Its Reported Roy Hodgson Approached To Be England Manager

[Jockstar]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

[StevieH]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

isn't the scotland one less a thread, more a threadbare mate?

[rijit]

I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but Sensible is the key word here steve, was Ramsey sensible when he lost the wingers will 'sensible' get that little bit extra bit of brilliance that could well be needed to win a tournament, It's debatable and totally a judgement call, but ari for all his faults i could honestly imagine pullin everyone together inspiring and doing it with a touch of style, hodgson, MMMMM!!!!I'm yet to be convinced, but as i say, time to put that behind, ultimately hodgson has 2 be judged on results, not opinions.

[rijit]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

Ahhh, Bless!!

[rijit]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

isn't the scotland one less a thread, more a threadbare mate?

LOL....

Edited May 4, 2012 by rijit

[Jockstar]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

isn't the scotland one less a thread, more a threadbare mate?

[mommysboy]

Anyway Hodgson....4-5-1 it will be a marvellous 0-0 team.

I'm off to the bookies...

Yeah thats going to be an issue

No doubt England's hierarchy will feel safe with Hodgson. And let's be fair Hodgson has the best cv of any given Englishman at the mo, He organizes teams v v well, gets the best out of good prem players but will hodgson be able to unlock unquestionable potential of the t England players and turn them into world beater's, like Robson almost did, no doubt the potential's there, it just needs the right man to unlock it, will pragmatic hodgson be the one, some how i doubt it..

Oh No! not the hyperbole. This is the sort of language that will have the Jocks drooling in to their porridge anticipating that great fall that only misplaced English pride can bring.

But, if you were less emphatic yes I would agree completely, it's not half a bad squad, and we have a decent keeper this time round.

What hasn't changed is that the players will be jaded as.... usual, so I fear we won't do much,.... as usual.

[mommysboy]

I know he sounds fairly aweful but i'd choose to listen him over the rest of the other so called commentators. I'd also choose to listen to him rather than look at him!!

yeah quite, because he knows what he's talking about. same goes for graham taylor on the radio. if you listen to radio five live these days and have to suffer clueless, witless, gobshite morons like steve claridge and robbie savage you're physically crying out for likes of pleat and taylor.

Yeah agreed mate what ive done recently is knock the live chat on the head and listen to 5 lives daily footie podcast it edits most of the bullshit that the likes savage and claridge comes out with and tries to give a balanced condensed view. Taylors recnt interview regarding his time at the England job and his thoughts on the current situ was good stuff. and as i said u didnt have to suffer all the bollacks that's sprouted to listen to it.

Yes I listened to that podcast too very insightful, they also had a WBA player giving some more insight in to Hodgson as a coach, what came through strongly was that he brings out the talent in players, this is a key issue with England. Some of the lesser lights might be more useful in the squad than the stars, as they are less likely to be tired.

[rijit]

I know he sounds fairly aweful but i'd choose to listen him over the rest of the other so called commentators. I'd also choose to listen to him rather than look at him!!

yeah quite, because he knows what he's talking about. same goes for graham taylor on the radio. if you listen to radio five live these days and have to suffer clueless, witless, gobshite morons like steve claridge and robbie savage you're physically crying out for likes of pleat and taylor.

Yeah agreed mate what ive done recently is knock the live chat on the head and listen to 5 lives daily footie podcast it edits most of the bullshit that the likes savage and claridge comes out with and tries to give a balanced condensed view. Taylors recnt interview regarding his time at the England job and his thoughts on the current situ was good stuff. and as i said u didnt have to suffer all the bollacks that's sprouted to listen to it.

Yes I listened to that podcast too very insightful, they also had a WBA player giving some more insight in to Hodgson as a coach, what came through strongly was that he brings out the talent in players, this is a key issue with England. Some of the lesser lights might be more useful in the squad than the stars, as they are less likely to be tired.

ff

yeah maybe using some players who arnt the best will help the cause, it could be argued that Geoff Hurst wasn't exactly amongst the elite/best players in England at the time, he just suited the system? and look what he did,

[RichBKK]

just to carry on from my last post there is an argument that England are the 'west brom' of international football and Hodgson's pragmatism is what we need. Our qualifying record suggest's other wise, one off games were fine but what we've never, is harsh,but rarely got right is tournament footie,i'm not sure what the recipe is, but for sure there is one, maybe Hodgson can pull them all together, who knows. One thing for sure weve got him for ?? years so best we all get behind him, apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread! now thats sad, almost as sad as your national team, but not quite.

That bit isnt quite true. Know its fashionable to dismiss England as an average team but in fairness they have only lost one qualifier in 4 years and that was a dead game away in Ukraine. There is a level England are at, basically the way I see it there are 4 tiers of international sides

tier A - Spain [world champions], Brazil [nuff said], Holland [getting a bit old now though], Germany [consistent, promising, young]

Tier B - France [rebuilding, getting back to tier A status], Portugal [poor qualifiers, tend to scrape in to tournaments these days], Argentina [magnificent forward line when on form, piss poor back 4], Uruguay [up and coming], England [solid qualifiers, dont lose many games]

tier C - Switzerland [good youth system], Norway [dull to watch, good at home], Sweden [dropped away a little], ROI [make the most of their limitations], Finland [meh], ukraine [solid but not great], Montenegro [not a bad team for a country of their size and relative youth]

tier D - Cannon fodder

England I see them as a more Spurs type side, some decent fullbacks and wide attacking players, a mostly solid defence and have found a decent keeper, with the majority of the first team having had or are presently playing key roles in teams in the Champions league. Hodgson though doesnt embrace width as a rule, his experience at international level is with the tier C sides i.e. West Brom type teams. If Roy was to become Spurs manager I would expect him to go the same way as he did at liverpool and Blackburn [at that time]. hes a tier C manager promoted to manage a tier B side with a media focus more appropriate to that of a tier A nation. Roy doesnt cope well with scrutiny of his methods either and has a habit of waffling <deleted> in press conferences if too much attention is paid to him, something hes not used to in his normal lesser tier jobs as people arent that interested in what happens at these places as they are at others. And champions League players are going to be sceptical about taking instruction from a man who has never managed at that level

mind you, if he gets shot of Stuart Pearce, as seems to be hinted, that wouldnt be a terrible start. But a 4 year deal for Hodgson is in my view a very naive, regressive and over-optimistic decision

oh well, I really hope I am wrong

Basically hes a yes man promoted above and beyond his comfort zone and that is likely to be exposed at this level

[smokie36]

apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread!

Yes we have.

isn't the scotland one less a thread, more a threadbare mate?

Get the cards out Jockstar!

[rijit]

just to carry on from my last post there is an argument that England are the 'west brom' of international football and Hodgson's pragmatism is what we need. Our qualifying record suggest's other wise, one off games were fine but what we've never, is harsh,but rarely got right is tournament footie,i'm not sure what the recipe is, but for sure there is one, maybe Hodgson can pull them all together, who knows. One thing for sure weve got him for ?? years so best we all get behind him, apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread! now thats sad, almost as sad as your national team, but not quite.

That bit isnt quite true. Know its fashionable to dismiss England as an average team but in fairness they have only lost one qualifier in 4 years and that was a dead game away in Ukraine. There is a level England are at, basically the way I see it there are 4 tiers of international sides

tier A - Spain [world champions], Brazil [nuff said], Holland [getting a bit old now though], Germany [consistent, promising, young]

Tier B - France [rebuilding, getting back to tier A status], Portugal [poor qualifiers, tend to scrape in to tournaments these days], Argentina [magnificent forward line when on form, piss poor back 4], Uruguay [up and coming], England [solid qualifiers, dont lose many games]

tier C - Switzerland [good youth system], Norway [dull to watch, good at home], Sweden [dropped away a little], ROI [make the most of their limitations], Finland [meh], ukraine [solid but not great], Montenegro [not a bad team for a country of their size and relative youth]

tier D - Cannon fodder

England I see them as a more Spurs type side, some decent fullbacks and wide attacking players, a mostly solid defence and have found a decent keeper, with the majority of the first team having had or are presently playing key roles in teams in the Champions league. Hodgson though doesnt embrace width as a rule, his experience at international level is with the tier C sides i.e. West Brom type teams. If Roy was to become Spurs manager I would expect him to go the same way as he did at liverpool and Blackburn [at that time]. hes a tier C manager promoted to manage a tier B side with a media focus more appropriate to that of a tier A nation. Roy doesnt cope well with scrutiny of his methods either and has a habit of waffling <deleted> in press conferences if too much attention is paid to him, something hes not used to in his normal lesser tier jobs as people arent that interested in what happens at these places as they are at others. And champions League players are going to be sceptical about taking instruction from a man who has never managed at that level

mind you, if he gets shot of Stuart Pearce, as seems to be hinted, that wouldnt be a terrible start. But a 4 year deal for Hodgson is in my view a very naive, regressive and over-optimistic decision

oh well, I really hope I am wrong

Basically hes a yes man promoted above and beyond his comfort zone and that is likely to be exposed at this level

What bit isnt true?The bit where I present an argument, as in 3 rd party, ie not necessarily mine, but a train of thought, get my drift? or the bit that counters that argument and i say 'our qualifying record suggests otherwise in one off games' ie qualifying, 'were fine ' or the bit where I give the jocks a bit of stick? Oh nice tiering by the way, , cos just as a point of interest you have england at 9th out of 15 and quess where west brom are standing in the prem? 10th out of 20 !!!!! average or what?

[StevieH]

I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but Sensible is the key word here steve, was Ramsey sensible when he lost the wingers will 'sensible' get that little bit extra bit of brilliance that could well be needed to win a tournament, It's debatable and totally a judgement call, but ari for all his faults i could honestly imagine pullin everyone together inspiring and doing it with a touch of style, hodgson, MMMMM!!!!I'm yet to be convinced, but as i say, time to put that behind, ultimately hodgson has 2 be judged on results, not opinions.

no mate, there's no style to hodgson - that was my point. he's a purely pragmatic appointment but i don't believe the fa did it for that reason.

ramsey playing hurst ahead of greaves in the world cup 66 would have had him pilloried by the press these days. would have been mental. but then he won, so everything else doesn't matter.

[smokie36]

Shades of '66....quick close it now Jockstar before they start singing...

[salty]

With the right linesman England could go far.

[RichBKK]

just to carry on from my last post there is an argument that England are the 'west brom' of international football and Hodgson's pragmatism is what we need. Our qualifying record suggest's other wise, one off games were fine but what we've never, is harsh,but rarely got right is tournament footie,i'm not sure what the recipe is, but for sure there is one, maybe Hodgson can pull them all together, who knows. One thing for sure weve got him for ?? years so best we all get behind him, apart from u smoke's ure excused cos u've got ure own scotland team to chat bout, whoops sori mate they aint got a thread! now thats sad, almost as sad as your national team, but not quite.

That bit isnt quite true. Know its fashionable to dismiss England as an average team but in fairness they have only lost one qualifier in 4 years and that was a dead game away in Ukraine. There is a level England are at, basically the way I see it there are 4 tiers of international sides

tier A - Spain [world champions], Brazil [nuff said], Holland [getting a bit old now though], Germany [consistent, promising, young]

Tier B - France [rebuilding, getting back to tier A status], Portugal [poor qualifiers, tend to scrape in to tournaments these days], Argentina [magnificent forward line when on form, piss poor back 4], Uruguay [up and coming], England [solid qualifiers, dont lose many games]

tier C - Switzerland [good youth system], Norway [dull to watch, good at home], Sweden [dropped away a little], ROI [make the most of their limitations], Finland [meh], ukraine [solid but not great], Montenegro [not a bad team for a country of their size and relative youth]

tier D - Cannon fodder

England I see them as a more Spurs type side, some decent fullbacks and wide attacking players, a mostly solid defence and have found a decent keeper, with the majority of the first team having had or are presently playing key roles in teams in the Champions league. Hodgson though doesnt embrace width as a rule, his experience at international level is with the tier C sides i.e. West Brom type teams. If Roy was to become Spurs manager I would expect him to go the same way as he did at liverpool and Blackburn [at that time]. hes a tier C manager promoted to manage a tier B side with a media focus more appropriate to that of a tier A nation. Roy doesnt cope well with scrutiny of his methods either and has a habit of waffling <deleted> in press conferences if too much attention is paid to him, something hes not used to in his normal lesser tier jobs as people arent that interested in what happens at these places as they are at others. And champions League players are going to be sceptical about taking instruction from a man who has never managed at that level

mind you, if he gets shot of Stuart Pearce, as seems to be hinted, that wouldnt be a terrible start. But a 4 year deal for Hodgson is in my view a very naive, regressive and over-optimistic decision

oh well, I really hope I am wrong

Basically hes a yes man promoted above and beyond his comfort zone and that is likely to be exposed at this level

What bit isnt true?The bit where I present an argument, as in 3 rd party, ie not necessarily mine, but a train of thought, get my drift? or the bit that counters that argument and i say 'our qualifying record suggests otherwise in one off games' ie qualifying, 'were fine ' or the bit where I give the jocks a bit of stick? Oh nice tiering by the way, , cos just as a point of interest you have england at 9th out of 15 and quess where west brom are standing in the prem? 10th out of 20 !!!!! average or what?

I would go with a European style club ranking more than anything. The qualification campaigns define England as regular qualifiers for major tournaments in which they usually get through the groups. That could be almost equated with a club qualifying for the Champions league through the league, which is more Spurs rather than West Brom. Perhaps Europa league would be those teams who sometimes if they do well qualify or nearly qualify for major tournaments but usually go out before the knockouts, which may equate to a Fulham type outfit like say Switzerland or Finland, which are the teams more like West brom and Fulham, which is more Roy's level. On the tiering things I could have added shitloads of other teams to the 3 tiers outside the elite, particularly to tier 3 which I would decribe as the 'middle of the road' tier, where Hodgson could pass through and go relatively unnoticed and maybe overachieve a little given time. But above that he is likely to make a team worse than the sum of their parts, hes a bit of a glass ceiling fella

England are second tier, roy is 3rd tier and whenever hes stepped up to a second tier job hes been generally found wanting. Thats the job hes found himself in now IMO, but with a intrusive and demanding media who you would normally expect of a first tier nation. thats basically my point/theory which I reckon will play out the way I expect, a Taylor repeat perhaps. the omens of Euro 92 are there

makes sense if you think about it. England are a better side in proportion to West brom though they are not at the Man U/Spain level. Teams Hodgson have managed internationally in the past are more West brom like I reckon than they are

Edited May 4, 2012 by RichBKK

[smokie36]

Only Sir is 1st tier among the Premiership managers.

[RichBKK]

Only Sir is 1st tier among the Premiership managers.

Well, amongst british ones anyway

is why i think redknapp would have been a better fit. Like Venables, his skillset suit the crop of players more [these days, width and pace] and knows his way around the press who eat out of his hands. Hodgson has no real charisma, tends to play narrow football and he got protected by the press when he managed Liverpool but that wont be afforded to him as England manager, he wasnt 'their' man in this instance, he was an establishment pick. They generally achieve little of note. The best thing to hope is that he maintains Englands present level playing dull functional football but think he will do less than that

I hope I am wrong and he does better but its unlikely

[MrRed]

For Scotland see Rochdale.

[LucidLucifer]

For Scotland see Rochdale.

That comparison is a bit unfair on Rochdale, don't you think?

Macclesfield would be a better fit.

[rijit]

Shades of '66....quick close it now Jockstar before they start singing...

With the right linesman England could go far.

AHHH are the little scotch boys getting bored ? cos their teams crap and they've got nothing to talk about? never mind heres one for your thread ,youre striker Mackie will probably get relegated, to the championship this weekend,, its said to b good for scotland to have ENGLISH prem experienced strikers?Dont u think ? or maybe not.

[Jockstar]

AHHH are the little scotch boys getting bored ? cos their teams crap and they've got nothing to talk about?

We know we are not as good as other teams. However you think you are better than others when you are not.

BTW we are called Scots.

[cardholder]

AHHH are the little scotch boys getting bored ? cos their teams crap and they've got nothing to talk about?

We know we are not as good as other teams. However you think you are better than others when you are not.

BTW we are called Scots.

Doesn't matter what you call yourselves - you are still crap - 48th in world rankings I believe. (although up from 51st )

I only consider England to be better-ish than the teams 8th and lower in those rankings.

[smokie36]

Yes mate we are crap. But....you lot think you're half decent. We know you are also crap. Hence the piss taking.

We won't stop...no we won't stop....

[cardholder]

Yes mate we are crap. But....you lot think you're half decent. We know you are also crap. Hence the piss taking.

We won't stop...no we won't stop....

That is understandable - you have nothing else to do this Summer - NOTHING !

[smokie36]

Yes mate we are crap. But....you lot think you're half decent. We know you are also crap. Hence the piss taking.

We won't stop...no we won't stop....

That is understandable - you have nothing else to do this Summer - NOTHING !

Leaving aside your clearly delusional sense of superiority for a moment.....I really hope its a cracking tournament. Let's see some wonderful attacking football!

Now on that note I hope England are on the plane home nice and early.

[cardholder]

Yes mate we are crap. But....you lot think you're half decent. We know you are also crap. Hence the piss taking.

We won't stop...no we won't stop....

That is understandable - you have nothing else to do this Summer - NOTHING !

Leaving aside your clearly delusional sense of superiority for a moment.....I really hope its a cracking tournament. Let's see some wonderful attacking football!

Now on that note I hope England are on the plane home nice and early.

I am not quite sure where you saw a "delusional sense of superiority" - I have exhibited none and if the stats show Scroteland at 48th in the rankings and England 7th that is hardly delusional. It most certainly is superior - I'll grant you that.

[smokie36]

We won our last encounter cardholder. Let me remind you....

[cardholder]

We won our last encounter cardholder. Let me remind you....

Oh Smokie, Smokie - resorting to selective stats !

What about the previous 5 results ? or,

Try these:-

As of November 2008, the teams have played 110 matches; England have won 45, Scotland 41, and there have been 24 draws

[MrRed]

The Olympics is coming maybe you will have a player playing,maybe?