just had a shower and doesn't want another, then that's okay. However, if she's been strolling around Bangkok all afternoon/evening, or on the beach and in and out of the sea, then i'm going to be a little more unyielding in my demands. But that is also dependant on what i think her response will be, and how it might effect my current opportunity. Allowances can be made

If i feel a bit hot and sweaty i do like to have a shower, both for myself and out of consideration for the other person's experience.

[Ulysses G.]

How do you do this if you don't know how or when you will have sex? I think in the West, if you do it before anything starts, it seems presumptuous. If you interrupt activity to get up and wash, it seems compulsive, and also breaks the momentum of what you were just doing.

I agree with kat.

In the West, if a guy is trying to initiate sex with someone that they haven't been with before and they suddenly get up to take a shower before actually doing anything, the young lady might not be there when they return!

[udon]

How many beers have you had?

Hi blabbel.

You've been here before, what was your previous nic?

[Old Croc]

How many beers have you had?

Hi blabbel.

You've been here before, what was your previous nic?

zza...?

[sriracha john]

How many beers have you had?

Hi blabbel.

You've been here before, what was your previous nic?

Seems to be an epidemic lately....

[kat]

I have to say, in the hot and humid climate of Thailand, i think having a shower before getting down to business is generally a good idea. I can take the lady to the shower if killing the moment is a concern, we can soap each other down, it can be enjoyable

Of course, if she tells me that she's just had a shower and doesn't want another, then that's okay. However, if she's been strolling around Bangkok all afternoon/evening, or on the beach and in and out of the sea, then i'm going to be a little more unyielding in my demands.

If i feel a bit hot and sweaty i do like to have a shower, both for myself and out of consideration for the other person's experience.

Of course! I think it's mandatory to have a shower just to get into my bed at night after strolling around Bangkok! I'm talking about requiring someone to have a shower who has just had a shower before meeting up.

I can't even sleep alone if I'm hot and sweaty. What I'm questioning is why so many put this emphasis on women bathing even if she is not hot and sweaty. I think some of it may be more about the natural smell of a woman, rather than if she is sweaty or not.

If I have doubts about someone's hygiene, I wouldn't sleep with them.

Edited January 19, 2006 by kat

[Sir Burr]

This is hardly a subject in good taste.

[Uma~~]

In general, do Thai women keep a clean house?

In general, yes they do.

How did we get from tidyness to personal hygiene?

[sriracha john]

In general, do Thai women keep a clean house?

In general, yes they do.

How did we get from tidyness to personal hygiene?

it was somewhere after discussing feminism and before twenty-seven posts of personal attacks amid charges ranging from immaturity to stalking.

Yes, I believe that is when the personal hygiene derailment occured.

But it now seems to be on-track.

*edit*... I may have the feminism part wrong in it's timing, but that was because there four other topics just prior and/or after it.

I hope that brings you up to speed now and we can all pick up on some other new topic within this thread.

Edited January 19, 2006 by sriracha john

[Donz]

My Thai fiancee loves to clean. she cleans both bathrooms twice a week, vacuums, cooks and washes the dishes. And she generally loves it

My last aussie gf had to go because she wouldnt do her job properly, never cleans and starts getting lippy when i tell her the house is a mess.

[gburns57au]

My Thai fiancee loves to clean. she cleans both bathrooms twice a week, vacuums, cooks and washes the dishes. And she generally loves it

What are you doing with my gal...