Korkaew Says Red Shirts Have Their Rights To Protest Against Democrats

[Lite Beer]

Korkaew says red shirts have their rights to protest against Democrats

BANGKOK: -- Pheu Thai party-list MP and red-shirt leader Korkaew Pikulthong said Monday that he would not ask red-shirt people to stop opposing political activities of the Democrat Party.

Korkaew said the red-shirt people had their right to protest against the Democrat as long as they did not break the laws or lynch Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

He was commenting an incident last week when red-shirt people surrounded a rally site of Abhisit in Pathum Thani.

Korkaew said the red-shirt people were simply retaliating against Abhisit for having deployed troops to harm and kill the people when he was the prime minister.

Korkaew said he did not think that protests by the red-shirt people would rekindle political violence.

-- The Nation 2012-07-02

[whybother]

We're allowed to protest against whoever we want, whenever we want. But if you protest against us, we'll throw grenades at you.

[HeavyDrinker]

Korkaew said he did not think that protests by the red-shirt people would rekindle political violence

Sometimes, the mind just boggles....it just does...it boggles...

[kerryk]

How dare those Red Shirts protest. The gall of some people!

[billd766]

I sometimes wonder if it is me that is crazy or others in the world.

I read the OP and know deep down inside it ain't me that's nutso.

[Moruya]

When you listen to what these red shirt "leaders" (who the hell voted for them anyway?) say, you would have to come away thinkinhg that either their brain never had a chance to develop or that someone sneaked stealthily into theit boudoir one nigh and replaced the grey matter with brown.

Is there some form of "Thug labotomy" that is available at certain participating clinics?

[Sharp]

No no u mean you want to protest against Democracy don't u...

[kerryk]

When you listen to what these red shirt "leaders" (who the hell voted for them anyway?) say, you would have to come away thinkinhg that either their brain never had a chance to develop or that someone sneaked stealthily into theit boudoir one nigh and replaced the grey matter with brown.

Is there some form of "Thug labotomy" that is available at certain participating clinics?

Red Shirts, thugs! Not really winners of the last election! Someone gave them a lobotomy! Yea right on.

[thaicbr]

How dare those Red Shirts protest. The gall of some people!

Did you miss the part about surrounding a Democrats rally? That's not protest that's intimidation.

Kerry. The red shirts did not win the last election.

And yes some of the red leadership have thuggish behavior.

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Edited July 2, 2012 by thaicbr

[Yunla]

This is classic 'distractive disinformation' tactic. AKA let's ignore the important and serious issues and talk about our right to protest instead.

Nobody is denying redmob's right to protest. We are infact challenging the other activities they are engaged in, such as distributing the home-addresses of dissidents to angry mobs in the street, and to abuse the system of democratic parliament by absenteeism and non-debate of bills. There is a long list of things we would like PTP/redmob to explain and discuss, but they refuse to talk about those things, instead out come the readymade "we have a right to protest" speeches that they've been using since 2009.

In my opinion anybody who takes this rabble seriously at all anymore must be drunk or crazy or both.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Yunla

[zakk9]

No worry. It's all part of the reconciliation process. The sooner the oposition understands that there's no room for them in this society, the faster all involved can become reconciled

Edited July 2, 2012 by zakk9

[OzMick]

IMHO the prosecution of Arisman and Jatuporn cannot begin soon enough, if only to remind the red shirts of the criminality of their actions. Of course the Democrats have to be demonized, they stand between the reds and the amnesty that will absolve them.

[rubl]

Korkaew said the red-shirt people had their right to protest against the Democrat as long as they did not break the laws or lynch Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Is this just an attempt at humour or a reminder of amnesty for all except Abhisit and Suthep of course. So don't touch them, we'll do this legally correct and hand them over to the ICC

[metisdead]

Posts using all caps have been removed as it is bad netiquette as well as shouting. Posting in all capitals or in all bold, and using large or unusual fonts and colors is bad netiquette.

[lannarebirth]

We're going to intimidate you with democracy and beat and bomb you with democracy until the streets run red with democracy. Yeah!

[Siripon]

One of the rules of democracy is the right to free speech and the right to be able to express that freely.

The red shirts don't believe that.

[Emptyset]

Hi.

Actually I've been referring to them as dissenters and dissidents in all cases for a few weeks now. Because that is what they are. Also because other murderous dictatorships throughout history, started their ensuing carnage by targeting dissidents, often using street mobs.

And the reason it crops up again and again, is because it is a serious human-rights violation conducted openly in public infront of the world media. It is a big issue to all but those such as yourself who wish it would go away so you can get back to bashing the democrats. How unfortunate for you that PTP keep committing crimes, and that this particular crime openly committed in public and involves violating privacy laws, human rights, and a very sordid attempt by PTP to ignore it and not investigate it.

I agree with you that what Jeng Dokjik did was disgraceful (though he did quickly apologize). But I'm wondering if, given that you're an avowed yellow shirt sympathiser, you'd also criticize the likes of Social Sanction (a yellow shirt Facebook group notorious for witch hunts and hate campaigns) and Manager newspaper, owned by Sondhi Lim. In the case of the young red shirt schoolgirl, Kan Thoop, Social Sanction started a campaign against her where her address and phone number were published and threats of extreme violence were made to the point where she had to change her name. Unfortunately her new name was revealed by Manager newspaper. A mob was also organized (by the same FB group, SS, I believe) to stop her attending a university interview.

This is far from the only example. And what about the beating administered to the professor from the red-shirt affiliated Nitirat group, Ajarn Worajet? I certainly agree that the red shirts have gone way too far at times, but let's not pretend the harassment and witch-hunts are one-sided.

[bigbamboo]

In a democracy anyone can protest against any political party or faction as long as they stay within the rule of law.

[Yunla]

Korkaew said the red-shirt people had their right to protest against the Democrat as long as they did not break the laws or lynch Democrat leader Abhisit Vejjajiva.

Obviously Abhisit has the right to speak publicly without being heckled or having waterbottles thrown at him etc. The red shirts have a right to protest, but that doesn't mean they have the right to disrupt rallies by other parties. They can protest further away from Abhisit and the people Abhisit are talking to, so that both the speech and the opposing protest can go ahead. This is what civilised people call good-natured or gentlemanly behaviour, meaning really why not grow up and let other people give speeches even if you don't agree with those people, and let the people listening to those speeches do so in a relaxed peaceful setting without intimidation and ill-feeling.

I would also mention that this declaration of 'right to protest' is just the redmob trying to regain the initiative and moral high ground after their recent long-distance trek through the moral sewers. To me this redmob 'right to protest' statement is their donning of the victim-mantle once again ; "we are the oppressed / you don't respect our rights to protest / poor little us" little redmob riding-hood. This is all an attempt to make people forget the way that redmob have recently trampled on other peoples basic human rights that are far more fundamental than the right to protest. They need to stop acting like the schoolyard bully who goes crying to teacher when somebody hits them back.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Yunla

[kerryk]

IMHO the prosecution of Arisman and Jatuporn cannot begin soon enough, if only to remind the red shirts of the criminality of their actions. Of course the Democrats have to be demonized, they stand between the reds and the amnesty that will absolve them.

I agree with you 100%. But I am trying to figure a way to tie your post into the red shirts rights to protest. Do you mean they will protest a lot more when the prosecutions begin? Or when they get reminded they are criminals?

[kerryk]

In a democracy anyone can protest against any political party or faction as long as they stay within the rule of law.

Aren't we talking about Thailand? When did Thailand have a democracy?

[Moruya]

When you listen to what these red shirt "leaders" (who the hell voted for them anyway?) say, you would have to come away thinkinhg that either their brain never had a chance to develop or that someone sneaked stealthily into theit boudoir one nigh and replaced the grey matter with brown.

Is there some form of "Thug labotomy" that is available at certain participating clinics?

Red Shirts, thugs! Not really winners of the last election! Someone gave them a lobotomy! Yea right on.

265 winners. 65 million losers

[Yunla]

I agree with you that what Jeng Dokjik did was disgraceful (though he did quickly apologize). But I'm wondering if, given that you're an avowed yellow shirt sympathiser, you'd also criticize the likes of Social Sanction (a yellow shirt Facebook group notorious for witch hunts and hate campaigns) and Manager newspaper, owned by Sondhi Lim. In the case of the young red shirt schoolgirl, Kan Thoop, Social Sanction started a campaign against her where her address and phone number were published and threats of extreme violence were made to the point where she had to change her name. Unfortunately her new name was revealed by Manager newspaper. A mob was also organized (by the same FB group, SS, I believe) to stop her attending a university interview.

This is far from the only example. And what about the beating administered to the professor from the red-shirt affiliated Nitirat group, Ajarn Worajet? I certainly agree that the red shirts have gone way too far at times, but let's not pretend the harassment and witch-hunts are one-sided.

Magazines and websites are not goverments. The FB etc. subjects you raised are private individual versus private individual, not the government versus private individuals. The latter is far more sinister and is state fascism. Also in the same category of state fascism would be gangs of young men paid by the government, going to opposition rallies and intimidating people there (see this thread).

The government distributing addresses (plural) of dissenters, to an angry mob in the street, is not the same as Facebook etc..The people living at those addresses are not politicals, their data was handed out by the government because those people stand in the way of a 46bn cash payout for the regime. In addition there are privacy laws in Thailand which PTP breached, also ASEAN are implementing umbrella privacy laws for states. Also Amnesty etc. have issues against governments who give out personal information to groups who would harm those persons. It is not a case of "yunla the yellowshirt doesnt like it", it is a case of PTP broke the laws of Thailand, and human rights, and possibly Asean's new laws too. And they endangered innocent peoples lives and they did it this summer, not years ago. The point you miss is that this is a crime, which occured in public, and originated from within the government. Apologies by the fall-guy mean nothing to the people now living in fear in their own homes, because of the govt.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Yunla

[Emptyset]

Magazines and websites are not goverments. The FB etc. subjects you raised are private individual versus private individual, not the government versus private individuals. The latter is far more sinister and is state fascism. Also in the same category of state fascism would be gangs of young men paid by the government, going to opposition rallies and intimidating people there (see this thread).

The government distributing addresses (plural) of dissenters, to an angry mob in the street, is not the same as Facebook etc..The people living at those addresses are not politicals, their data was handed out by the government because those people stand in the way of a 46bn cash payout for the regime. In addition there are privacy laws in Thailand which PTP breached, also ASEAN are implementing umbrella privacy laws for states. Also Amnesty etc. have issues against governments who give out personal information to groups who would harm those persons. It is not a case of "yunla the yellowshirt doesnt like it", it is a case of PTP broke the laws of Thailand, and human rights, and possibly Asean's new laws too. And they endangered innocent peoples lives and they did it this summer, not years ago. The point you miss is that this is a crime, which occured in public, and originated from within the government. Apologies by the fall-guy mean nothing to the people now living in fear in their own homes, because of the govt.

How do you know what Jeng did was sanctioned by the government? OK, he's an MP, and should face severe reprimands by PTP, but that doesn't mean they knew what he was going to do. We know that the red shirt leaders are often far from singing from the same hymn sheet as the govt. In fact, individual leaders have a high degree of freedom - it's far from being a rigid top down movement where everyone consults with superiors before they do or say something. The idea that Thaksin is orchestrating things with a high degree of control over what individual red shirts (or over the various disparate groups) is the stuff of conspiracy. Which, of course, doesn't mean that he isn't the most crucial figure involved with the red shirts.

It simply means that things are far more complicated than him paying people to follow his direct orders.

Anyway, I'm not sure that the red shirts who protested against Abhisit were paid. In fact, they were mobilized by a local community radio station, so I'd hazard that they weren't. However, the blue shirts in 2009 definitely were a paid gang of 'young men'. So were the Democrats guilty of 'state fascism'?

[bigbamboo]

a

In a democracy anyone can protest against any political party or faction as long as they stay within the rule of law.

Aren't we talking about Thailand? When did Thailand have a democracy?

I admit it's sometimes hard to believe how Thailand could possibly be a democracy what with organised vote buying along the lines of corrupt African dictatorships and governments with so many members of the same family you'd think you were in some feudal Middle Eastern sheikhdom.

However technically at least this a democrativ monarchy..... for now.

[kerryk]

a

In a democracy anyone can protest against any political party or faction as long as they stay within the rule of law.

Aren't we talking about Thailand? When did Thailand have a democracy?

I admit it's sometimes hard to believe how Thailand could possibly be a democracy what with organised vote buying along the lines of corrupt African dictatorships and governments with so many members of the same family you'd think you were in some feudal Middle Eastern sheikhdom.

However technically at least this a democrativ monarchy..... for now.

No it's not. The party in power was not elected and they want to grant amnesty to a mass murderer and man who stole 400 billion dollars and the PM never even goes to Parliament. That's what Yunia says and I believe her. Don't you?

[Yunla]

How do you know what Jeng did was sanctioned by the government? OK, he's an MP, and should face severe reprimands by PTP, but that doesn't mean they knew what he was going to do. However, the blue shirts in 2009

Well, getting a list of private telephone numbers and addresses and names, could take more contacts than a lowly secretary type figure would have. I also don't share your easy-going attitude of PTP are like Mcdonalds with franchise-holders, all doing their own thing. PTP as a body want the judges to lay down and allow the 46 billion cash Bill and freedom for Thaksin, and they are doing everything in their group power to achieve this. Are you seriously telling me that one lowly secretary MP sneaked off from PTP on his own time and got this list of personal data and distributed it in the street without the knowledge of the Boss. He is the fall-guy. PTP wanted those judges to fold, and did everything they could find in their bullyboy handbook. Then they gave the list to some little nobody along with a big fat cheque from Dubai. Of course maybe he did it all himself and if so I hope he enjoys serving his prison sentence all by himself. Either way Yingluck is guilty of not taking action after the crime.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Yunla

[Skywalker69]

This is classic 'distractive disinformation' tactic. AKA let's ignore the important and serious issues and talk about our right to protest instead.

Nobody is denying redmob's right to protest. We are infact challenging the other activities they are engaged in, such as distributing the home-addresses of dissidents to angry mobs in the street, and to abuse the system of democratic parliament by absenteeism and non-debate of bills. There is a long list of things we would like PTP/redmob to explain and discuss, but they refuse to talk about those things, instead out come the readymade "we have a right to protest" speeches that they've been using since 2009.

In my opinion anybody who takes this rabble seriously at all anymore must be drunk or crazy or both.

Sad isn´t it?

[bigbamboo]

a

In a democracy anyone can protest against any political party or faction as long as they stay within the rule of law.

Aren't we talking about Thailand? When did Thailand have a democracy?

I admit it's sometimes hard to believe how Thailand could possibly be a democracy what with organised vote buying along the lines of corrupt African dictatorships and governments with so many members of the same family you'd think you were in some feudal Middle Eastern sheikhdom.

However technically at least this a democrativ monarchy..... for now.

No it's not. The party in power was not elected and they want to grant amnesty to a mass murderer and man who stole 400 billion dollars and the PM never even goes to Parliament. That's what Yunia says and I believe her. Don't you?

As in most disputes you are half right.

Wrong.... the party in power was elected.

Right........ they do want to grant amnesty to a mass murderer,

Wrong..... he stole 40 billion baht not 400 billion dollars

Right...... she's never there when she should be.

[Yunla]

Wrong..... he stole 40 billion baht not 400 billion dollars

He meant the 400bn = 30% Thai state funds that some officials alleged Thaksin overspent in his own family businesses during his time in office. But the exact number doesn't matter to kerryk anyway, so long as he can use it in personal offtopic insults against me.

Edited July 2, 2012 by Yunla