ddpffft Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) ok... im convinced... i will take all bites and just roll over... at the end it was my fault anyway... something is wrong with me... the dogs here are fine... thanks everyone for their contribution. otherwise, i would have never made that connection... Edited July 21, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneliane Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk along ANY street in bangkok at night time, without having a gang of dogs running after you... and to make clear, its not only one gang... one after the other, all along the way... in reality this means, people cant walk on the sidewalk... i think, the travel guides have to be updated by this fact... "you cant walk at nighttime on a sidewalk" "be prepared to pay some thousands for rabies shots" you might find that normal and to be accepted by tourists, i dont think it is... Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1fanatic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 ok... im convinced... i will take all bites and just roll over... at the end it was my fault anyway... something is wrong with me... the dogs here are fine... thanks everyone for their contribution. otherwise, i would have never made that connection... I'm glad you finally understand. Although like others, I'm amazed that you're bitten so often . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 so bottom line, if i understood it right... you can ask for compensation 1 ) the restaurant, if you fall sick with food poisoning after you ate there... 2 ) the dog owner, if you get bitten nobody can ask for compensation when being seriously ill/dying of 1 ) a bacteria, killing people repeatedly, because the thai forensics were not able to determine it... People are normally only killed once, repeating this is generally not required. Proving it was that particular restaurant that you got food poisoning from will be fun for you, and asking dog owners for compensation, where possible, could end up with them setting their dogs on you. A bit different from a Western society where the population sees it as their right to sue or blame the nearest person for the smallest inconvenience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins wow, one would think they would then do something about the straying dogs... rabies just shrugged off? Edited July 21, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) A bit different from a Western society where the population sees it as their right to sue or blame the nearest person for the smallest inconvenience true, a fine declaration/enforcement of citizens right might lead to sort of "insurance mentality"... but where does the other extreme as in thailand practised lead to ? that a restaurant can serve you their rotten fish - and get away with it... that guest house owners can spray every cheap poison in their rooms - and get away with it..? possible? Edited July 21, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins wow, one would think they would then do something about the straying dogs... They do do certian things but compensating people is just not one of them ..... they provide free shots once a year for example , they drive around in pickups and give shots to anyone who wants one in my area. It's a matter of you thinking they should do more not that they don't do anything at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1fanatic Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 A bit different from a Western society where the population sees it as their right to sue or blame the nearest person for the smallest inconvenience true, a fine declaration/enforcement of citizens right might lead to sort of "insurance mentality"... but where does the other extreme as in thailand practised lead to ? that a restaurant can serve you their rotten fish - and get away with it... that guest house owners can spray every cheap poison in their rooms - and get away with it..? possible? But this thread is about you being unable to walk anywhere without being pursued by packs of dogs that bite you at every opportunity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) A bit different from a Western society where the population sees it as their right to sue or blame the nearest person for the smallest inconvenience true, a fine declaration/enforcement of citizens right might lead to sort of "insurance mentality"... but where does the other extreme as in thailand practised lead to ? that a restaurant can serve you their rotten fish - and get away with it... that guest house owners can spray every cheap poison in their rooms - and get away with it..? possible? It leads to allowing the private sector to decide if a restraunt is worthy of eating at instead of the gov. It leads to hotels who want customers not poisioning them rather than paying the gov to run around checking for poisions in hotels. What it leads to is giving more choice to everyone with less expense rather than high taxes and the gov telling everyone how to act while pertending to earn their pay. What it leads to is exactly what most Westerners wish they had , less gov and no property taxes. Funny you should mention the gas in hotels ..... I woke up once at 3 am and went outside and the entire hotel common areas had been gassed with toxic bug gas ! I had to hold my breath all the way out and when I got outside the hotel staff was all outside and I asked why they gassed the place at 3 am and they said because everyone but you is sleepping and will never know ! Edited July 21, 2012 by MrRealDeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 A bit different from a Western society where the population sees it as their right to sue or blame the nearest person for the smallest inconvenience true, a fine declaration/enforcement of citizens right might lead to sort of "insurance mentality"... but where does the other extreme as in thailand practised lead to ? that a restaurant can serve you their rotten fish - and get away with it... that guest house owners can spray every cheap poison in their rooms - and get away with it..? possible? As said before, welcome to Thailand. If I remember correctly, insurance for a tourist/traveller/expat is up to the individual and not the concern of the country being visited. That is the main reason for insurance. Just a quick one ddpffft, how many times have you been bitten by a dog in Thailand? And if you have been bitten, what tretment did you receive and how much did it cost you? Trying not to make it a trick question, what happened if you got bitten while undergoing treatment from the first bite? Last one, how many dog packs are under your bridge? Or is that the one that collapsed that you mentioned earlier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddpffft Posted July 21, 2012 Author Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) It leads to allowing the private sector to decide if a restraunt is worthy of eating at instead of the gov. It leads to hotels who want customers not poisioning them rather than paying the gov to run around checking for poisions in hotels. What it leads to is giving more choice to everyone with less expense rather than high taxes and the gov telling everyone how to act while pertending to earn their pay. What it leads to is exactly what most Westerners wish they had , less gov and no property taxes. i dont agree... in general tourists are considered "one-time-customers" by restaurants, and in case of guesthouses, if someone just falls sick, it even extends the stay... nobody in the first place thinks of a poisoned room... its blamed onto food, the new environment, ice cubes etc... it leads to recklessnes towards people and environment... jmho... Edited July 21, 2012 by ddpffft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisinth Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk along ANY street in bangkok at night time, without having a gang of dogs running after you... and to make clear, its not only one gang... one after the other, all along the way... in reality this means, people cant walk on the sidewalk... i think, the travel guides have to be updated by this fact... "you cant walk at nighttime on a sidewalk" "be prepared to pay some thousands for rabies shots" you might find that normal and to be accepted by tourists, i dont think it is... Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins Seriously, they have vaccines for rabies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 so bottom line, if i understood it right... you can ask for compensation 1 ) the restaurant, if you fall sick with food poisoning after you ate there... 2 ) the dog owner, if you get bitten nobody can ask for compensation when being seriously ill/dying of 1 ) a bacteria, killing people repeatedly, because the thai forensics were not able to determine it... no you understood incorrectly you can not ask for compensation if the dog bites you or if you fall sick after eating at some place You are welcome to file a law suit and wait it out till the hearing and then provide evidence that it was indeed that dog that bite you, and it was that food in the restaurant that made you sick after you provide all the evidence, court will award you 5000-10000 baht and you can use that money to pay your lawyer's bill which should only be around 200-300K When I was refering to the sueing of a rest I was actually meaning in the US not Thailand .... In Thailand they would tell you to take a hike and eat someplace else unless everyone who ate their got sick the same day. Not sure how quoting my post relates, but why even bother to compare USA to Thailand ? There are many things one can do here but can not do there and vice versa. Different countries , different cultures, even different continents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk along ANY street in bangkok at night time, without having a gang of dogs running after you... and to make clear, its not only one gang... one after the other, all along the way... in reality this means, people cant walk on the sidewalk... i think, the travel guides have to be updated by this fact... "you cant walk at nighttime on a sidewalk" "be prepared to pay some thousands for rabies shots" you might find that normal and to be accepted by tourists, i dont think it is... Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins Seriously, they have vaccines for rabies? Lol, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It leads to allowing the private sector to decide if a restraunt is worthy of eating at instead of the gov. It leads to hotels who want customers not poisioning them rather than paying the gov to run around checking for poisions in hotels. What it leads to is giving more choice to everyone with less expense rather than high taxes and the gov telling everyone how to act while pertending to earn their pay. What it leads to is exactly what most Westerners wish they had , less gov and no property taxes. i dont agree... in general tourists are considered "one-time-customers" by restaurants, and in case of guesthouses, if someone just falls sick, it even extends the stay... nobody in the first place thinks of a poisoned room... its blamed onto food, the new environment, ice cubes etc... it leads to recklessnes towards people and environment... jmho... I think you should write a letter to PM and express your opinions on the matter. Drew Noyles wrote one not so long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 It leads to allowing the private sector to decide if a restraunt is worthy of eating at instead of the gov. It leads to hotels who want customers not poisioning them rather than paying the gov to run around checking for poisions in hotels. What it leads to is giving more choice to everyone with less expense rather than high taxes and the gov telling everyone how to act while pertending to earn their pay. What it leads to is exactly what most Westerners wish they had , less gov and no property taxes. i dont agree... in general tourists are considered "one-time-customers" by restaurants, and in case of guesthouses, if someone just falls sick, it even extends the stay... nobody in the first place thinks of a poisoned room... its blamed onto food, the new environment, ice cubes etc... it leads to recklessnes towards people and environment... jmho... I didnt expect you to agree ...... but if you think the gov cares more about people not getting sick at restraunts than the rest owners you would be wrong. If you think people are poisioning people at hotels in hopes they extend their vacations you would be wrong. You simply don't understand that the government is not only not capable of saving everyone but they don't care nearly as much as the owner of bisness who's livelyhood depends on a good reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Currently, pre-exposure immunization has been used on domesticated and normal non-human populations. In many jurisdictions, domestic dogs, cats, ferrets, and rabbits are required to be vaccinated. Imrab is an example of a veterinary rabies vaccine containing the Pasteur strain of killed rabies virus. Several different types of Imrab exist, including Imrab, Imrab 3, and Imrab Large Animal. Imrab 3 has been approved for ferrets and, in some areas, pet skunks I would think I had bigger problems than rabies with a pet skunk ! lol The human diploid cell rabies vaccine (H.D.C.V.) was started in 1967. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines are made using the attenuated Pitman-Moore L503 strain of the virus. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines have been given to more than 1.5 million people as of 2006 Edited July 21, 2012 by MrRealDeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Currently, pre-exposure immunization has been used on domesticated and normal non-human populations. In many jurisdictions, domestic dogs, cats, ferrets, and rabbits are required to be vaccinated. Imrab is an example of a veterinary rabies vaccine containing the Pasteur strain of killed rabies virus. Several different types of Imrab exist, including Imrab, Imrab 3, and Imrab Large Animal. Imrab 3 has been approved for ferrets and, in some areas, pet skunks I would think I had bigger problems than rabies with a pet skunk ! lol The human diploid cell rabies vaccine (H.D.C.V.) was started in 1967. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines are made using the attenuated Pitman-Moore L503 strain of the virus. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines have been given to more than 1.5 million people as of 2006 I think this info you copied from some where is little outdated, rabies vaccines have changed dramatically in the past few years. Even the painful injections are not longer painful and injected into shoulder instead of stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSnapper Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Currently, pre-exposure immunization has been used on domesticated and normal non-human populations. In many jurisdictions, domestic dogs, cats, ferrets, and rabbits are required to be vaccinated. Imrab is an example of a veterinary rabies vaccine containing the Pasteur strain of killed rabies virus. Several different types of Imrab exist, including Imrab, Imrab 3, and Imrab Large Animal. Imrab 3 has been approved for ferrets and, in some areas, pet skunks I would think I had bigger problems than rabies with a pet skunk ! lol The human diploid cell rabies vaccine (H.D.C.V.) was started in 1967. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines are made using the attenuated Pitman-Moore L503 strain of the virus. Human diploid cell rabies vaccines have been given to more than 1.5 million people as of 2006 I think this info you copied from some where is little outdated, rabies vaccines have changed dramatically in the past few years. Even the painful injections are not longer painful and injected into shoulder instead of stomach. The info was historical not outdated, the most recent advancment is the V-RG it came about in 1984 which was not just a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. Need 2 shots after each bite, this i know, have been bitten 3 times in the past 10 months, Only soi dogs did not chase me, was breaking up fights between my dogs and some soi dogs. Not a big deal, scars look good on any man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. This would contradict that : The duration of immunity afforded to humans by a two injection vaccination course was found to be between two to three years.[11][12][13] Following administration of a booster dose (recommended at one year), one study found 97% of immuno-competent individuals demonstrate protective levels of neutralizing antibodies at 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Threads about Soi Dogs and dogs in Thailand are becoming more common than threads about sin sod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP25 Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 it is IMPOSSIBLE to walk along ANY street in bangkok at night time, without having a gang of dogs running after you... and to make clear, its not only one gang... one after the other, all along the way... Maybe you should stop walking around at night with bacon in your pockets as I've never had a problem with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phl Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. This would contradict that : The duration of immunity afforded to humans by a two injection vaccination course was found to be between two to three years.[11][12][13] Following administration of a booster dose (recommended at one year), one study found 97% of immuno-competent individuals demonstrate protective levels of neutralizing antibodies at 10 years again outdated info. any physician will tell you that you need 2 shots after each bite as a booster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 I'm sure they will because they don;t want to risk you being the 3 percent that are not safe , but it's still true that 97% percent of the people getting the bosters don't need them , it's a precaution for the 3 percent of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSnapper Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. This would contradict that : The duration of immunity afforded to humans by a two injection vaccination course was found to be between two to three years.[11][12][13] Following administration of a booster dose (recommended at one year), one study found 97% of immuno-competent individuals demonstrate protective levels of neutralizing antibodies at 10 years again outdated info. any physician will tell you that you need 2 shots after each bite as a booster Because 97% is not "immune". Rabies is deadly, so you cannot take any risk, even if only 3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. This would contradict that : The duration of immunity afforded to humans by a two injection vaccination course was found to be between two to three years.[11][12][13] Following administration of a booster dose (recommended at one year), one study found 97% of immuno-competent individuals demonstrate protective levels of neutralizing antibodies at 10 years again outdated info. any physician will tell you that you need 2 shots after each bite as a booster Because 97% is not "immune". Rabies is deadly, so you cannot take any risk, even if only 3%. Sure I understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneliane Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 (edited) Thailand IS declared as a country to have rabies It is your responsibility as a tourist to come prepared with adequate vaccins wow, one would think they would then do something about the straying dogs... rabies just shrugged off? No they actually do a lot more than western countries regarding the stray dogs suspected of rabies. They take them in center for isolation and vaccinate them for free. If you see a dog that is suspected of rabies you have a number to call and they come and pick it up In the West they just kill them Edited July 21, 2012 by aneliane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aneliane Posted July 21, 2012 Share Posted July 21, 2012 Please note: even if you're vaccinated you need a few (but less) shots after being bitten. Vaccination doesn't make immune. This would contradict that : The duration of immunity afforded to humans by a two injection vaccination course was found to be between two to three years.[11][12][13] Following administration of a booster dose (recommended at one year), one study found 97% of immuno-competent individuals demonstrate protective levels of neutralizing antibodies at 10 years It all depend of your immune system. If it's low, you might still develop rabies despite having vaccinated, especially if it's recent.* In THL it's every year because the risk is real In the west every 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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