Democrats Slam Thaksin Criticism Of Court

[Noistar]

"Thaksin is exploiting the red shirts by pushing them to intimidate the Constitution Court and using them to increase his bargaining power, and in the meantime he also pushes for charter amendment. His methodology does not benefit the government and the country but only brings about more conflicts,'' he said.

The red shirts aren't only intimidating the CC, but they are also attacking the Democrats in Chiang Mai, by blocking roads and throwing stones.

Yay for Red Democracy.

As per my post in the thread on Abhists visit.

The democratically elected ruling party will not allow the democratically elected leader of the opposition to be treated in this way.

The Red Shirts are not part of PT so PTP cannot be accused of supporting these actions.

I'm sure the ruling party will soon be issuing a statement condemning the actions of the Red Shirts, thus ensuring that nobody is in any doubt about the PTP Democracy credentials.

Or.......?

So when Thaksin said.............

“Those who benefit from full-fledged democracy want to bring it back,” Thaksin said. “Those who fear democracy may be developed too far resist it. That’s the root cause of the problem.”

He was referring to the redshirts who believe the Democrats right to freedom of speech is override by the redshirts right to political harassment and to violently protest anyone they don't agree with. Therefore the redshirts are the root cause of the problem.

I don't understand your reply. Are you agreeing or disagreeing?

Is it the duty of the democratically elected ruling party to defend Democracy?

Shouldn't they protect a politician's right to free speech, especially a senior politician who is the Leader of their opposition?

Like him or not, he is a major part of Government

[Moruya]

uhm.... who cares?

the democrats are always slamming something or other, whinging and moaning...

maybe they'd be better off speaking to the electorate through the media in concise points about how they would be better at governing with their policies.

Only a cretin would value thuggery over the normal democratic process of visiting politicians.

If the tanks rolled to restore law and order I'm the country you would be the first to bleat. I would be deaf to it.

no idea....

That sums up most, if not all, of your bilge.

[nurofiend]

uhm.... who cares?

the democrats are always slamming something or other, whinging and moaning...

maybe they'd be better off speaking to the electorate through the media in concise points about how they would be better at governing with their policies.

Only a cretin would value thuggery over the normal democratic process of visiting politicians.

If the tanks rolled to restore law and order I'm the country you would be the first to bleat. I would be deaf to it.

no idea....

That sums up most, if not all, of your bilge.

cloud cuckooland

[thaicbr]

Thaksin and his cronies

typical phrasing of an unbiased, professional news agency of the highest caliber.

But surprisingly accurate.

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[Noistar]

uhm.... who cares?

the democrats are always slamming something or other, whinging and moaning...

maybe they'd be better off speaking to the electorate through the media in concise points about how they would be better at governing with their policies.

Am I wandering off topic if I ask why you suggest they speak through the media.

Any reason why they shouldn't travel and speak?

As TVF posters will be bored with my saying, I live in Chiang Mai. I don't know everybody in Chiang Mai. Those of my acquaintance aren't fussed about politics. They are concerned that shop trade has taken a significant downturn.

The Democrats, PTP or the tooth-fairy are all the same. All they want is a reasonable life

i already answered that question

i'm not saying they should ONLY speak through the media... i mentioned the media because this story is in the media, so i asked would it not be better to talk up their policies and alternatives to the media instead of constant bashing, slamming and playing games such as pretending that ptp were trying to topple democracy with the king as head of state.... it makes them look petty, when they could actually do something positive.

if they ignored some of what thaksin says - just every once in a while - and pushed some populist policies themselves aimed at the poor, ie like the last ditch effort of ones they announced in 2011, they might just sway some votes from the rural poor and i don't mean the red shirts.

i agree that there of course a lot of people who are quite apathetic about voting and who's in charge as long as life goes on and they are comfortable.

you'll find this in pretty much any country besides obviously places like egypt and libya atm.

i think life was going on pretty normally in 06 too before the army moved in and 'saved' the country

which i think is a load of balls btw - ie the saved part.

The current role (IMHO) of the Opposition is to debate with the ruling party the policies which the ruling party are trying to adopt.

I believe they want and are ready to perform this DUTY but IMHO they are unable to do this because the ruling party have set up a mechanism (the Speaker) to thwart any attempts at meaningful debate.

Whether the PM takes part or not is irrelevant.

Proposing policies is part of an election campaign, not IMHO, part of actual governing, ie the running of the country.

[phiphidon]

well i suppose i am just quoting an abhisit statement that's out in the open.

he said "It is wrong that some political parties are allowed to have supporters obstructing other political parties' activities"

Your phrasing and rolling over the floor smiley suggests you think that like the Pheu Thai with the red-shirts the Dem's have a (militant) protest group. Whereas there are protesters who sometimes side with the Dems, it's not as plain-for-all-to-see as with Pheu Thai / UDD / red-shirts. In the last general elections the PAD / yellow-shirts were a separate entity objecting to both Pheu Thai and Dems. Of course you may be referring to yet another supporter group. If so, please elaborate

EDIT: just some correcting to English phrasing, one of these days I'll start looking for a Dutch-language only forum

For the benefit of yourself and anybody else fearing a visit from those firebrand red shirt protesters here they are outside the hotel where abhisit was planning his fearful exit through the back entrance, so we're told.

Luckily Abhisit had a phalanx of Chiang Mais' pluckiest BIB's to save him from being ripped apart by the red shirt ruffians

Lucky to get away with his life..................

All photos and more news on "this incident" (in thai) here http://www.dailynews...politics/137039

You do know what 'supporting evidence' means don't you?

Must just be me then that thinks the "evidence" posted in the form of photos above is not remotely similar to the slightly hysterical approach taken by some posters on this forum and by abhisit himself with regard to the incident/s that are alleged to have taken place. I was to be perfectly honest expecting to see something more agressive, something more in accordance with

"those normal democratic actions of red-shirts (when pushed and provoked by visiting Dems I guess), loudspeakers to deliver verbal attacks, threw rocks at the car he came in, tried to cordon off the area to catch him, tried to block a road, and several vehicles carrying his staff were battered."

and other emotional descriptions of some sort of battle from which abhisit had to scuttle out the rear entrance of the hotel he was speaking at -

Why? Is he a Wuss or what?

Edited July 24, 2012 by phiphidon

[Moruya]

cloud cuckooland

Cloud Cuckoo land is a place where people convince themselves of something without any known facts.

[rubl]

Must just be me then that thinks the "evidence" posted in the form of photos above is not remotely similar to the slightly hysterical approach taken by some posters on this forum and by abhisit himself with regard to the incident/s that are alleged to have taken place. I was to be perfectly honest expecting to see something more agressive, something more in accordance with

"those normal democratic actions of red-shirts (when pushed and provoked by visiting Dems I guess), loudspeakers to deliver verbal attacks, threw rocks at the car he came in, tried to cordon off the area to catch him, tried to block a road, and several vehicles carrying his staff were battered."

and other emotional descriptions of some sort of battle from which abhisit had to scuttle out the rear entrance of the hotel he was speaking at -

Why? Is he a Wuss or what?

My dear phiphidon, now you are somewhat disingenuous. For various reasons as well.

Firstly the "emotional description of the battle" you might have read in the other paper's article if only you'd bothered to follow the link I PMed you. Secondly two photo's do not 'proof' an entire situation as you perfectly well know with all discussions on March - May 2010 and who shot whom and who was unarmed or not. Thirdly to complain about red-shirt stalkers turning ugly has nothing to do with being a wuss or not. Haven't you complained about yellow-shirt posters who only in writing here you deem offensive?

Now tell me again, what was your stance on democracy, double standards and the like?

[tlansford]

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well i suppose i am just quoting an abhisit statement that's out in the open.

he said "It is wrong that some political parties are allowed to have supporters obstructing other political parties' activities"

yeah, I almost choked on my patongo reading that one...

. Patango 3 thumbs up

1. (noun) Urban slang for penis.not to be confused with "Pop-The-Top" often given to babies that were failed to be aborted in the womb.

To be fair, tlansford mentioned "patongo" which probably doesn't refer to a provice in Northern Uganda, but to this delicious snack

http://www.ufmfc.com...?products_id=17

Correct - made fresh every morning right up the road a bit.

Now where Waza's slightly mis-spelled definition was funny, Abhisit's quote was a hoot. (or for Waza, "Hooters")

[Reasonableman]

The image of someone choking on his patango is just hilarious. Thanks for that.

[tlansford]

The image of someone choking on his patango is just hilarious. Thanks for that.

while his was a humorous comment, you seem to miss the fact that he just made that sh!t up...

"Potopov 3 thumbs up 1. (noun) A Potopov is a Russian name, not to be confused with "Pop-The-Top" often given to babies that were failed to be aborted in the womb."

[Crushdepth]

Thaksin and his cronies

typical phrasing of an unbiased, professional news agency of the highest caliber.

I take this back, it may have been attributed to the Democratic Party MP. It is sometimes hard to tell with unbiased, professional news agencies of the highest caliber.

Biased? If the statement had been made about a democrat MP, would you be complaining about it? There's your bias. It's all 'democracy' and 'free speech' until somebody criticises the government. Then you want people to describe a spade as hand-operated earth relocation and garden management device.

Edited July 24, 2012 by Crushdepth

[OzMick]

The image of someone choking on his patango is just hilarious. Thanks for that.

while his was a humorous comment, you seem to miss the fact that he just made that sh!t up...

"Potopov 3 thumbs up 1. (noun) A Potopov is a Russian name, not to be confused with "Pop-The-Top" often given to babies that were failed to be aborted in the womb."

What was your first clue, Sherlock?

[Reasonableman]

The image of someone choking on his patango is just hilarious. Thanks for that.

while his was a humorous comment, you seem to miss the fact that he just made that sh!t up...

"Potopov 3 thumbs up 1. (noun) A Potopov is a Russian name, not to be confused with "Pop-The-Top" often given to babies that were failed to be aborted in the womb."

OK, OK, enough. It was funny, though. Best laugh for yonks.

[necronx99]

Thaksin and his cronies

typical phrasing of an unbiased, professional news agency of the highest caliber.

"The dangerous fleeing criminal and his henchmen", is a better description, I agree.

Interpol dont think Thaksin is a criminal. The Thai court does not have much credibility (where Thaksin is concerned) outside of your head.

Interpol does not decide who is a criminal. Interpol has no mandate to act on it's own, it merely facilitates cooperation between various signatory police forces.

If the Thai police requested that Interpol assist in the apprehension of Dear Leader, they would.

No such request has been made.

[backtonormal]

Me thinks you need to read some neutral literature about Thailand

I would be highly surprised if you had such.

Personal comments as above just defeatist on your behalf. Loser

[Thaddeus]

Me thinks you need to read some neutral literature about Thailand

I would be highly surprised if you had such.

Personal comments as above just defeatist on your behalf. Loser

Real neutral literature about the history of Thailand is available, not easily available within Thailand though (They banned Tin Tin, I read it in LPDR, didn't try to bring it over, worrying about stuff in that book indicates a very deep and wide insecurity)

BTW, calling some one 'loser' on an internet forum just makes you sound a bit of immature.

Edited July 24, 2012 by Thaddeus