Thai at Heart Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Good 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smedly Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 People will now say the decision is because of the threats, or maybe candy boxes from overseas, or whatever. I think it is the right decision. I am not crazy about the idea of handing PT a blank check (or cheque as some of you prefer) but until there is actually a draft written and it is clear what they want to change then there is no real basis for stopping the process. Later, if they propose wiping out the checks and balances or changes laws which directly benefit Thaksin, the formal complaints, based on actual proposed wording, can be raised. I think you will find there is no blank check here, I would interpret the finding as a shot across the bow of PTP, several things to take note of for me are listed below Rulling went against the Dem petition (win for PTP) but note the reason given by the CC - no evidence Democrats stepped in way too early in this with only guess work no hard evidence (win for Nobody) It seems clear that a total rewrite of the charter is now off the table (win for Dems) It also seems that the court mentioned that any changes to the current charter must be done via referrendum (win for Dems) PTP need to be more transparent with their intentions (win for Dems) The CC are now heavily involved in this process (win for Dems) I predicted this several days ago - you need to read between the lines 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Get ready for the Dems to throw their collective rattles out of the pram. Hahaha! Just as well the vote went in PTP's favour. God knows what the redshirts would be throwing if the verdict had gone against them. More hissy fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaddeus Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I see this as a fair outcome. The Government got told they cannot rewrite the entire charter and can only amend it (through public referendum) The Government got warned that the court still has the power to block any amendment they feel is against the political structure (i read that as basically a slap on the wrists for the government) but, the court decided that the government hadn't violated the rules enough to be disbanded. So yeah, i see this as a win-win situation, they can amend the constitution within the framework of the law. I think most of the reasonable minded folk here will agree thats a fair outcome. A good assessment and yes, a fair outcome, let's hope that PTP see it for what it is, and not an open invitation to do as they please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Now lets hope the Reds back down... theoretically their call for civil war still stands, the courts ruled against them (total rewrite of the charter) - so in theory they should still follow through with their threats... i feel they wont, i feel they will class this as a win for the Reds/PTP, but that ball is still in the air and we need to wait and see where it lands. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thailand Posted July 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2012 Thank goodness. At least for a while we still have a stable government elected by the people that has not been ousted by some ploy or other. Hopefully the country will now get it's act together and move forward. We don't need yet another year of turmoil. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Now lets hope the Reds back down... theoretically their call for civil war still stands, the courts ruled against them (total rewrite of the charter) - so in theory they should still follow through with their threats... i feel they wont, i feel they will class this as a win for the Reds/PTP, but that ball is still in the air and we need to wait and see where it lands. No wonder the court find them not guilty. The judges do not want to see a civil war. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post saltandpepper Posted July 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2012 Thank goodness. At least for a while we still have a stable government elected by the people that has not been ousted by some ploy or other. Hopefully the country will now get it's act together and move forward. We don't need yet another year of turmoil. We don't need another year of turmoil. Now, this government should focus on what they are supposed to be here for: working for Thai people. They have been here almost one year no, and we are still to see something. So far, their achievement is a vast emptiness, and a huge collection of broken promises. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 My question is if they wish to amend the constitution, why are they seeking to write a new one ? Why not simply address the areas of the current charter they have a problem with. I think that's been the argument of a lot of people (read: government opposition) - don't rewrite it all, just amend the bits you feel you wanna amend, oh and let us know what you wanna amend! And lets' have proper open public discussussion and participation as part of the process - referundum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mojaco Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I just finished listening to the speeches and the focus emphasized by the red shirts is that the constitution revision process needs to review whether to have a Constitution Court at all or not. Consolidation of power is happening with an eye to lessen checks and balances. Sent from my GT-I9100T using Thaivisa Connect App Edited July 13, 2012 by mojaco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tlansford Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 on a side note, there's that word "landslide" again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AleG Posted July 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2012 Common sense prevailed. _ As did death and violence threats. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurentbkk Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well there goes the war. But rest assured the red shirts will not be letting there guns get dirty. They know only threats and violence. It is unfortunate that they have a ego maniac boss with lots of money. The yellow shirts have their share of problems as well ..remember the airport closure ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 And lets' have proper open public discussussion and participation as part of the process - referundum? I read on one of these threads a few days back, i don't remember which thread or posted by whom, but it was suggested that had the government tried to amend instead of rewrite, and been public/open/transparent about the whole thing, none of this would have happened. Looking at the courts verdict today, seems that was a very factual, true statement. And i agree, about bloody time this government stopped faffing about and pulled its socks up, its got a whole host of election promises to fulfill and needs to do its job in governing the country. The sooner it drops the whole Thaksin thing and gets on with what its supposed to be doing, the better... sadly i feel that bit wont change and we will be back here in 3, 6, 12mths time having a similar conversation on a similar subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Now lets hope the Reds back down... theoretically their call for civil war still stands, the courts ruled against them (total rewrite of the charter) - so in theory they should still follow through with their threats... i feel they wont, i feel they will class this as a win for the Reds/PTP, but that ball is still in the air and we need to wait and see where it lands. No wonder the court find them not guilty. The judges do not want to see a civil war. On the other hand it's quite possible the judges aimed for and gave a correct interpretation of the appropriate laws, which is what Thailand desperately, rather than a verdict aimed at 'happiness'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunla Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) I see this as a fair outcome. The Government got told they cannot rewrite the entire charter and can only amend it (through public referendum) The Government got warned that the court still has the power to block any amendment they feel is against the political structure (i read that as basically a slap on the wrists for the government) but, the court decided that the government hadn't violated the rules enough to be disbanded. So yeah, i see this as a win-win situation, they can amend the constitution within the framework of the law. I think most of the reasonable minded folk here will agree thats a fair outcome. I agree with you that PTP being told who is boss, and being told to procede through referendum, is a good thing. The reason I don't see this decision as a win-win, is that Thailand needs parliamentary time spent on anti-corruption and infrastructure improvement bills. This decision today means that the government will continue to waste even more parliamentary time, trying to airbrush Thaksin's crimes from history. That means even less work being done to improve Thailand's infrastructure. Todays decision has kept Thaksin at the centre of the government's work-engine and policymaking, at the detriment of real reform progress bills for Thailand. I see PTP being in power as a lose-lose, because they are mono-policy, and now they will focus even more on their 'freedom for Thaksin' obsession. Edited July 13, 2012 by Yunla Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well there goes the war. But rest assured the red shirts will not be letting there guns get dirty. They know only threats and violence. It is unfortunate that they have a ego maniac boss with lots of money. The yellow shirts have their share of problems as well ..remember the airport closure ... the airport closure was necessary to protect Thai democracy and protect our father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoodMaiDai Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 So what color shirts are going to throw a fit now? I don't keep up with all this childs play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 And lets' have proper open public discussussion and participation as part of the process - referundum? I read on one of these threads a few days back, i don't remember which thread or posted by whom, but it was suggested that had the government tried to amend instead of rewrite, and been public/open/transparent about the whole thing, none of this would have happened. Looking at the courts verdict today, seems that was a very factual, true statement. And i agree, about bloody time this government stopped faffing about and pulled its socks up, its got a whole host of election promises to fulfill and needs to do its job in governing the country. The sooner it drops the whole Thaksin thing and gets on with what its supposed to be doing, the better... sadly i feel that bit wont change and we will be back here in 3, 6, 12mths time having a similar conversation on a similar subject. Unfortunately, I suspect you are correct! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 on a side note, there's that word "landslide" again. Landslide? Out of 9, only 7? Not even a total victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 on a side note, there's that word "landslide" again. So I guess your going back to the argument that winning an election means open season - no limits to do anything you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asiawatcher Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Well there goes the war. But rest assured the red shirts will not be letting there guns get dirty. They know only threats and violence. It is unfortunate that they have a ego maniac boss with lots of money. Don't worry - the reds will find something else to cause problems over or motor mouth Jutaporn will claim a victory and become the spin doctor for the next month twisting it all to a huge nothing and pounding his chest. Meanwhile the 'boss' will continue to scheme whilst sucking on peeled grapes in Bankrupt Dubai - no wonder he feels so at home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurryAfficionado Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 So how fast can the PTP get a referendum together, to put to the people? ... to put to the people = ... TO SELL TO THE PEOPLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuneeTH Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 So what color shirts are going to throw a fit now? I don't keep up with all this childs play. I hope PAD will congratulate Yingluck on her win by welcoming her home at the airport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunterHunter Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 I agree with you that PTP being told who is boss, and being told to procede through referendum, is a good thing. The reason I don't see this decision as a win-win, is that Thailand needs parliamentary time spent on anti-corruption and infrastructure improvement bills. This decision today means that the government will continue to waste even more parliamentary time, trying to airbrush Thaksin's crimes from history. That means even less work being done to improve Thailand's infrastructure. Todays decision has kept Thaksin at the centre of the government's work-engine and policymaking, at the detriment of real reform progress bills for Thailand. I see PTP being in power as a lose-lose, because they are mono-policy, and now they will focus even more on their 'freedom for Thaksin' obsession. I found the comment about "we (the court) have the right to block any amendment we feel..." (paraphrasing) to be quite interesting, i read that to mean "we wont let you change the laws to let Thaksin back scot-free" Maybe that's wishful thinking, maybe its misinterpretation... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted July 13, 2012 Author Share Posted July 13, 2012 RT @tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Red shirt leader Thida says she disagrees with court verdict "on virtually every count". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 on a side note, there's that word "landslide" again. On another side note, what happened to the 'judicial activism' you were howling about so pitifully yesterday? Still think its a giant conspiracy for the Constitution Court to *consider* constitutional issues? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crushdepth Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 RT @tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Red shirt leader Thida says she disagrees with court verdict "on virtually every count". Surprise!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltandpepper Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 RT @tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Red shirt leader Thida says she disagrees with court verdict "on virtually every count". Amazing...not! And Jatuporn also made some comments that shows how out of control the red are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 RT @tulsathit: TR @news1005fm: Red shirt leader Thida says she disagrees with court verdict "on virtually every count". Sour faced old puss. Bet she suffers from chronic anorgasmia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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