Sonthi Lobs Explosive Bill Into House

[Payboy]

Sonthi no longer the darling of the yellow brigade - I'm absolutely appalled.

It's the other Sonthi who is considered the darling of the PAD. The coup leader Sonthi was considered to be not too bright by most yellows when he immediately handed over power to Surayut after the coup.

You mean he was an useful tool only while the coup lasted.

Edited May 29, 2012 by Payboy

[Buchholz]

the why, part II

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Else he could be arrested for running a coup.

Mutiny is punished by death.

As is Thaksin's already-existing treason charge.

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Why worry about the fugitive thaksin when your mate Sondthi has been sentenced to 20 years and hes walking around scott free. Sondthi should be tried for treason for taking over the airport

"my mate"?

I'm not worried about anyone. I just posted the actual reality.

As opposed to pakorn7's and your's potential reality regarding Sonthi and Sondthi.

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[phiphidon]

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

[phiphidon]

"my mate"?

I'm not worried about anyone. I just posted the actual reality.

As opposed to pakorn7's and your's potential reality regarding Sonthi and Sondthi.

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Does that equal reality extend to the treason charge for Thaksin? All I am asking for is a link.

[Siripon]

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

Still it's a pity Thaksin doesn't want the judicial process to play out, revealing what happened exactly at Rachaprasong.

The PAD leaders don't want an amnesty too, and they're certainly not covered by an emergency decree.

[tragickingdom]

It is called "guilt" and an attempt to spare him from a long long poison term in the future. Just like in Latin America laws that were passed by coup makers to give them immunity will always be repelled twenty, thirty years onward.

[belg]

let the man come home, put him a few months (years) under house arrest, so he can live like a prince and make him pay 308% taxes on the money he owns the people of thailand, same as they do with luxery cars

[gand]

Sonthi no longer the darling of the yellow brigade - I'm absolutely appalled.

It's the other Sonthi who is considered the darling of the PAD. The coup leader Sonthi was considered to be not too bright by most yellows when he immediately handed over power to Surayut after the coup.

You mean he was an useful tool only while the coup lasted.

But not of the yellow shirts.

[Thaddeus]

let the man come home, put him a few months (years) under house arrest, so he can live like a prince and make him pay 308% taxes on the money he owns the people of thailand, same as they do with luxery cars

But then he would not only be a convicted criminal (which he is already) he would also have served time, meaning that he couldn't take part in politics any longer.

But, but, he said that he had retired from the political arena and would take no further part in it.

I'm lost in the wilderness of truth now, help me please Gkid, Tland, Mr Pee Pee..... please help us, how can our saviour say one thing, and then do another.

How can he turn an old friend and mentor in to an enemy and then back in to a friend again.

I need enlightenment, and money...... but I'll settle for just money.

[rubl]

let the man come home, put him a few months (years) under house arrest, so he can live like a prince and make him pay 308% taxes on the money he owns the people of thailand, same as they do with luxery cars

But then he would not only be a convicted criminal (which he is already) he would also have served time, meaning that he couldn't take part in politics any longer.

But, but, he said that he had retired from the political arena and would take no further part in it.

I'm lost in the wilderness of truth now, help me please Gkid, Tland, Mr Pee Pee..... please help us, how can our saviour say one thing, and then do another.

How can he turn an old friend and mentor in to an enemy and then back in to a friend again.

I need enlightenment, and money...... but I'll settle for just money.

Money, enlightenment? I'm terrible sorry, old chap, I can only offer some cheap lyrics

And now we're lost in wilderness

Lost,crying in the wilderness

And if anyone's watching it seems they couldn't care less

We're lost wilderness

[MaiChai]

The truth has been twisted so much that people don't know what the truth is anymore. Thailand heads further into the abyss and who can save it? Surly not another coup?

As far as I am concerned Taksin is as guilty as h€ll and should serve some jail time.

[OzMick]

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

Do you see anything inappropriate in that?

If so, please give us an alternative for the situation that they faced.

Edited May 30, 2012 by OzMick

[gand]

The truth has been twisted so much that people don't know what the truth is anymore. Thailand heads further into the abyss and who can save it? Surly not another coup?

As far as I am concerned Taksin is as guilty as h€ll and should serve some jail time.

It appears TS used the red shirts for a little tit for tat that he got from the yellow shirts. Childish and deadly for the Thai people and country.

[phiphidon]

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

Do you see anything inappropriate in that?

If so, please give us an alternative for the situation that they faced.

You do not obviously. Yes I see a problem with a blanket amnesty on all wrongdoings under the emergency decree.

[kimamey]

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

I'm not sure which international court you mean. If you mean the International Criminal Court I'm not sure the events of 2010 (if that is what you are referring to) would come under their jurisdiction. The other complication with this is Abhisit's nationality. He is obviously Thai and Thailand hasn't ratified the Rome Treaty yet. As far as I know he does still have dual Thai / British nationality due to his birth in the UK which is a signatory. I have no way of knowing what he would do do if everything was in place for the ICC to call him. He may well prefer that as at least he has a reasonable chance of getting a fair hearing. From what I've heard it's unlikely he would be convicted anyway although you could always criticise some of his handling of the situation

I don't understand why you think he has done a deal with Thaksin. Thaksin apparently runs PTP which has a majority in parliament plus it has coalition partners. Why the need to to a deal with the leader of a minority party who would seem to have little support. Surely if Abhisit and his government are responsible for the deaths in 2010 then Thaksin's duty as someone who loves the country and wants to help would be to ensure that the perpetrators of these crimes are brought before the courts. Instead you seem to be suggesting Thaksin feels him coming back to Thailand without facing a 2 year sentence is more important than justice for those killed in 2010.

I don't know what Abhisit will do but I trust him more than Thaksin or most of his party. At least he has offered to wave immunity.

[gand]

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

I'm not sure which international court you mean. If you mean the International Criminal Court I'm not sure the events of 2010 (if that is what you are referring to) would come under their jurisdiction. The other complication with this is Abhisit's nationality. He is obviously Thai and Thailand hasn't ratified the Rome Treaty yet. As far as I know he does still have dual Thai / British nationality due to his birth in the UK which is a signatory. I have no way of knowing what he would do do if everything was in place for the ICC to call him. He may well prefer that as at least he has a reasonable chance of getting a fair hearing. From what I've heard it's unlikely he would be convicted anyway although you could always criticise some of his handling of the situation

I don't understand why you think he has done a deal with Thaksin. Thaksin apparently runs PTP which has a majority in parliament plus it has coalition partners. Why the need to to a deal with the leader of a minority party who would seem to have little support. Surely if Abhisit and his government are responsible for the deaths in 2010 then Thaksin's duty as someone who loves the country and wants to help would be to ensure that the perpetrators of these crimes are brought before the courts. Instead you seem to be suggesting Thaksin feels him coming back to Thailand without facing a 2 year sentence is more important than justice for those killed in 2010.

I don't know what Abhisit will do but I trust him more than Thaksin or most of his party. At least he has offered to wave immunity.

"At least he has offered to wave immunity." Thaksin should as well and face his mounting charges.

[OzMick]

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

Do you see anything inappropriate in that?

If so, please give us an alternative for the situation that they faced.

You do not obviously. Yes I see a problem with a blanket amnesty on all wrongdoings under the emergency decree.

As usual, you skipped the meat and went for the gravy. What alternative does a government have when armed militants are killing citizens, blocking commerce and bringing the country into disrepute - and have refused a peace settlement after accepting it once?

Does this not constitute an emergency?

[phiphidon]

the why, part II

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Else he could be arrested for running a coup.

Mutiny is punished by death.

As is Thaksin's already-existing treason charge.

.

Well you've had long enough to provide a link which hasn't happened. I have been searching for any link to state that Thaksin has an, as you put it, an "already-existing treason charge". Nothing to be found.

So, other than providing a link backing up what you have posted I can only assume that you have broken Rule 15. In short, you lied.

[Moruya]

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Depending on what you mean..If you listen to some on here G Prem was handing out veiled threats about the current cabinet being good people and taking Yingluck in for a cuppa. Lets look at it the other way. GP like Sonthi have beem caught bang to rights with regard to an irrefutable cable in which they commit LM, the very weapon they use to keep the status quo. It would be so easy for any Thai national to go into a police station and make a complaint with regard to LM. Instead certain parties have agreed a compromise whereby they only say nice things about PTT...or else. Its like silly 4rse Mark saying he waves his immunity, codswallop he done a deal and he knows he wont be in court anytime soon in a trade off for Thaksins return. Will Mark wave his immunity when an international court comes calling..

It's a difficult one for Thaksin's supporters when both Apisit and Suthep have expressed their willingness to face any judicial process.

They signed and brought into being an emergency decree - they are both covered of any wrongdoing by that and they know it.

Wasn't the emergency decree some legislation brought about by the Thaksin government?

[Buchholz]

the why, part II

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Else he could be arrested for running a coup.

Mutiny is punished by death.

As is Thaksin's already-existing treason charge.

Well you've had long enough to provide a link which hasn't happened. I have been searching for any link to state that Thaksin has an, as you put it, an "already-existing treason charge". Nothing to be found.

So, other than providing a link backing up what you have posted I can only assume that you have broken Rule 15. In short, you lied.

Who are you? The Central Scrutinizer? The Grande Arbiter? Someone that everyone has to answer up to?

Two reasons I haven't replied of yet with the first being the frequency of your posts disappearing lately or those posts responding to your inflammatory baits, I figured it's better to wait 24 hours before responding to make sure your post is sticking around.

The second is, you need to get in line for your answer. If you want to play The Grand Arbiter, you go pester birdpooguava to answer his unanswered post:

as it precedes my post by 2 and a half hours, I'll post my reply, within that time frame, after he posts his reply.

In the meantime, as The Central Scrutinizer you can peruse the other 5,270,665 posts in the News Forum for even earlier incidences of posts going unanswered.

Or just get back with me after birdpooguava's post is made.

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[phiphidon]

Who are you? The Central Scrutinizer? The Grande Arbiter? Someone that everyone has to answer up to?

Two reasons I haven't replied of yet with the first being the frequency of your posts disappearing lately or those posts responding to your inflammatory baits, I figured it's better to wait 24 hours before responding to make sure your post is sticking around.

The second is, you need to get in line for your answer. If you want to play The Grand Arbiter, you go pester birdpooguava to answer his unanswered post:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5341049

as it precedes my post by 2 and a half hours, I'll post my reply, within that time frame, after he posts his reply.

In the meantime, as The Central Scrutinizer you can peruse the other 5,270,665 posts in the News Forum for even earlier incidences of posts going unanswered.

Or just get back with me after birdpooguava's post is made.

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Didn't realise this had anything to do with birdpooguava or the frequency of my posts being removed, (one if you must know due to a copyright photo issue), whatever.

No, I just thought with such an important "fact" about Thaksins "existing treason charge" being posted you'd have the backing evidence at your finger tips and would have posted it at the same time.

[phiphidon]

Who are you? The Central Scrutinizer? The Grande Arbiter? Someone that everyone has to answer up to?

Two reasons I haven't replied of yet with the first being the frequency of your posts disappearing lately or those posts responding to your inflammatory baits, I figured it's better to wait 24 hours before responding to make sure your post is sticking around.

The second is, you need to get in line for your answer. If you want to play The Grand Arbiter, you go pester birdpooguava to answer his unanswered post:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5341049

as it precedes my post by 2 and a half hours, I'll post my reply, within that time frame, after he posts his reply.

In the meantime, as The Central Scrutinizer you can peruse the other 5,270,665 posts in the News Forum for even earlier incidences of posts going unanswered.

Or just get back with me after birdpooguava's post is made.

.

Didn't realise this had anything to do with birdpooguava or the frequency of my posts being removed, (one if you must know due to a copyright photo issue), whatever.

No, I just thought with such an important "fact" about Thaksins "existing treason charge" being posted you'd have the backing evidence at your finger tips and would have posted it at the same time.

[Buchholz]

Who are you? The Central Scrutinizer? The Grande Arbiter? Someone that everyone has to answer up to?

Two reasons I haven't replied of yet with the first being the frequency of your posts disappearing lately or those posts responding to your inflammatory baits, I figured it's better to wait 24 hours before responding to make sure your post is sticking around.

The second is, you need to get in line for your answer. If you want to play The Grand Arbiter, you go pester birdpooguava to answer his unanswered post:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5341049

as it precedes my post by 2 and a half hours, I'll post my reply, within that time frame, after he posts his reply.

In the meantime, as The Central Scrutinizer you can peruse the other 5,270,665 posts in the News Forum for even earlier incidences of posts going unanswered.

Or just get back with me after birdpooguava's post is made.

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Didn't realise this had anything to do with birdpooguava or the frequency of my posts being removed, (one if you must know due to a copyright photo issue), whatever.

No, I just thought with such an important "fact" about Thaksins "existing treason charge" being posted you'd have the backing evidence at your finger tips and would have posted it at the same time.

Sorry, but in rechecking the posts in this thread, I see that I was first asked about my post at 10:57. With birdpooguava being asked about his post at 7:34, that makes it (and please check my accuracy) 3 hours and 23 minutes after his post is made, I'll reply. That is if your post is still remaining then.

I'll save geriatrickid's "go look it up yourself" answer to a questioned post, which you didn't have any problem with, for another time.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5168441

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Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz

[phiphidon]

Who are you? The Central Scrutinizer? The Grande Arbiter? Someone that everyone has to answer up to?

Two reasons I haven't replied of yet with the first being the frequency of your posts disappearing lately or those posts responding to your inflammatory baits, I figured it's better to wait 24 hours before responding to make sure your post is sticking around.

The second is, you need to get in line for your answer. If you want to play The Grand Arbiter, you go pester birdpooguava to answer his unanswered post:

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5341049

as it precedes my post by 2 and a half hours, I'll post my reply, within that time frame, after he posts his reply.

In the meantime, as The Central Scrutinizer you can peruse the other 5,270,665 posts in the News Forum for even earlier incidences of posts going unanswered.

Or just get back with me after birdpooguava's post is made.

.

Didn't realise this had anything to do with birdpooguava or the frequency of my posts being removed, (one if you must know due to a copyright photo issue), whatever.

No, I just thought with such an important "fact" about Thaksins "existing treason charge" being posted you'd have the backing evidence at your finger tips and would have posted it at the same time.

Sorry, but in rechecking the posts in this thread, I see that I was first asked about my post at 10:57. With birdpooguava being asked about his post at 7:34, that makes it (and please check my accuracy) 3 hours and 23 minutes after his post is made, I'll reply. That is if your post is still remaining then.

I'll save geriatrickid's "go look it up yourself" answer to a questioned post, which you didn't have any problem with, for another time.

http://www.thaivisa....ost__p__5168441

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So no link then?

[carra]

Well another thread descends into Kindergarten, If you have a link then post it, if you don't have a link then don't post it. You talk about a charge of treason so give the evidence rather than hiding behind possibly the most juvenile argument I have ever seen on thaivisa, and there are plenty.

you make the comment so you provide the proof to back up your comment, oh and my dad is bigger than your dad etc etc etc parp parp

[gand]

The Thaksin government faced allegations of corruption, authoritarianism, treason, conflicts of interest, acting non-diplomatically, and muzzling of the press. Thaksin was accused of tax evasion, lèse majesté (insulting King Bhumibol), and selling assets of Thai companies to international investors. Independent bodies, including Amnesty International, criticized Thaksin's human rights record. Thaksin was also charged for concealing his wealth during his premiership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

His role in funding and inciting UDD/red shirts armed coup attempt would add to his treason.

[Buchholz]

Well another thread descends into Kindergarten, If you have a link then post it, if you don't have a link then don't post it. You talk about a charge of treason so give the evidence rather than hiding behind possibly the most juvenile argument I have ever seen on thaivisa, and there are plenty.

you make the comment so you provide the proof to back up your comment, oh and my dad is bigger than your dad etc etc etc parp parp

"ever seen" in your one month?

I don't have any problem with providing links with whatever I have posted as I've done so thousands of time before, but when it's demanded in such a manner as was evidenced by the Central Scrutinizer/Grand Arbiter manner posted above, I'm reminded of the countless other posts in which a question was asked and never replied to and yet no demands were ever placed upon the poster.

My point was that lots of posters never bother to respond to requests for quotes/links or answer a question that is asked, such as the linked geriatrickid's post provided shows.

If you last here, just remember this sort of ultimatum issued by phiphidon the next time a request for quotes/links is requested or a question to a post goes unanswered.

The highly touted "double standards" is so evident in the geriatrickid's post where numerous posts by several different posters was met with obfuscation and non-answers.... but that was all apparently ok with phiphidon.

Now if the glaring hypocrisy has been sufficiently exposed, then I'd just say that post # 7 was a misstatement on my part that doesn't change the thrust of it one iota.

Post # 7 reply should have read,

Still haven't the foggiest why on earth Sonthi is doing this.

Else he could be arrested for running a coup.

Mutiny is punished by death.

As is Thaksin's already-existing terrorism charge.

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There, now both of you can calm down and have a nice day.

p.s. If you need a link for the edited post:

http://www.guardian....arrant-thailand

p.s.s. it still wouldn't hurt to maintain your consistency to have a word with birdpooguava about answering his post. That is, whenever he has time to do so. (See? Notice the non-demanding nature?)

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Edited May 30, 2012 by Buchholz

[pastitche]

Democratically elected government intends to have cases heard by an independent court: NOT ACCEPTABLE

Decision taken by a court, set up by an illegal coup: ACCEPTABLE

The military did not set up any courts....same courts same laws as before the coup.

And the coup wasn't illegal....only unsuccessful coups are illegal.....else the US government and all the European governments would be big in troubles.....

Some European countries have been subject to military coups eg Spain, Portugal and Greece but that cannot be said about the USA, UK or most other European countries.

[phiphidon]

"ever seen" in your one month?

I don't have any problem with providing links with whatever I have posted as I've done so thousands of time before, but when it's demanded in such a manner as was evidenced by the Central Scrutinizer/Grand Arbiter manner posted above, I'm reminded of the countless other posts in which a question was asked and never replied to and yet no demands were ever placed upon the poster.

My point was that lots of posters never bother to respond to requests for quotes/links or answer a question that is asked, such as the linked geriatrickid's post provided shows.

If you last here, just remember this sort of ultimatum issued by phiphidon the next time a request for quotes/links is requested or a question to a post goes unanswered.

The highly touted "double standards" is so evident in the geriatrickid's post where numerous posts by several different posters was met with obfuscation and non-answers.... but that was all apparently ok with phiphidon.

Now if the glaring hypocrisy has been sufficiently exposed, then I'd just say that post # 7 was a misstatement on my part that doesn't change the thrust of it one iota.

Post # 7 reply should have read,

Else he could be arrested for running a coup.

Mutiny is punished by death.

As is Thaksin's already-existing terrorism charge.

-------------------------------------------------------------

There, now both of you can calm down and have a nice day.

p.s. If you need a link for the edited post:

http://www.guardian....arrant-thailand

p.s.s. it still wouldn't hurt to maintain your consistency to have a word with birdpooguava about answering his post. That is, whenever he has time to do so. (See? Notice the non-demanding nature?)

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Ah terrorism - what you meant all along, of course it was . Thank you for that "answer". Glad you took it so well, no bitterness at all

If you last here, just remember this sort of ultimatum issued by phiphidon the next time a request for quotes/links is requested or a question to a post goes unanswered.

The highly touted "double standards" is so evident in the geriatrickid's post where numerous posts by several different posters was met with obfuscation and non-answers.... but that was all apparently ok with phiphidon.

It's always one way, Buchholz, isn't it, never a threat or flame from yourself, you're always the innocent victim.

[Buchholz]

Never claim to be innocent, but the wisps of flame emitted are but the most miniscule in comparison to the bon fire received.

Even the Central Scrutinizer/Grand Arbiter lets them out.