PM Urged To Sack Official For Intimidating Judges

[Lite Beer]

PM urged to sack official for intimidating judges

The Nation on Sunday

BANGKOK: -- Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra must apologise to the Constitution Court judges and dismiss Yotwarit Chooklom as assistant secretary to the Interior minister for intimidating them, Democrat party-list MP Bunyod Sukthinthai said yesterday.

Yotwarit, better known as "Jen Dokjik", did not deserve to be paid a salary from taxpayers' money because he publicly announced the judges' telephone numbers and addresses on stage during a red-shirt rally, Bunyod said.

This action was a violation of the judges' privacy and an act of intimidation towards them and their families, the MP said.

"Since Yingluck has an image as a family woman, she should come out to protect judges and their families and dismiss Yotwarit,'' he said.

Democrat Party MP for Nakhon Si Thammarat Thepthai Senpong also voiced condemnation. He said some red-shirt actions, such as revealing judges' phone numbers, encircling the Constitution Court building in black cloth and threatening to cut the court's security budget were blatant acts of intimidation.

He said the reds should stick to the democratic means if they wanted to try to remove the judges through an impeachment process.

Pheu Thai Party spokesman Prompong Nopparit, meanwhile, urged the Constitution Court judges to review their decision to have Parliament suspend the deliberation of the charter-amendment bill.

He said the Attorney General and legal experts all agreed that complaints could not be filed directly with the court and must go through the Attorney-General.

He said the Attorney-General had dismissed as groundless the complainants' claim that the charter-change bill violated Article 68 of the Constitution for an intent to topple democracy.

Deputy Senate Speaker Nikom Wairatpanit said a meeting of government, opposition and Senate whips had been unable to reach agreement over the Constitution Court's decision to suspend House deliberation on the charter-amendment bill.

He believed House Speaker Somsak Kiatsuranont would not dare to call a vote on the amendment bill.

Nikom called on the Court judges to make a quick ruling on whether the bill is unconstitutional in order to curb the conflict between the judicial and legislative branches.

-- The Nation 2012-06-10

[Buchholz]

The ridiculousness of Yingluck's government is that this issue of the Red Shirt Leader, and a member of her government, who was openly intimidating the judiciary and inciting others to commit violence against their family members even needs to be "urged to be sack."

A gang of thugs running this clown show.

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Edited June 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[OzMick]

PTP has a habit of rewarding thuggery, sacking someone for encouraged behaviour would be odd at least.

[Yunla]

Distributing home-addresses of people being protested against, to an angry mob is certainly incitement to commit assault. It is a serious crime in itself, and becomes a much more serious crime if any of the judges or their familes are actually threatened, intimidated or attacked.

PTP are of course no strangers to crime, and working hard to change the legal definition of who in society is subjugate to laws, from 'everybody' (the old-fashioned outdated system) to 'everybody except our families, friends and card-carrying supporters'.

[jonclark]

If an average Thai citizen distributed the address and private details of a constitional court judge or a PTP /Dem MP or even the PM herself, would that be viewed as accepatble behaviour or would MPs cry foul?

Personally I think they should be allowed to issue the private information of any MP, judge or PM. I'm sure everyone would love to have access to the private contact details of Jatuporn, Abhisit, Yingluck, Suthep, Chalerm etc. I'm guessing Khun Yowarit and his fellow MP's might take a different view though should that information ever become public knowledge. Wonder why?

[GentlemanJim]

Well I am amazed that there has been no Government statement on the matter so far. It would appear that Yingluck is hoping that if she doesn't talk about it, then everyone will forget it happened.

[lujanit]

This "government" has only one agenda and that is to re-install Taksin and they will use any means possible. Illegal, corrupt, intimidation etc etc

[OzMick]

Well I am amazed that there has been no Government statement on the matter so far. It would appear that Yingluck is hoping that if she doesn't talk about it, then everyone will forget it happened.

She is most likely "unaware" but may promise "to look into it"..........."at an appropriate time".

[Crushdepth]

Pathetic. Just pathetic.

[Thaddeus]

Well I am amazed that there has been no Government statement on the matter so far. It would appear that Yingluck is hoping that if she doesn't talk about it, then everyone will forget it happened.

She is most likely "unaware" but may promise "to look into it"..........."at an appropriate time".

When she has finished with her box of kittens and thinking happy thoughts.

[LuckyLew]

IMO it gets to the point when event like this no longer become newsworthy

Gov;t employeee says or does someone

Someone from oppostion party say he should quit / be fired / or I will sue him

PM goes shopping and says nothing

The sun rises tomorrow and we start all over again

Sounds like Thailand is suffering from groundhog day all over again

[OzMick]

IMO it gets to the point when event like this no longer become newsworthy

Gov;t employeee says or does someone

Someone from oppostion party say he should quit / be fired / or I will sue him

PM goes shopping and says nothing

The sun rises tomorrow and we start all over again

Sounds like Thailand is suffering from groundhog day all over again

You forgot "DSI investigates, Tarit says there is no case, recommends AG not proceed."

[moe666]

heheheh wait until they get there charter rewrites you will have the red shirt bully boys on each soi corner enforceing the new agenda.

[bangkokbruce]

Nothing surprises me anymore from Red shirts and PTP....bent on making everyone's lives miserable just to get a piece of Thaksins money....just pathetic...welcome to Hellkok!

[FOODLOVER]

This lies squarely on the PM, she picked these criminals and is responsible for their actions.

[lannarebirth]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal charges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

Edited June 10, 2012 by lannarebirth

[geriatrickid]

Distributing home-addresses of people being protested against, to an angry mob is certainly incitement to commit assault. It is a serious crime in itself, and becomes a much more serious crime if any of the judges or their familes are actually threatened, intimidated or attacked.

PTP are of course no strangers to crime, and working hard to change the legal definition of who in society is subjugate to laws, from 'everybody' (the old-fashioned outdated system) to 'everybody except our families, friends and card-carrying supporters'.

Whether or not this was a criminal act is debatable.. No threat was made against the judges. The suggestion was that if you disagree, call or write the judges and let them know. What is not debatable is that it was an idiotic act and inexcusable for a representative of the government to have been implicated in such an activity. The man should be sacked from his position immediately and he must be reprimanded and sanctioned for such behaviour. A person in a position of responsibility must not act in this manner.

[TackyToo]

This lies squarely on the PM, she picked these criminals and is responsible for their actions.

You mean she picked these criminals from a list she received from Dubai, right?

[OzMick]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal chaqrges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

Helps to have a gang of thugs immune from prosecution, at least temporarily, when you need a little dirty work done.

But don't worry, there is always an accounting. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine.

[geriatrickid]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal chaqrges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

In the USA, the judges are easily identifiable and their phone numbers and addresses areoften public. Just ask the protestors found outside some judges homes. A judge cannot cite a non implicated party for contempt of court. The publishing of public information is not in itself contempt. There are other laws on the books that address alleged threats to state and federal judges in the USA.

[OzMick]

Distributing home-addresses of people being protested against, to an angry mob is certainly incitement to commit assault. It is a serious crime in itself, and becomes a much more serious crime if any of the judges or their familes are actually threatened, intimidated or attacked.

PTP are of course no strangers to crime, and working hard to change the legal definition of who in society is subjugate to laws, from 'everybody' (the old-fashioned outdated system) to 'everybody except our families, friends and card-carrying supporters'.

Whether or not this was a criminal act is debatable.. No threat was made against the judges. The suggestion was that if you disagree, call or write the judges and let them know. What is not debatable is that it was an idiotic act and inexcusable for a representative of the government to have been implicated in such an activity. The man should be sacked from his position immediately and he must be reprimanded and sanctioned for such behaviour. A person in a position of responsibility must not act in this manner.

In fact, he should never have been appointed as a party list MP, but some payback was due. If you think that is a personal opinion, it is also that of those who lodged complaints against PTP, which may see it disbanded as a result.

Do you have an opinion as to why PTP was so blatant in their breaches of electoral law last election?

[lannarebirth]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal chaqrges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

In the USA, the judges are easily identifiable and their phone numbers and addresses areoften public. Just ask the protestors found outside some judges homes. A judge cannot cite a non implicated party for contempt of court. The publishing of public information is not in itself contempt. There are other laws on the books that address alleged threats to state and federal judges in the USA.

That is not true. There is such a thing in US law as "indirect contempt of court" and it applies to actions taken outside the courtroom and by non-partcipants. Except for media in some cases, which has certain first amendment protections, actions taken to interfere with the proceedings of a court can be considered under contempt of court.

[thaiphoon]

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[FOODLOVER]

This lies squarely on the PM, she picked these criminals and is responsible for their actions.

You mean she picked these criminals from a list she received from Dubai, right?

Yes, of course!

[Buchholz]

This lies squarely on the PM, she picked these criminals and is responsible for their actions.

Yep, she and her Cabinet did.

Appropriately, Chalerm's non-Red Shirt son is included in the pickings.

The Cabinet on Tuesday approved a list of political office holders, including some 20 Vice-Ministers and a number of Ministerial Secretaries and Advisers.

Several core members and guards of the red-shirt movement received key appointments.

Aree Krainara, Head Guard of the red shirts, is now Secretary-General to Interior Minister Yongyuth Wichaidit.

Red leader Yoswaris "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom is a Deputy Secretary-General in the Interior Ministry.

Deputy Prime Minister Chalerm Yoobamrung's son, Wan, is a Deputy Secretary-General in the Transport Ministry.

Among the Vice-Ministers are red-shirt leader Visa Kanthap, ex-bureaucrat Prapat Chongsanguan and Pheu Thai party-list candidate Surachai Baochanya.

-- The Nation 2011-08-30

Time to face the music as the piper has already been paid.

Yotwarit, better known as "Jen Dokjik", did not deserve to be paid a salary from taxpayers' money

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Edited June 10, 2012 by Buchholz

[Moruya]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal chaqrges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

In the USA, the judges are easily identifiable and their phone numbers and addresses areoften public. Just ask the protestors found outside some judges homes. A judge cannot cite a non implicated party for contempt of court. The publishing of public information is not in itself contempt. There are other laws on the books that address alleged threats to state and federal judges in the USA.

Apologist for the despicable in my view

[BLUENILE]

Distributing home-addresses of people being protested against, to an angry mob is certainly incitement to commit assault. It is a serious crime in itself, and becomes a much more serious crime if any of the judges or their familes are actually threatened, intimidated or attacked.

PTP are of course no strangers to crime, and working hard to change the legal definition of who in society is subjugate to laws, from 'everybody' (the old-fashioned outdated system) to 'everybody except our families, friends and card-carrying supporters'.

Whether or not this was a criminal act is debatable.. No threat was made against the judges. The suggestion was that if you disagree, call or write the judges and let them know. What is not debatable is that it was an idiotic act and inexcusable for a representative of the government to have been implicated in such an activity. The man should be sacked from his position immediately and he must be reprimanded and sanctioned for such behaviour. A person in a position of responsibility must not act in this manner.

Police tightens security after charter court judges receive threats

BANGKOK, 7 June 2012 (NNT) – The Metropolitan Police Bureau is deploying additional police personnel for the security of Constitution Court President Wasan Soipisut and 8 other judges, following threats made against them.

[Buchholz]

Should this have happened in the US the presiding judge would have cited the offender for "contempt of court" and he would have been taken into immediate custody with no bail provisions until such time as outside agencies had made the appropriate criminal charges against him. Does his parliamentary immunity preclude that?

Under Article 131 of the Constitution, he has no immunity.

Immunity is only extended to MP's and Senators.

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[hellodolly]

What's the problem here?

It is obviously a blatant offense to give out the phone number of the Judges family.

If they have some thing to say give the office number of the judge.

It is obvious that the PT is not going to restrict the doings of their armed division.

Clearly by condoning these actions the PT is saying to the red shirts do what ever you have to do to get what we want. We will protect you.

[phl]

One of the major problems in Thailand i find is the lack of respect for privacy, this terms do not seem to exist here.

Not justifying his action for giving out personal data, just saying i doubt he even understands the seriousness and consequences of for doing so.

Juristic person in any condo, will give out owners name, contact number and an address to anyone, without so much as asking for a reason or persons name(person asking)