Court Postpones Verdict On Teen Driver: Don Muang Tollway Accident

[MB1]

Nobody will learn unless this girl and her parents pay for the deaths of all the others. She needs to be banged up for a suitable period of time to make amends. I understand she was a juvenile blah blah, but she has as yet shown no remorse. There should be no out of court settlement, 5-10 years at least. The court is passing the buck and avoiding it's responsibilities. This is criminal, not civil.

Hyperthetical question Jim. If you had a daughter who had done what the girl in question had done would you as her parent let her go to a Thai jail and be banged up for a 5 to 10 stretch or would you make an out of court settlement as the victims relatives have said they were open to an out of court settlement.?.

That's the way it is in Thailand Jim and no matter what we say or think it's how it is and I don't see things a changing for quite some time.

Money talks.!

As for the girl showing no remorse or giving an apology, how do we know how she feels, she could still be in a state of shock and under treatment for what she's done.

Thing is we don't know how she feels do we but I would say that if she is any kind of a decent human being, then what she has done will haunt her for the rest of her life.

Just a thought from an alledged forum thug as you called me recently.

HTH.

Edit.

As for the posts above mine, I just love the hang em high brigade putting Thailands wrongs to rights, the OP's title of thread mentioned ACCIDENT in case any one missed it.

Hyperthetical question MB1: If YOU had a daughter who was DEAD because an unlicensed, underaged and reckless driver took her life would you take the money in place of justice? Would you still be worried about the living girl's state of mind and welfare as much as you seem to be now?

I'd want justice western style but we are talking TIT, but I wouldn't want someone to suffer in a Thai Jail for 5 to ten years because of an accident they can't afford to pay their way out of and thats the way it works in Thailand, and if you can afford to pay your way out then thats the way it is also. By the way the key word is ACCIDENT.

And you if you could afford it, would you let your daughter rot in a Thai jail for 5 to 10 or would you compensate the relatives who it seems are willing to accept compensation.?

As for accepting money, no I have western values not Thai but I would allow them to give money to a charity of my choice. I'd never live with myself knowing I took money as compensation.

Some Thai's taking money as compensation seem to do this as a way of life, it seems a part of their culture and whether you or I like it until the government change things we are not going to change it.

HTH.

[Pseudolus]

This is outrageous. This is criminal case. That means state verses the defendant. We can safely conclude that the Judge has been bought off, or had pressure applied by others who have been bought off. The Family of the deceased are now being pressured to put a price on the life of their loved one, and the stupid little girl will be killing others on the road in a week.

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

[necronx99]

As a juvenile she probably wouldn't face much in the way of punishment in the west either.

[GentlemanJim]

As a juvenile she probably wouldn't face much in the way of punishment in the west either.

She would face a lot more than a 'don't worry darling, Mummy and Daddy know some important people, and Daddy is going to sort it out for you. We will pay those poor people a bit of money and by next week you can forget all about it'!

[KireB]

Hyperthetical question Jim. If you had a daughter who had done what the girl in question had done........................

My daughter will never and I mean never get the keys to my car before she is 18 and has a driver's license!

[Mosha]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

[MB1]

This is outrageous. This is criminal case. That means state verses the defendant. We can safely conclude that the Judge has been bought off, or had pressure applied by others who have been bought off. The Family of the deceased are now being pressured to put a price on the life of their loved one, and the stupid little girl will be killing others on the road in a week.

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

Here we go blah blah blah blah,"the stupid little girl will be killing others in a week".

Why don't you start the demonstration eh and see how far it gets you but make sure you have a work permit.

When are people going to realise that TIT and we as outsiders are not going to change the way things are in Thailand.

[mrtoad]

No different than the Mooham case at the bus stop

[KireB]

I'd want justice western style but we are talking TIT, but I wouldn't want someone to suffer in a Thai Jail for 5 to ten years because of an accident they can't afford to pay their way out of and thats the way it works in Thailand, and if you can afford to pay your way out then thats the way it is also. By the way the key word is ACCIDENT.

No, she was underage and by not being licensed to drive a car this was not an accident! If you give a kid of 4 years old a gun and he shoots someone, is that an accident? I think we should hang 'm high, and then especially those responsible for giving her the keys to the car.

[GentlemanJim]

This is outrageous. This is criminal case. That means state verses the defendant. We can safely conclude that the Judge has been bought off, or had pressure applied by others who have been bought off. The Family of the deceased are now being pressured to put a price on the life of their loved one, and the stupid little girl will be killing others on the road in a week.

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

Here we go blah blah blah blah,"the stupid little girl will be killing others in a week".

Why don't you start the demonstration eh and see how far it gets you but make sure you have a work permit.

When are people going to realise that TIT and we as outsiders are not going to change the way things are in Thailand.

Yes we can change some things. My kids are always in proper child seats in the car, the entire family now wear seatbealts as a matter of course when in a car, including the MIL. Those in the family that drive on bikes always wear helmets now. Nobody in the family drives a car or bike and uses a mobile at the same time. And you know, it spreads, those that sit in cars and drive with my sisters in law now replicate the safety behaviour.

If you believe you cannot change anything you are absolutely correct.

[Pseudolus]

As a juvenile she probably wouldn't face much in the way of punishment in the west either.

She would face a lot more than a 'don't worry darling, Mummy and Daddy know some important people, and Daddy is going to sort it out for you. We will pay those poor people a bit of money and by next week you can forget all about it'!

Exactly right

I am guessing that Orachon ‘‘Praewa’’ Thephasadin is a part of the Thephasadin clan, owners of Thephasadin Stadium,

From her Model brother a few months ago "Nat insists his well-connected family will not pull any strings to secure lenient treatment for Orachorn "Praewa" Thephasadin Na Ayudhya" - what a pile of crap that turned out to be.

So, too young to face serious time. Sure. She was not old enough to drive and yet she had a brand new car to drive. Whose car was it? If someone gave her a loaded gun and she went out and shot 9 people accidentally because she was not competetant to use a gun, would the person who gave her the gun be hauled in and charged? Well, in a decent society they would have been. Do they have a law here such as Criminally negligent manslaughter? If so, which ever of her parents thought it was a good idea to put a lethal weapon (a car) in their stupid little girls hands at aged 16 should be in the cell next to her.

[hansgruber]

As a juvenile she probably wouldn't face much in the way of punishment in the west either.

She would face a lot more than a 'don't worry darling, Mummy and Daddy know some important people, and Daddy is going to sort it out for you. We will pay those poor people a bit of money and by next week you can forget all about it'!

Exactly right

I am guessing that Orachon Praewa Thephasadin is a part of the Thephasadin clan, owners of Thephasadin Stadium,

From her Model brother a few months ago "Nat insists his well-connected family will not pull any strings to secure lenient treatment for Orachorn "Praewa" Thephasadin Na Ayudhya" - what a pile of crap that turned out to be.

So, too young to face serious time. Sure. She was not old enough to drive and yet she had a brand new car to drive. Whose car was it? If someone gave her a loaded gun and she went out and shot 9 people accidentally because she was not competetant to use a gun, would the person who gave her the gun be hauled in and charged? Well, in a decent society they would have been. Do they have a law here such as Criminally negligent manslaughter? If so, which ever of her parents thought it was a good idea to put a lethal weapon (a car) in their stupid little girls hands at aged 16 should be in the cell next to her.

You forgot to include what her father does for a living. Don't know if I can mention it without it being deleted.

Edited June 23, 2012 by hansgruber

[ralphlsasser]

Amazing. You guys don't know for sure if she was at fault. Much more likely to be the van driver.

Have you had your head in the sand? Or are you just plain stupid? She ran into the back of them. She was underaged using a mobile phone driving too fast. DUH!

[TheCure]

No surprise here.

The rich and powerful get away with murder in this country where there has never been a rule of law.

[Pseudolus]

This is outrageous. This is criminal case. That means state verses the defendant. We can safely conclude that the Judge has been bought off, or had pressure applied by others who have been bought off. The Family of the deceased are now being pressured to put a price on the life of their loved one, and the stupid little girl will be killing others on the road in a week.

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

Here we go blah blah blah blah,"the stupid little girl will be killing others in a week".

Why don't you start the demonstration eh and see how far it gets you but make sure you have a work permit.

When are people going to realise that TIT and we as outsiders are not going to change the way things are in Thailand.

Of course I know we can not do anything. but does that mean that no one is allowed to comment on these things? if so, then what is the point of a forum. I'm not saying a demonstration from Farangs, but from the Thais. They are more interested now in how much money they will get though and will then sit day dreaming thinking about how they spend it themselves. Fruitless thought, but wouldn't it be nice if the one of the parents of the deceased stood firm and demanded justice were done. Problem then would be that they would be killed.

[GentlemanJim]

I'd want justice western style but we are talking TIT, but I wouldn't want someone to suffer in a Thai Jail for 5 to ten years because of an accident they can't afford to pay their way out of and thats the way it works in Thailand, and if you can afford to pay your way out then thats the way it is also. By the way the key word is ACCIDENT.

No, she was underage and by not being licensed to drive a car this was not an accident! If you give a kid of 4 years old a gun and he shoots someone, is that an accident? I think we should hang 'm high, and then especially those responsible for giving her the keys to the car.

Agreed, and here is the point in case. You may wish to argue that the girl was a minor and didn't really understand the issue of driving without a licence, BUT the parents who gave her the keys were 100% aware that they were aiding and abetting their daughter to break the law. The death of the 9 people was not an accident. Someone made a conscious decision to break/flaunt the law.

[p_brownstone]

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

One of the most frustrating things about news "reporting" in Thailand is the complete acceptance by "reporters" of anything a "Pooyai" says, no questions or adversarial attitude at all.

Not surprising of course - just look at the "reporters" shown in the picture in the OP; kids barely out of University who have been conditioned to accept whatever a senior says - however nonsensical or fatuous it will be written down and reported without question.

Patrick

[ralphlsasser]

And if a poor unlicensed teenaged driver from a rural village

was responsible for the deaths of 9 rich elite people, would this

poor person be given the same leniency?

You KNOW the answer to that question.

[MB1]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

And how many on here "TV" pay tea money to the police for a minor offence and accept it but when something serious happens tea money is not acceptable.

Hypocrosy or what.

Oh well I hope the parents who would let their flesh and blood rot in a Thai jail out of a sense of justice feel the love of their siblings when there released, that's if they make it out alive.

[Thaddeus]

Sixteen is too young to serve jail time.

Wait until she is eighteen and then lock her away for a few years.

[GentlemanJim]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

And how many on here "TV" pay tea money to the police for a minor offence and accept it but when something serious happens tea money is not acceptable.

Hypocrosy or what.

Oh well I hope the parents who would let their flesh and blood rot in a Thai jail out of a sense of justice feel the love of their siblings when there released, that's if they make it out alive.

That is a deliberate twisting of what has been said and you know it. The point is that the parents should have no say in the matter if the legal system is functioning properly.

[Thaddeus]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

And how many on here "TV" pay tea money to the police for a minor offence and accept it but when something serious happens tea money is not acceptable.

Now you are comparing apples with elephants.

[MB1]

This is outrageous. This is criminal case. That means state verses the defendant. We can safely conclude that the Judge has been bought off, or had pressure applied by others who have been bought off. The Family of the deceased are now being pressured to put a price on the life of their loved one, and the stupid little girl will be killing others on the road in a week.

Where are the demonstrations about this? Where is the outrage? Where are the news paper reports attacking this? Disgusting.

Here we go blah blah blah blah,"the stupid little girl will be killing others in a week".

Why don't you start the demonstration eh and see how far it gets you but make sure you have a work permit.

When are people going to realise that TIT and we as outsiders are not going to change the way things are in Thailand.

Yes we can change some things. My kids are always in proper child seats in the car, the entire family now wear seatbealts as a matter of course when in a car, including the MIL. Those in the family that drive on bikes always wear helmets now. Nobody in the family drives a car or bike and uses a mobile at the same time. And you know, it spreads, those that sit in cars and drive with my sisters in law now replicate the safety behaviour.

If you believe you cannot change anything you are absolutely correct.

Can't beat the perfect law abiding family Jim can we, well when their with you anyway.I'd love to see em though once their out of your sight.

I've been their Jim, seen it and done it but if you really think for one moment that their as perfect when your not there then your IMO seriously deluded.Old English saying."Out of sight out of mind".

Let me know what kind of rod you rule em with, my guess is it's an iron one.

[ramrod711]

Before I answer that I will say my daughter would not be driving unlicensed and that nobody in my family would loan her car if she was not qualified to drive.

In answer to your question if she caused an accident like this then she would be left with the consequences.

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Easy saying what you say from behind your keyboard anonamously but if actually faced with the prospect of your daughter being banged up in a Thai jail for 5 to 10 years I suspect you and many parents of their own flesh and blood would take the non jail option if able to afford and wouldn't see their young daughter go to jail and probably ruin her life.

That's the way it is and not just Thai.

She was foolish and an accident happened but I'm pretty sure she didn't mean it to happen.

I think the court has an obligation to reach a verdict and if the verdict is guilty they should impose a penalty. In my opinion they are shirking their duty, what they seem to be saying is throw a lot of money at this and it can go away. An interesting situation would arise if a relative of one of the deceased refused money and insisted on a court imposed penalty. Their was a case settled in Bangkok not long ago where the father of a girl who fell off a bus insisted that the court impose the fine and it was millions of baht.

[ratcatcher]

Part of the discussion has centered on the ethics of paying financial compensation to the families of the victims versus sending the young lady (criminal) away to prison for a long time.

IMHO, the financial awards made by out of court settlements are, by western standards, rather ridiculous. Someone mentioned B100,000 as the going rate. That's two thousand pounds sterling or approximately three thousand dollars plus. Not a lot for a life regardless of social status. Frankly a bloody insult.

Since this family is a wealthy "Na" family, they obviously have ample funds and properties etc. The family should be made to suffer financially by rewarding all the victim's families substantial sums in the millions of baht. They probably have businesses and houses and cars that can be sold to pay this compensation.

Since 9 people have lost their lives due to the criminal negligence of this girl AND her parents, it seems only fair to cause them financial suffering. At least this way, the families of victims who were "breadwinners" will be compensated fairly.

[IMA_FARANG]

Agreed, and here is the point in case. You may wish to argue that the girl was a minor and didn't really understand the issue of driving without a licence, BUT the parents who gave her the keys were 100% aware that they were aiding and abetting their daughter to break the law. The death of the 9 people was not an accident. Someone made a conscious decision to break/flaunt the law.

Exactly....and that's exactly who should go /to jail....the OWNER of the vehicle who is not a minor and therefore is responsible for allowing a minor to operate the vehicle.

Also, I don't recall exactly, but wasn't she hired or paid to drive that van by the actual owner.

If so, that's another reason why the OWNER again should be put in jail.

[ginjag]

Thadeus, she now is 18. This young lady 16 they say 2010, should have been sent to a young offenders jail, for brainwashing/correction for 5 years, out at 21.

Secondly, the owner of the car who passed the keys to the young spoilt brat, should take responsibility for allowing and knowing it would be an offence as soon as she sat in and started the car. They should have their driving licence cancelled and community service to serve for 1 year.

Thirdly even if the car was not owned by the parents, they should take responsibility for the young ladies action, because surely they were aware this was not the first time she had driven, they also should receive a stiff sentence, and classed as unfit to care for their child. Comunity service for them also 1 year.

Fourth, in addition big compensation money paid to the families of the dead or injured.

[MB1]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

And how many on here "TV" pay tea money to the police for a minor offence and accept it but when something serious happens tea money is not acceptable.

Hypocrosy or what.

Oh well I hope the parents who would let their flesh and blood rot in a Thai jail out of a sense of justice feel the love of their siblings when there released, that's if they make it out alive.

That is a deliberate twisting of what has been said and you know it. The point is that the parents should have no say in the matter if the legal system is functioning properly.

No twisting at all TIT and you know it.

As for the parents having no say well once again TIT and you know it.

Money talks and you know it.

Rest my case your honour.

[Pseudolus]

Going rate last I heard is 100K to the police and 100K to the family, for each death.

And how many on here "TV" pay tea money to the police for a minor offence and accept it but when something serious happens tea money is not acceptable.

Now you are comparing apples with elephants.

I never have. Meant that I paid more than I would have by asking to go to the police station for running the red light and paying the fine there with a receipt.

For the Thai readers, doesn't the last one say "daddy is clearing everything with the journos" from here status updates at the time of the accident.

[Kilgore Trout]

Nobody will learn unless this girl and her parents pay for the deaths of all the others. She needs to be banged up for a suitable period of time to make amends. I understand she was a juvenile blah blah, but she has as yet shown no remorse. There should be no out of court settlement, 5-10 years at least. The court is passing the buck and avoiding it's responsibilities. This is criminal, not civil.

Hyperthetical question Jim. If you had a daughter who had done what the girl in question had done would you as her parent let her go to a Thai jail and be banged up for a 5 to 10 stretch or would you make an out of court settlement as the victims relatives have said they were open to an out of court settlement.?.

That's the way it is in Thailand Jim and no matter what we say or think it's how it is and I don't see things a changing for quite some time.

Money talks.!

As for the girl showing no remorse or giving an apology, how do we know how she feels, she could still be in a state of shock and under treatment for what she's done.

Thing is we don't know how she feels do we but I would say that if she is any kind of a decent human being, then what she has done will haunt her for the rest of her life.

Just a thought from an alledged forum thug as you called me recently.

HTH.

Edit.

As for the posts above mine, I just love the hang em high brigade putting Thailands wrongs to rights, the OP's title of thread mentioned ACCIDENT in case any one missed it.

Here's a "hyper-thetical" question for you, what if you daughter had been killed by this girl in question; would you still be towing the same line?