Ombudsman Finds Appointment Of Nalini And Natthawut Grey Area

[webfact]

Ombudsman finds appointment of Nalini and Natthawut grey area

BANGKOK, 14 June 2012 (NNT) - The Office of the Ombudsman of Thailand has concluded that the prime minister must be responsible should problems arise from the appointment of PM's Office Minister Nalini Thawisin while planning to ask Parliament to inspect the qualifications of Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Natthawut Saikua.

Deputy Secretary-General and Spokesman of the Office of the Ombudsman of Thailand Raksakecha Chaechai said Ms. Nalini's appointment was not against any Thai laws, adding that minister nominations and appointments were up to the prime minister. The spokesman said the Ombudsman respected the premier's decision since he believed Ms. Nalini's name in the U.S. blacklist neither affected Thailand's image nor people's trust, but warned the premier of possible negative consequences if any damages were inflicted on Thailand.

As for Mr. Natthawut’s appointment as Deputy Minister of Agriculture and Cooperatives, the spokesman said the case was being processed by prosecutors and investigators and the PM had not further clarified his appointment. The Ombudsman will make a report on Mr. Natthawut's appointment and submit it to the House of Representatives and the Senate for qualification inspection.

The Civil Court earlier ruled that Mr. Natthawut, a core leader of the United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), rallied unlawfully during the UDD's mass protests. He is facing lawsuits filed against him by prosecutors.

-- NNT 2012-06-15

[OzMick]

It would be more interesting if prosecutors, rather than looking at why Nattawut shouldn't be appointed, looked at why he was.

[Thaddeus]

The Office of the Ombudsman of Thailand is not my father, err, brother, err friend,,,,,,,,, pass me a hankie.

[Moruya]

So what the Ombudsman is really saying is that with the number of crooks in the cabinet and government, a couple of additional scumbags wont scratch the surface of disrepute.

[Buchholz]

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The state of the Yingluck government..... a blacklisted Mugabe enabler and an alleged terrorist under indictment and free on bail....

Positioned there personally by her because

that minister nominations and appointments were up to the prime minister

68 million Thais and these are types that she selects?

[MEL1]

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The state of the Yingluck government..... a blacklisted Mugabe enabler and an alleged terrorist under indictment and free on bail....

Positioned there personally by her because

that minister nominations and appointments were up to the prime minister

68 million Thais and these are types that she selects?

There's only 2 million in Thailand, and that's half the population of the entire world. You did know this, didn't you?

-mel.

[MEL1]

Ombudsman finds appointment of Nalini and Natthawut grey area

But DiscJockeys are pure fine tier level to commentate on the acts of BS fulfilled by this herd - good match, delightful match, indeed.

-mel.

[chuang]

" The Civil Court earlier ruled that Mr Nattawut a core leader of the UDD, rallied unlawfully during the UDD's mass protest. He is facing lawsuits filed against him by the prosecutors ".......anyone still remember the Democrat guy i think Kosit rallied unlawfully together with the yellow shirts at the bangkok swampy airport which led to the closure....he became a foreign minister..SO...

[lannarebirth]

So what the Ombudsman is really saying is that with the number of crooks in the cabinet and government, a couple of additional scumbags wont scratch the surface of disrepute.

I think it's a veiled statement about the ethics of the PM rather than about the two crooks of which Thailand has plenty..

[OzMick]

" The Civil Court earlier ruled that Mr Nattawut a core leader of the UDD, rallied unlawfully during the UDD's mass protest. He is facing lawsuits filed against him by the prosecutors ".......anyone still remember the Democrat guy i think Kosit rallied unlawfully together with the yellow shirts at the bangkok swampy airport which led to the closure....he became a foreign minister..SO...

I believe there is an issue of proportionality to be considered in the 2 cases. AFAIK Kasit addressed the already assembled yellow shirts and was only present a short time. I believe that red shirts guilty similarly in 2010 were allowed to leave without charge, nor sure if Kasit has ever been charged.

OTOH Nattawut was in the red camp for weeks, when he wasn't sleeping, bathing and eating in his hotel. He was also a prime instigator of the event, and regularly incited illegal events including arson and murder.

[rubl]

Just curious, has Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Natthawut Saikua done anything agriculture-wise and if yes, what? Or is he concentrating on co-operatives, like red-shirt villages against drugs and coups?

Edited June 15, 2012 by rubl

[Buchholz]

" The Civil Court earlier ruled that Mr Nattawut a core leader of the UDD, rallied unlawfully during the UDD's mass protest. He is facing lawsuits filed against him by the prosecutors ".......anyone still remember the Democrat guy i think Kosit rallied unlawfully together with the yellow shirts at the bangkok swampy airport which led to the closure....he became a foreign minister..SO...

SO... his position was equalized by the installation of a completely inexperienced buffoon who only got the position because he's Thaksin's/Yingluck's cousin....

and we're left with the unequaled balance now of a blacklisted Mugabe enabler and an alleged terrorist under indictment and free on bail.....

throw in a dozen other indicted terrorists as MP's and a raft of further indicted Red Shirt terrorists as Advisers to government ministers.... and top it with Chalerm's formerly indicted son parading around as yet another Adviser to a government minister and one can easily surmise the tally sheet of incompetent thugs forming Yingluck's government easily surpasses their predecessors.

Edit to add: I'd be remiss if I also didn't mention the nincompoop Science Minister's boat propellers to control a flooded river to the convoy of Yingluck's rocket scientists.

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Edited June 15, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Now we have one of the aforementioned indicted Red Shirt Leader MP's defending..... another indicted Red Shirt Leader MP....

the lunacy of this administration is staggering...

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Edited June 15, 2012 by Buchholz

[Buchholz]

Korkaew defends Natthawut's qualification as minister

Natthawut Saikua is grappling with his past after the Office of Ombudsman has questioned his compliance on ethics in connection with his involvement in the red shirt protests in 2010.

Opponents call for his exit from the Cabinet while his supporters say past street protests have no bearing on the job qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong stepped forward Friday to defend Natthawut, saying the ombudsman was unfair to draw conclusion before proven guilty.

"Article 39 of the Constitution clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoings," he said.

Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

-- The Nation 2012-06-15

[h90]

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The state of the Yingluck government..... a blacklisted Mugabe enabler and an alleged terrorist under indictment and free on bail....

Positioned there personally by her because

that minister nominations and appointments were up to the prime minister

68 million Thais and these are types that she selects?

"she" selects???

Thaksin had a sex changing surgery?

[bigbamboo]

It would be more interesting if prosecutors, rather than looking at why Nattawut shouldn't be appointed, looked at why he was.

Or why Nalini was.

[gand]

They must have paid the highest amount for the position?

[rubl]

"Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

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A perfectly acceptable explanation of why k. Nattawut is "Deputy Minister of Agriculture and Cooperatives"

[webfact]

Ombudsman questions Natthawut's ethics

The Nation

BANGKOK: -- Deputy Agriculture Minister Natthawut Saikua was forced to face his past when the Office of the Ombudsman questioned him about his ethics and whether they allowed him to participate in the 2010 red-shirt protests.

Meanwhile, his opponents have been demanding that he quit the Cabinet, while his supporters insist that his role in the street protests have no bearing on his qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Korkaew Pikulthong stepped forward yesterday to defend Natthawut, saying the Ombudsman was unfairly drawing conclusions before he could be proven guilty.

"The Constitution's Article 39 clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoing," he said.

Korkaew said Natthawut was an advocate of democracy and the terrorism charge against him was trumped up. He said the Ombudsman should have upheld Article 39 instead of questioning Natthawut on his ethics, he said.

In the report to be submitted to Parliament, the Ombudsman says the prime minister neglected to review whether Natthawut had complied with the code of ethics before including him in the Cabinet line-up.

The Ombudsman is of the opinion that Natthawut might have violated the code of ethics for office holders because of the Civil Court verdict on his involvement in agitating crowds beyond a peaceful rally as sanctioned by the Constitution. Natthawut was indicted and is being tried for terrorism.

Meanwhile, Senator Pichet Sunthornpipit, in his capacity as chairman of the Senate committee on ethics, said his panel had no jurisdiction over the Natthawut case. However, he said, the House committee on ethics would review the Ombudsman's report because of Natthawut's MP status.

He said he personally believed that the House code of ethics should be enforced when a person becomes an MP and not before he is elected to office.

Yet Democrat Party spokesman Chavanond Intarakomalyasut said the Ombudsman's report was clear: Natthawut was unfit to hold a ministerial portfolio.

"He should be removed from the Cabinet," Chavanond said, adding that Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra should pay heed to the Ombudsman when screening ministers for her next Cabinet reshuffle.

-- The Nation 2012-06-16

[OzMick]

It is rumoured that Ag Minister Theera is to be replaced by former agriculture permanent secretary Yukol Limlaemthong. As Theera was formerly considered the best person for the job, shouldn't he be offered the Deputy Ag Min?

Not a bad idea logically, but shot down by the fact that Theera apparently isn't testicularly challenged like Banharn and has stated he no longer wants to be associated with a PTP government.

Does Jatuporn understand that the arguments re Nattawut's apointment apply equally to him, or is he more concerned with staying out of court?

Edited June 16, 2012 by OzMick

[Moruya]

Korkaew defends Natthawut's qualification as minister

Natthawut Saikua is grappling with his past after the Office of Ombudsman has questioned his compliance on ethics in connection with his involvement in the red shirt protests in 2010.

Opponents call for his exit from the Cabinet while his supporters say past street protests have no bearing on the job qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong stepped forward Friday to defend Natthawut, saying the ombudsman was unfair to draw conclusion before proven guilty.

"Article 39 of the Constitution clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoings," he said.

Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

-- The Nation 2012-06-15

So some scumbag who hands oput the telephone numbers of the Constitution Court judges AND THEIR FAMILIES and asks the Red mob to give them hate calls is defending another scumbag who incited murder, arson and terrorism on the street s of Bangkok?

You are just both scumbags

[OzMick]

Pheu Thai MP Korkaew Pikulthong

"The Constitution's Article 39 clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoing,"

So he shouldn't be criticized for being an MP and DM because he hasn't faced court yet, and the reason he hasn't faced court yet is because he is an MP and DM.

[phiphidon]

Korkaew defends Natthawut's qualification as minister

Natthawut Saikua is grappling with his past after the Office of Ombudsman has questioned his compliance on ethics in connection with his involvement in the red shirt protests in 2010.

Opponents call for his exit from the Cabinet while his supporters say past street protests have no bearing on the job qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong stepped forward Friday to defend Natthawut, saying the ombudsman was unfair to draw conclusion before proven guilty.

"Article 39 of the Constitution clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoings," he said.

Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

-- The Nation 2012-06-15

So some scumbag who hands oput the telephone numbers of the Constitution Court judges AND THEIR FAMILIES and asks the Red mob to give them hate calls is defending another scumbag who incited murder, arson and terrorism on the street s of Bangkok?

You are just both scumbags

You're just one big hub of untruths aren't you? Get your facts right before posting.

[Moruya]

Korkaew defends Natthawut's qualification as minister

Natthawut Saikua is grappling with his past after the Office of Ombudsman has questioned his compliance on ethics in connection with his involvement in the red shirt protests in 2010.

Opponents call for his exit from the Cabinet while his supporters say past street protests have no bearing on the job qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong stepped forward Friday to defend Natthawut, saying the ombudsman was unfair to draw conclusion before proven guilty.

"Article 39 of the Constitution clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoings," he said.

Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

-- The Nation 2012-06-15

So some scumbag who hands oput the telephone numbers of the Constitution Court judges AND THEIR FAMILIES and asks the Red mob to give them hate calls is defending another scumbag who incited murder, arson and terrorism on the street s of Bangkok?

You are just both scumbags

You're just one big hub of untruths aren't you? Get your facts right before posting.

Please enlighten me oh Oracle.

[Moruya]

Korkaew defends Natthawut's qualification as minister

Natthawut Saikua is grappling with his past after the Office of Ombudsman has questioned his compliance on ethics in connection with his involvement in the red shirt protests in 2010.

Opponents call for his exit from the Cabinet while his supporters say past street protests have no bearing on the job qualifications.

Pheu Thai MP Kokaew Pikulthong stepped forward Friday to defend Natthawut, saying the ombudsman was unfair to draw conclusion before proven guilty.

"Article 39 of the Constitution clearly stipulates the presumption of innocence and Natthawut has not been convicted of any wrongdoings," he said.

Kokaew said Natthawut was a democracy advocate and his charges on terrorism were trumped-up.

-- The Nation 2012-06-15

So some scumbag who hands oput the telephone numbers of the Constitution Court judges AND THEIR FAMILIES and asks the Red mob to give them hate calls is defending another scumbag who incited murder, arson and terrorism on the street s of Bangkok?

You are just both scumbags

You're just one big hub of untruths aren't you? Get your facts right before posting.

Please enlighten me oh Oracle.

15 minutes and this is the best you can do?

Can't find anything to exonerate Nattawut's rantings?

Can't obfuscate about Korkeaw's incitements?

[sungod]

I actually think it was Yoswarit "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom who handed out the telephone numbers, but you are on the right track. He is another Red shirt Core leader who was rewarded with a position, not 100% sure but if memory serves me correct I think he is a Secretary/Adviser to the Interior Minister. (I'm sure I will be corrected if not)

[phiphidon]

So some scumbag who hands oput the telephone numbers of the Constitution Court judges AND THEIR FAMILIES and asks the Red mob to give them hate calls is defending another scumbag who incited murder, arson and terrorism on the street s of Bangkok?

You are just both scumbags

You're just one big hub of untruths aren't you? Get your facts right before posting.

Please enlighten me oh Oracle.

15 minutes and this is the best you can do?

Can't find anything to exonerate Nattawut's rantings?

Can't obfuscate about Korkeaw's incitements?

Perhaps it would have been a good idea to check into the facts yourself. If you had done so before posting I wouldn't have disagreed with you (as long as you had the right answer) . Oh and to second guess you, No, I don't think it was a clever thing to do, he's made an apology (too late) and probably should lose his job as an advisor over it. However, because the opposition has demanded his resignation I'll doubt if the PTP will do so.

The answer, by the way, is in the post above this.

[Buchholz]

I actually think it was Yoswarit "Jeng Dokjik" Chuklom who handed out the telephone numbers, but you are on the right track. He is another Red shirt Core leader who was rewarded with a position, not 100% sure but if memory serves me correct I think he is a Secretary/Adviser to the Interior Minister. (I'm sure I will be corrected if not)

yes, you are correct. With the sheer volume of these heathens in the current government, it's not surprising that Moruya or anyone else might confuse one of the actors in this ever-growing cast of misfits, thugs, and incompetents that characterize the flailing Yingluck administration. Another example...

Pheu Thai MP Prasit Chaisrisa said MP Nutt should hang himself to escape the shame he has brought on Parliament

That a Police Sargent-Major would make such a bizarre statement would indicate he's never attended a successful suicidal hanging in the course of his police work.

That a Red Shirt Leader would make such a bizarre statement is unsurprising.

Prasit is both.

The reasonable thinking Police Sargent-Major Member of Parliament's public Facebook page in his custom-designed high level Red Shirt uniform

He certainly adds extreme legitimacy for any issue by any group.

Edited June 16, 2012 by Buchholz

[lannarebirth]

yes, you are correct. With the sheer volume of these heathens in the current government, it's not surprising that Moruya or anyone else might confuse one of the actors in this ever-growing cast of misfits, thugs, and incompetents that characterize the flailing Yingluck administration. Another example...

Pheu Thai MP Prasit Chaisrisa said MP Nutt should hang himself to escape the shame he has brought on Parliament

That a Police Sargent-Major would make such a bizarre statement would indicate he's never attended a successful suicidal hanging in the course of his police work.

That a Red Shirt Leader would make such a bizarre statement is unsurprising.

Prasit is both.

The reasonable thinking Police Sargent-Major Member of Parliament's public Facebook page in his custom-designed high level Red Shirt uniform

He certainly adds extreme legitimacy for any issue by any group.

It's just a shame the shoes got cut off in that photo.

[sungod]

Prasit is the one on the left I take it?