Health Expert Pushes Thailand To Be Medical Medical Metropolis Or 'Medicopolis'

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Health expert pushes Thailand to be medical metropolis

BANGKOK, 12 June 2012 (NNT) –Thailand Center of Excellence for Life Sciences (TCELS) is pushing Thailand to become a medical metropolis or 'Medicopolis', focusing on complete medical care services.

TCELS Advisor, Honorary Professor Montri Chulavatnatol, said although the policy promoting Thailand as a medical hub is underway; the practice does not cover all medical institutions. He added many of the hospitals still lack technology, medicine and equipment, which have to be imported, resulting in higher medical bills.

Honorary Professor Montri explained that if Thailand is able to provide a complete service in terms of locally produced medicines, equipment, and technology, it will help lower its medical costs; while earning more income from the services provided. The Medicopolis concept is, therefore, introduced, with a focus on developing public health research and medical service covering health and beauty areas.

According to the TCELS advisor, the Medicopolis will provide effective medical service, strengthen the economy by the service, and integrate research in medical development, medicines, and equipment. He urged the government to support the move and allow the private sector to invest in the project for further improvement in the medical field.

-- NNT 2012-06-12

[clockman]

Never happen, Thailand has a 30,000 shortfall of nurses. Never mind specalists And nurses salary has not changed in 10 years.!

[Skywalker69]

I am surprised that TCELS dosen´t use the word HUB.

[Yunla]

At christmas they have a santa of excellance too.

[Reasonableman]

Medicopolis. A bit too close to necropolis for comfort...

[Jaivin2011]

The first things that they ought to do is to kick out all the staff at the FDA departments and the top guy overseeing the FDA Dept.....they are all a bunch of corrupted and stupid idiots.

[gand]

I heard you can get TCEL injections here?

[jaltsc]

Nice of him to point out the obvious. If Thailand were to become a "medical metropolis", they would have done it by now. Although there are some fine medical centers in Thailand (for those who can afford them), most of the country is lacking in adequate services. It seems that most hospitals just go through the motions... perform surgeries (whether necessary or not), and over-prescribe medication just to appear that they are doing something positive. Patients have no idea what questions to ask about their care, and even if they did, they wouldn't question anything a doctor said in fear of making him lose face.

The system appears to be working...for those running the system. So why fix it?

[ratcatcher]

I am surprised that TCELS dosen´t use the word HUB.

No they used a $5 word like metropolis. Hub is so 'passe'

Synonyms: capital, city, club, concourse, crossroads, focal point, focus, heart, hub, mall, market, marketplace, mart, meeting place, metropolis , nerve center, plaza, polestar, shopping center, social center, station, town, trading center

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[ratcatcher]

Medicopolis. A bit too close to necropolis for comfort...

That's the next stop down the line.

[Reasonableman]

I am surprised that TCELS dosen´t use the word HUB.

No they used a $5 word like metropolis. Hub is so 'passe'

Synonyms: capital, city, club, concourse, crossroads, focal point, focus, heart, hub, mall, market, marketplace, mart, meeting place, metropolis , nerve center, plaza, polestar, shopping center, social center, station, town, trading center

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polestar

poleaxe

poledancer

polecat....

Edited June 12, 2012 by Reasonableman

[kerryk]

Never happen, Thailand has a 30,000 shortfall of nurses. Never mind specalists And nurses salary has not changed in 10 years.!

I have stayed at a number of Thai hospitals both private and government around major population centers outside of Bangkok and have never seen a shortage of nurses. I would imagine you have never been in a Thai hospital. I have also met a number of nurses from other countries who have come to Thailand to work because the pay is better here. So, yes I am right and your INTERNET source is wrong. My advice would be to go out and take a look yourself.

[lungmi]

Nice of him to point out the obvious. If Thailand were to become a "medical metropolis", they would have done it by now. Although there are some fine medical centers in Thailand (for those who can afford them), most of the country is lacking in adequate services. It seems that most hospitals just go through the motions... perform surgeries (whether necessary or not), and over-prescribe medication just to appear that they are doing something positive. Patients have no idea what questions to ask about their care, and even if they did, they wouldn't question anything a doctor said in fear of making him lose face.

The system appears to be working...for those running the system. So why fix it?

It works. Bangkok took over Casablanca for transgender operations. The actors of the soap operas in TV? They all have farang noses, or they are allready hybrids.

Poor people? They die with an appendicitis because there is no competent doctor.

[kerryk]

Nice of him to point out the obvious. If Thailand were to become a "medical metropolis", they would have done it by now. Although there are some fine medical centers in Thailand (for those who can afford them), most of the country is lacking in adequate services. It seems that most hospitals just go through the motions... perform surgeries (whether necessary or not), and over-prescribe medication just to appear that they are doing something positive. Patients have no idea what questions to ask about their care, and even if they did, they wouldn't question anything a doctor said in fear of making him lose face.

The system appears to be working...for those running the system. So why fix it?

That has not been my experience in Thailand. Both with private and military and government hospitals. I don't think you know what you are talking about.

[pipo1000]

Medicopolis. A bit too close to necropolis for comfort...

Maybe they had medicore in mind.

[lungmi]

Never happen, Thailand has a 30,000 shortfall of nurses. Never mind specalists And nurses salary has not changed in 10 years.!

I have stayed at a number of Thai hospitals both private and government around major population centers outside of Bangkok and have never seen a shortage of nurses. I would imagine you have never been in a Thai hospital. I have also met a number of nurses from other countries who have come to Thailand to work because the pay is better here. So, yes I am right and your INTERNET source is wrong. My advice would be to go out and take a look yourself.

I work where there is no doctor. Most nurses of the health stations in my area have a MA for Public Health. But no doctors, 80 km away, Poor people play lottery and the taxi to see an incompetent doctor?

[pipo1000]

Nice of him to point out the obvious. If Thailand were to become a "medical metropolis", they would have done it by now. Although there are some fine medical centers in Thailand (for those who can afford them), most of the country is lacking in adequate services. It seems that most hospitals just go through the motions... perform surgeries (whether necessary or not), and over-prescribe medication just to appear that they are doing something positive. Patients have no idea what questions to ask about their care, and even if they did, they wouldn't question anything a doctor said in fear of making him lose face.

The system appears to be working...for those running the system. So why fix it?

That has not been my experience in Thailand. Both with private and military and government hospitals. I don't think you know what you are talking about.

Opinions about who doesn't know what he's talking about may differ.

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/549818-thai-hospitals-face-staff-shortages-ahead-of-aec/#entry5241876

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/474910-wanted-another-40000-nurses%3B-thailand-health-crisis/#entry4487545

[kerryk]

Never happen, Thailand has a 30,000 shortfall of nurses. Never mind specalists And nurses salary has not changed in 10 years.!

I have stayed at a number of Thai hospitals both private and government around major population centers outside of Bangkok and have never seen a shortage of nurses. I would imagine you have never been in a Thai hospital. I have also met a number of nurses from other countries who have come to Thailand to work because the pay is better here. So, yes I am right and your INTERNET source is wrong. My advice would be to go out and take a look yourself.

I work where there is no doctor. Most nurses of the health stations in my area have a MA for Public Health. But no doctors, 80 km away, Poor people play lottery and the taxi to see an incompetent doctor?

I don't know where you work but in Issan the family gets in the truck and drives to Korat. They go to the hospital that can do the operation or whatever is needed. On the industrial East cost they go to Bangkok or close to there. Most of the factory workers have medical insurance with a particular hospital for example QS in Sattahip. I don't know anyone who does not get adequate medical care. And there is no unemployment Ford just opened and is advertising for factory workers as is GM. My advice would be to tell them to finish HS and get off the farm. Every industrial country has gone through the same phase. Now it is Thailand's turn.

[drdoom6996]

I just got excellent care from a motorcycle accident at a hospital close to me and not in Bangkok. The surgery would have cost 5 time the amount paid by my inserance company if I had gone home to get it. I was given a fit to work certificate 13 weeks after surgery. I had a great doctor. My arm works better than ever. Go on the internet and you will find that hospital oare offering packages for things like hip replacement for less money than in the west that includes a hotel room for your relatives. An eye clinic in Bangkok has been doing this for 15 years for any kind of eye surgery you want. Try using the internet for something besides whining. You never know you might learn something> Or maybe not!

[osiboy]

I am surprised that TCELS dosen´t use the word HUB.

oh it's there,...don't worry , only it was used by their advisor .

[osiboy]

i cant see it happing , ........one of the first things you need in medicine/nursing is compasion , i seem to remember an article a few days ago concerning how many patients were being denied medication/treatment because it was not cost effective............dream on hubba hubba thailand !

[kerryk]

i cant see it happing , ........one of the first things you need in medicine/nursing is compasion , i seem to remember an article a few days ago concerning how many patients were being denied medication/treatment because it was not cost effective............dream on hubba hubba thailand !

I don't know about you but I bring my own compassionate people with me to a Thai hospital. Normally I have at least two or three people sleeping in my room. I discovered Thai nurses don't do the personal care stuff. I have my own people for that.

One of the things I really like about Thai hospitals is I can bring the whole family and have them stay there.

[alant]

frequently recommend for dentistry and eye checks. major surgery, not sure. basically my concern is no come back, if the medic will not be held responsible for his/her actions would they ensure the best treatment?

[pipo1000]

i cant see it happing , ........one of the first things you need in medicine/nursing is compasion , i seem to remember an article a few days ago concerning how many patients were being denied medication/treatment because it was not cost effective............dream on hubba hubba thailand !

I don't know about you but I bring my own compassionate people with me to a Thai hospital. Normally I have at least two or three people sleeping in my room. I discovered Thai nurses don't do the personal care stuff. I have my own people for that.

One of the things I really like about Thai hospitals is I can bring the whole family and have them stay there.

Would it be possible that the reason for that is that there is actually a shortage in nurses and they don't have the time for it?

[Time Traveller]

frequently recommend for dentistry and eye checks. major surgery, not sure. basically my concern is no come back, if the medic will not be held responsible for his/her actions would they ensure the best treatment?

That is essentially Thailand's problem. At the better hospitals the skill and care is not necessarily any less than Western standards, but if something goes wrong - and there always is a risk in surgery - then the Thai's never accept responsibility or liability. At least Western hospitals and doctors have malpractice insurance

[kerryk]

i cant see it happing , ........one of the first things you need in medicine/nursing is compasion , i seem to remember an article a few days ago concerning how many patients were being denied medication/treatment because it was not cost effective............dream on hubba hubba thailand !

I don't know about you but I bring my own compassionate people with me to a Thai hospital. Normally I have at least two or three people sleeping in my room. I discovered Thai nurses don't do the personal care stuff. I have my own people for that.

One of the things I really like about Thai hospitals is I can bring the whole family and have them stay there.

Would it be possible that the reason for that is that there is actually a shortage in nurses and they don't have the time for it?

Of course that is possible and in reading the quotes and links it also seems probable that there is a shortage of teaching nurses (professors in college) that could alleviate the problem quicker. However it has been my experience at good hospitals here that the family is also welcome.

I would think it is a combination of need and courtesy.

The one time I did go into a hospital sans family one was hired for me. Two ladies (not nurses) took turns watching me and helping with washing and so on; 12 hour shifts. If I remember correctly their fee was 300 baht each per day.

It seems reading the published articles that there is a nursing shortage even though my personal experience seems not to support this.

I have had surgery in Thailand twice with no problems except pain and an a rash and both eventually went away.

[Bagwan]

frequently recommend for dentistry and eye checks. major surgery, not sure. basically my concern is no come back, if the medic will not be held responsible for his/her actions would they ensure the best treatment?

That is essentially Thailand's problem. At the better hospitals the skill and care is not necessarily any less than Western standards, but if something goes wrong - and there always is a risk in surgery - then the Thai's never accept responsibility or liability. At least Western hospitals and doctors have malpractice insurance

It used to be the case in the UK that the complainant had to prove negligence for a case to succeed. Almost without exeption it was doctors from the sub-continent being taken to task.

One thing that I have noticed in Thailand is that after being diagnosed and treatment commenced as an outpatient it was rare that an appointment was made to see the doctor to check that the treatment had cleared up the complaint. I was found to have deep vein thrombosis and Orfarin was prescribed. I took the medication for three years until I went to see a surgeon rather than a physician. A scan showed that the clot had disappeared but Daflon to clear away debris and keep the veins 'clean' and reduce the swelling caused by fluid retention was prescribed. This last was at a Red Cross hospital; the expensive private hospitals left me to my own devices.

[kerryk]

frequently recommend for dentistry and eye checks. major surgery, not sure. basically my concern is no come back, if the medic will not be held responsible for his/her actions would they ensure the best treatment?

That is essentially Thailand's problem. At the better hospitals the skill and care is not necessarily any less than Western standards, but if something goes wrong - and there always is a risk in surgery - then the Thai's never accept responsibility or liability. At least Western hospitals and doctors have malpractice insurance

It used to be the case in the UK that the complainant had to prove negligence for a case to succeed. Almost without exeption it was doctors from the sub-continent being taken to task.

One thing that I have noticed in Thailand is that after being diagnosed and treatment commenced as an outpatient it was rare that an appointment was made to see the doctor to check that the treatment had cleared up the complaint. I was found to have deep vein thrombosis and Orfarin was prescribed. I took the medication for three years until I went to see a surgeon rather than a physician. A scan showed that the clot had disappeared but Daflon to clear away debris and keep the veins 'clean' and reduce the swelling caused by fluid retention was prescribed. This last was at a Red Cross hospital; the expensive private hospitals left me to my own devices.

I had a similar clotting problem and the specialist at the expensive hospital insists on seeing me every three months. New blood work every 6 months. BTW what is a Red Cross hospital in Thailand. I have never seen one.

[lungmi]

Never happen, Thailand has a 30,000 shortfall of nurses. Never mind specalists And nurses salary has not changed in 10 years.!

I have stayed at a number of Thai hospitals both private and government around major population centers outside of Bangkok and have never seen a shortage of nurses. I would imagine you have never been in a Thai hospital. I have also met a number of nurses from other countries who have come to Thailand to work because the pay is better here. So, yes I am right and your INTERNET source is wrong. My advice would be to go out and take a look yourself.

I work where there is no doctor. Most nurses of the health stations in my area have a MA for Public Health. But no doctors, 80 km away, Poor people play lottery and the taxi to see an incompetent doctor?

I don't know where you work but in Issan the family gets in the truck and drives to Korat. They go to the hospital that can do the operation or whatever is needed. On the industrial East cost they go to Bangkok or close to there. Most of the factory workers have medical insurance with a particular hospital for example QS in Sattahip. I don't know anyone who does not get adequate medical care. And there is no unemployment Ford just opened and is advertising for factory workers as is GM. My advice would be to tell them to finish HS and get off the farm. Every industrial country has gone through the same phase. Now it is Thailand's turn.

Yes, Thaksin's country, where he had voters they had some support. The West Border suffered longtime from the vampirism of the perverted "Holy Gost". His Financial Minister gave up, an honest man.

[bigbamboo]

Medicopolis?

Never thought I'd ever say this but I think I prefer hub....!