French President Hollande Hails Pm Yingluck'S Democracy 'Commitments'

[Babcock]

I'm particularly peeved about Hollande's plan to introduce a 15.5% social tax to foreign property owners on top of the existing 19% capital gains tax when selling french property.

This is paid by french tax payers but who live in France and who enjoy all the benefits of the french social system.

I know someone who has lost his job as a director in a company (it went bust) and he will now receive 100% salary for 1 year and 60% salary for second year from french government.

This was under Sarkozy. The french tory.

Capital gains tax in Thailand on sale of properties is 2.5%.

their is no capital gains tax so please dont post nonsense theirs a 2.5% transfer tax a 0.5% stamp duty and if its owned less than5 year a3.3 % business tax and thats on whole sale price or land office valuation and not on any gain. SO if you buy a property for 3 million and sell it 3 years later for same you pay tax on whole 3 million. I really get pissed off with ops here talking through their rear end

Well, pissed off you may be.

Worst case scenario on proceeds from sale of home here would be 6.3%

Compare and contrast was my point.

The thai rich just keep getting richer.

Perhaps we should try to join their club.

Meanwhile if like me you own property in France Hollande wants us now to pay 34.5% cgt.

That's not just rich people paying that tax though is it? That's anyone owning a home has to give 34.5% capital gains to the french government.

Just to bail out the speculators?wanke_r bankers.

Is this civilised?

[hellodolly]

what an idiot Taksins party democratic

Don't really know much about there policies.

But if they think Thaksin is running a Democratic party they are in real trouble.

I would never have believed the French could be that easily fooled.

[blazes]

what an idiot Taksins party democratic

Don't really know much about there policies.

But if they think Thaksin is running a Democratic party they are in real trouble.

I would never have believed the French could be that easily fooled.

Really? You don't think the French could be "easily fooled"? Never heard of the Maginot line, obviously.

[Yunla]

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

Do you have the slightest idea about communism or a socialism? You seem a tad confused... I would love to have just one thread on TV left as a real discussion and not a platform to spout Anti-red/ yellow BS. The continual mudslinging is childish and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you talk, foreign Governments make ties with the elected leaders of other Governments. Yingluck is the elected PM of Thailand. She's dealing with the train wreck that is Thailand's international image, a legacy left after Abhisit demonstrated to the world so well that the old school elitist's grip on power was failing as the country was brought to the brink of civil war.

The French and English had similar periods in their history, culminating in outright violence c.200 and C.350 years ago respectively, giving the current leaders of those countries a rather unique perspective on what issues Thailand is facing now... don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"...

I was saying that Hollande, a champagne socialist, is openly a great fan of Mitterrand.

Mitterrand was ultra-left, and he brought the Communist party into mainstream government and spent most of his later career doing what the Communists told him to do (just like Yingluck does). Those were also the years when his far-left communist economic polices ruined France's economy. My line that Mitterrand was a hapless communist stands unchallenged.

Hollande has frequently gushed praise on his communist hero, saying Mitterrand was an incredible man, and that he (Hollande) is emulating many of Mitterrand's polices, which in turn were co-written by the Communist party that Mitterrand worked so closely with during his economy-wrecking years.

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

http://www.thaivisa....idating-judges/

Giving out home addresses and telephone numbers of senior judges to an angry crowd of red thugs, when the families living at those addresses stand in the way of a 46bn payout for the government and their red thugs, with the order to intimidate the men women and children living at those addresses, is against Thailand's Privacy laws, ASEAN data protection laws, and UDHR international human-rights guidelines relating to Government oppression of its citizens.

Yingluck has failed to take legal or any other type of action against the PTP members responsible in the two months since it happened. She has not even apologised. Any real democratic leader would have ordered a full criminal investigation into this disgusting human-rights crime committed by her PTP party, and done so on the very same day the crime was committed or at worst the very next morning, along with a tearful public apology and mass-sackings.

By not taking any action whatsoever she has committed the crimes of complicity and shielding/harboring. PTP are guilty of intimidating dissenters in their own homes which is fascism, and the enemy of democracy.

Edited July 22, 2012 by Yunla

[Roadman]

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

Do you have the slightest idea about communism or a socialism? You seem a tad confused... I would love to have just one thread on TV left as a real discussion and not a platform to spout Anti-red/ yellow BS. The continual mudslinging is childish and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you talk, foreign Governments make ties with the elected leaders of other Governments. Yingluck is the elected PM of Thailand. She's dealing with the train wreck that is Thailand's international image, a legacy left after Abhisit demonstrated to the world so well that the old school elitist's grip on power was failing as the country was brought to the brink of civil war.

The French and English had similar periods in their history, culminating in outright violence c.200 and C.350 years ago respectively, giving the current leaders of those countries a rather unique perspective on what issues Thailand is facing now... don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"...

This reply is to you and babcock and Lungmi too since I got three sets of teethmarks allover my feet for no reason.

If you had actually bothered to read my first post before pouncing on it, the post that all three of you just used as a virtual punchbag for no reason whatsoever, you will notice I was saying that Hollande, a champagne socialist, is openly a great fan of Mitterrand.

Mitterrand was ultra-left, and he brought the Communist party into mainstream government and spent most of his later career doing what the Communists told him to do (just like Yingluck does). Those were also the years when his far-left communist economic polices ruined France's economy. My line that Mitterrand was a hapless communist stands unchallenged.

Hollande has frequently gushed praise on his communist hero, saying Mitterrand was an incredible man, and that he (Hollande) is emulating many of Mitterrand's polices, which in turn were co-written by the Communist party that Mitterrand worked so closely with during his economy-wrecking years.

This next one is just for Ferangled.

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

http://www.thaivisa....idating-judges/

Giving out home addresses and telephone numbers of senior judges to an angry crowd of red thugs, when the families living at those addresses stand in the way of a 46bn payout for the government and their red thugs, with the order to intimidate the men women and children living at those addresses, is against Thailand's Privacy laws, ASEAN data protection laws, and UDHR international human-rights guidelines relating to Government oppression of its citizens.

Yingluck has failed to take legal or any other type of action against the PTP members responsible in the two months since it happened. She has not even apologised. Any real democratic leader would have ordered a full criminal investigation into this disgusting human-rights crime committed by her PTP party, and done so on the very same day the crime was committed or at worst the very next morning, along with a tearful public apology and mass-sackings.

By not taking any action whatsoever she has committed the crimes of complicity and shielding/harboring. PTP are guilty of intimidating dissenters in their own homes which is fascist tyranny, and the enemy of democracy.

..but you are forgetting about the one law for them, one law for other thai's and other law for falaung that all us rabble are allocated. For the Pheu Thai hi-so politicans all endeavours made to have the convicted fugitive crim/them above the law. The accountancy is probably about the same....one for them, one for the Pheu Thai gang and one for The Return of the ....Thaksee.

[KKvampire]

And Bradley Wiggins will be a British winner of Le Tour today .down the Champ D'Elyesee in Paris in the face of the French.Ah Im sure they will love him

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[JurgenG]

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

Do you have the slightest idea about communism or a socialism? You seem a tad confused... I would love to have just one thread on TV left as a real discussion and not a platform to spout Anti-red/ yellow BS. The continual mudslinging is childish and shows a distinct lack of critical thinking.

It doesn't matter how much nonsense you talk, foreign Governments make ties with the elected leaders of other Governments. Yingluck is the elected PM of Thailand. She's dealing with the train wreck that is Thailand's international image, a legacy left after Abhisit demonstrated to the world so well that the old school elitist's grip on power was failing as the country was brought to the brink of civil war.

The French and English had similar periods in their history, culminating in outright violence c.200 and C.350 years ago respectively, giving the current leaders of those countries a rather unique perspective on what issues Thailand is facing now... don't be surprised that foreign sympathies don't echo the writing of such neutral media outlets as "The Nation"...

I was saying that Hollande, a champagne socialist, is openly a great fan of Mitterrand.

Mitterrand was ultra-left, and he brought the Communist party into mainstream government and spent most of his later career doing what the Communists told him to do (just like Yingluck does). Those were also the years when his far-left communist economic polices ruined France's economy. My line that Mitterrand was a hapless communist stands unchallenged.

Hollande has frequently gushed praise on his communist hero, saying Mitterrand was an incredible man, and that he (Hollande) is emulating many of Mitterrand's polices, which in turn were co-written by the Communist party that Mitterrand worked so closely with during his economy-wrecking years.

Government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their homes?! Someone needs to get out more and watch less drama on TV. What are you on about Yunla?!

http://www.thaivisa....idating-judges/

Giving out home addresses and telephone numbers of senior judges to an angry crowd of red thugs, when the families living at those addresses stand in the way of a 46bn payout for the government and their red thugs, with the order to intimidate the men women and children living at those addresses, is against Thailand's Privacy laws, ASEAN data protection laws, and UDHR international human-rights guidelines relating to Government oppression of its citizens.

Yingluck has failed to take legal or any other type of action against the PTP members responsible in the two months since it happened. She has not even apologised. Any real democratic leader would have ordered a full criminal investigation into this disgusting human-rights crime committed by her PTP party, and done so on the very same day the crime was committed or at worst the very next morning, along with a tearful public apology and mass-sackings.

By not taking any action whatsoever she has committed the crimes of complicity and shielding/harboring. PTP are guilty of intimidating dissenters in their own homes which is fascism, and the enemy of democracy.

Woaw Mr Inflation, don't you see you totally discredit your self with your outrageously inflated claims. A few deaths become hundreds, a couple of millions become hundred of billions, a socialist leader becomes a hapless communist ...

FYI, the PT is the closest we have from a pro-business party, similar to the Republicans in the US, that brings together big business and rural people. The Democrat would actually be closer to the North Korean communists, with basic self reliance for the rural poors and Benz for the elites.

The last claim is maybe a bit exagerated but I try to speak in a language you can understand

_

Edited July 22, 2012 by JurgenG

[Yunla]

Woaw Mr Inflation, don't you see you totally discredit your self with your outrageously inflated claims. A few deaths become hundreds, a couple of millions become hundred of billions, a socialist leader becomes a hapless communist ...

FYI, the PT is the closest we have from a pro-business party, similar to the Republicans in the US, that brings together big business and rural people. The Democrat would actually be closer to the North Korean communists, with basic self reliance for the rural poors and Benz for the elites.

The last claim is maybe a bit exagerated but I try to speak in a language you can understand

_

Your post is so inaccurate on so many levels, it is actually groundbreaking and almost revolutionary in its wrongness.

1)'Rural poors under the dems'. How about rural poor under PTP with their mega-fail rice policy. Please provide evidence of rural improvements under PTP.

2)'Benz for the elite' yes but also 'Benz for the PTP'. What is your point? Please provide evidence of PTP not having expensive cars.

3)'Dems are like NK communists'. You mean apart from Abhisit allowing his opponents to occupy the capital for three months and offer them early elections. Have you ever actually read anything about NK? Don't you realise that comparing the genocide in NK with a normal democratic party that offers its opponents early elections and three-months of free protest, is actually a great insult to the millions in NK who suffer under that dictatorship in silent famine. Please provide evidence that DP is close to NK dictatorship.

4)'PT is the pro business party'. Yes they are in the crime-business. Yingluck's business is the undeclared personal-business deals using her elected office for personal enrichment business. Please provide evidence that DP is anti-business.

5)Your other hundreds-into-thousands was intentionally vague, so I can not respond to it because it was not an actual point just some waffle.

Nothing in your post actually responded to anything in my post which you quoted in full and then did not respond to in any way. Your own off-topic points were unsubstantiated and deeply factually wrong.

Edited July 22, 2012 by Yunla

[ginjag]

And Bradley Wiggins will be a British winner of Le Tour today .down the Champ D'Elyesee in Paris in the face of the French.Ah Im sure they will love him

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And we have the 2nd place man as well???

[Skywalker69]

Methinks that it was the French idea of democracy that led to the sad and tragic sequence of events in Vietnam and indeed other sovereign states in the old French Indo China Region.

Such approval of Yingluck and her policies (?) from Hollande is indeed a trifle nauseating and worrisome..

One can only suppose in Hollande's case, '' Ignorance is bliss.''

Hollande can never be accused of being overly intelligent. Maybe that is also why he is president of France.

And Yingluck the PM of Thailand.

[ginjag]

The Co-operation between the two countries is brilliant, the trade done, is and has been long before Yingluck . France is Thailands 2nd biggest buyer, and any further agreements are welcome the arms that Thailand is to purchase will be latest tech,

THE BIGGEST and most stupid thing here is, that A. the French president is ill informed, or is blind to the dictatorial government and it's antics. It's all well and good out there showing yourself and promoting.

I don't blame Yingluck for this, this is Thai style at the moment, Hiding behind serious issues.

The advisers to the French president have not been around here, and therefore must have the wrong info.

My reply is based on the wording of the topic, that gives the impression that all is rosy in LOS.

[rubl]

Thailand Live Sunday 22nd of July #14 has some more on PM Yingluck's activities in France. Amongst Others

"The Premier assured that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs would take a lead in solving all problems, and that Thais living abroad would be able to have an ID card beginning in 2013, after which they would also be able to cast votes in all elections."

http://www.thaivisa....2/#entry5507032

She probably pointed out that her MoFA had a high reputation in speedily delivering new documents. No sea too wild or flooding too high could stop them

[h90]

what an idiot Taksins party democratic

Don't really know much about there policies.

But if they think Thaksin is running a Democratic party they are in real trouble.

I would never have believed the French could be that easily fooled.

Really? You don't think the French could be "easily fooled"? Never heard of the Maginot line, obviously.

Thailand has oil and gas....enough oil and gas and Saudi Arabia is Democratic....

[kimamey]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

I was in Big C a few days ago and I couldn't find any cheese other than small bags of grated and cheese slices so it would be nice to see cheese from any country at any price.

[Reasonableman]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

I was in Big C a few days ago and I couldn't find any cheese other than small bags of grated and cheese slices so it would be nice to see cheese from any country at any price.

Try Villa, Tops, etc. No shortage already.

[lannarebirth]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

[transam]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

Yep, but he now has a place to go with a nice .....................

[looping]

Does this cozyness mean soon we'll be able to buy French wine and cheese at an affordable price?

You hit my heart!

Goat cheese and a simple Chardonnay for sea food, that is what I miss in Thailand..

Good seafood I have, but from Burma. (my visa run to Mae Sot)

If its cheap wine and cheese you seek, may I suggest Cambodia, the French certainly enjoy fine dining here, as do the rest of us

[Crazy chef 1]

We are protecting the democracy-we don't practice it....Winston Churchill

[tlansford]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Mitterrand was neither communist (unless you call socialist communists) nor hapless (unless you call being president for 14 years hapless).

[blazes]

]French President Francois Hollande hailed Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra's "commitments in favour of democracy and freedom" as they met in Paris on Friday, his office said.[/b]

Hollande's aides should really have told him about Yingluck's red party committing serious breaches of UDHR laws on human-rights, when they allowed the home-addresses of dissenting judges to be distributed to angry street thugs. Maybe Hollande has a different definition of "democracy and freedom" than UDHR do. Maybe he thinks that government thugs making citizens afraid to live in their own homes, is a symbol of democracy and freedom.

Hollande started out working for Mitterrand who was a hapless communist, and whose far-left polices led to a huge economic disaster in France. Hollande is the same kind of champagne socialist as his communist mentor was. I'm not surprised at all that Yingluck is viewed so kindly by these freewheeling communists.

Mitterrand was neither communist (unless you call socialist communists) nor hapless (unless you call being president for 14 years hapless).

About five years into his presidency, Mitterand did a U-turn and became an out and out capitalist. So, France has laboured for 30 years or more under the yoke of capitalism!

And now they have a brand new socialist-capitalist (the Tony Bliar type) to lead La France to doom and destruction.

Forgive the clichés....

[jayboy]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

[rubl]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

'government untainted by coups', Well, with the last four governments (Samak, Somchai, Abhisit, Yingluck) having followed general elections, I think you're somewhat disingenuous here. I might refer to the late Samak's role in the 1976 crackdown (or was it 1974?).

As for the French knowing more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics, is that a compliment or an insult?

Edited July 24, 2012 by rubl

[jayboy]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

'government untainted by coups', Well, with the last four governments (Samak, Somchai, Abhisit, Yingluck) having followed general elections, I think you're somewhat disingenuous here. I might refer to the late Samak's role in the 1976 crackdown (or was it 1974?).

As for the French knowing more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics, is that a compliment or an insult?

Of the governments you mention that of Yingluck has the clearest democratic mandate.My comment on France was neither an insult or compliment, simply a reflection on that country's history.

[chotthee]

Some 200+ years of French history are full of bad things.

Thailand, being a kingdom should cut tie with France since then.

I am referring to King Louis 16 order French gunships into invading Siam, and rob Chantaburi, Laos, and a large chunk of Khmer (including Angkor Wat) from our Kingdom.

Edited July 24, 2012 by chotthee

[rubl]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

'government untainted by coups', Well, with the last four governments (Samak, Somchai, Abhisit, Yingluck) having followed general elections, I think you're somewhat disingenuous here. I might refer to the late Samak's role in the 1976 crackdown (or was it 1974?).

As for the French knowing more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics, is that a compliment or an insult?

Of the governments you mention that of Yingluck has the clearest democratic mandate.My comment on France was neither an insult or compliment, simply a reflection on that country's history.

I accept and appreciate your reply.

As for the comment on France, remembering you are Oxford educated I felt the need to ask

Edited July 24, 2012 by rubl

[jayboy]

I accept and appreciate your reply.

As for the comment on France, remembering you are Oxford educated I felt the need to ask

Cambridge actually, but a knowledge of France's amazing culture, political traditions and civilization is available to all with intelligence and enquiring minds.

Edited July 24, 2012 by jayboy

[rubl]

I accept and appreciate your reply.

As for the comment on France, remembering you are Oxford educated I felt the need to ask

Cambridge actually, but a knowledge of France's amazing culture, political traditions and civilization is available to all with intelligence and enquiring minds.

My apologies, and I feel a bit better now. Remember the Blackadder line on a few universities and a general officer remarking on that

A knowledge of some blemishes is also available for all and both the good and the bad of many countries as well. Stay cool and keep smiling

Edited July 24, 2012 by rubl

[Noistar]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

'government untainted by coups', Well, with the last four governments (Samak, Somchai, Abhisit, Yingluck) having followed general elections, I think you're somewhat disingenuous here. I might refer to the late Samak's role in the 1976 crackdown (or was it 1974?).

As for the French knowing more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics, is that a compliment or an insult?

Of the governments you mention that of Yingluck has the clearest democratic mandate.My comment on France was neither an insult or compliment, simply a reflection on that country's history.

PTP has a Democratic mandate. What will the result of this be?

I'm sure certain TVF posters would like the French to do their homework before jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions about Thailand and its political setup.

[Thai at Heart]

Is this the same French Prime Minister whose populist policies are causing massive capital flight and is about to lead his nation into bankruptcy, eclipsing even Italy and Spain's troubles?

The French PM is simply recognising that Yingluck heads a legitimate government in Thailand untainted by military coups and fairly elected in a general election.That's just a fact not a reason for the usual suspects to start ranting and raving about the French - who know more about democracy and the perils of reactionary politics than most nationalities.

Every supposedly functioning government in Thailand is at least distantly related to a coup.