Pad Tells Thai Govt: Withdraw Bills Or We Will Rally

[rubl]

The PAD worries too much, our PM already said so in March this year

"Yingluck insisted that the on-going charter amendment was not aimed at helping anyone in particular.

She said the amendments sought to set up a new constitution drafting assembly and critics were worrying too much."

http://www.thaivisa....-thailand-soon/

I'm sure we'll get more reinsurances soon as lots of Pheu Thai MPs have visited k. Thaksin to congratulate him with his birthday

Well I'll be more than interested in you telling me how the amendment to Section 291 were going to "help anyone in particular" which is presumably your usual veiled speaking approach which really meant "to help bring back thaksin".

So having got that into the open I'm sure you'll agree with me that the PAD have nothing to fear as the amendment to Section 291 was to provide for a CDA. Now thanks to the deliberate paranoia of the PAD and the dems the more democratic way where the people would have been involved in the writing of the constitution has been closed off (mainly due to the threatened mob demos causing trouble in the streets and the expense of having to have two referendums).

Amendments to the constitution will now more than likely take place within parliament with no public participation possible whatsover (unless you call skirmishes by the dems in parliament and PAD demos public participation).

So do you agree with me that the PAD "worries too much" ?

Too many questions, dear phiphidon.

For one the "not aimed at helping anyone in particular" is not my, but PM Yingluck's veiled approach. She said it, not me.

The amendment was for a CDA which formation criteria were not completely democratic, but heh! that's just my opinion. I'm sure you liked it. In the UK this issue would be handled in the same way, I'm sure.

As for the article by article rewrite, there are two issues. One is flaunting the law and CC by saying "well, if we can't do in one go, we do it step by step for the same result", Secondly all article amendments would need to be discussed and justified before being pushed down our throats in a democratic fashion. That would give the public the opportunity to voice displeasure.

BTW can you explain in non-BS terms why the current constitution which isn't much different from the previous one, needs to be 'completely' rewritten?

[Ferangled]

Also solved border tensions. Hahaha.

The border situation was instigated on the request of the former personal economic advisor to Hun Sen.

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Presumably your opinion, unless you have proof of treason that is?

No proof. I was told that by a Thai. In a conversation about the Democrats. The person could not give evidence. Do you have evidence to state otherwise?

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What great logic you display... on the same basis any mudslinging and deliberate lies are justifiable points for discussion, eh? Sorry but where I come from if you make a statement you back it up with some reasoning or evidence, otherwise it's simply called a lie!

[Reasonableman]

One opinion versus another, and neither has proof of their assertion, apparently. Hmmmm, who to believe? A review of the veracity and credibility of previous posts might help. One is far more aggressive and offensive, so under the current regime, I guess he must be right...

[thaicbr]

Also solved border tensions. Hahaha.

The border situation was instigated on the request of the former personal economic advisor to Hun Sen.

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Presumably your opinion, unless you have proof of treason that is?

No proof. I was told that by a Thai. In a conversation about the Democrats. The person could not give evidence. Do you have evidence to state otherwise?

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What great logic you display... on the same basis any mudslinging and deliberate lies are justifiable points for discussion, eh? Sorry but where I come from if you make a statement you back it up with some reasoning or evidence, otherwise it's simply called a lie!

Mudslinging and deliberate lies. Jeeze just listen to Jatuporn. Korkaew or Nattuwatt any evening on Red TV.

I learnt it from the Red tinted brigade.

Say words which may or may not be true. But in this instance it's not a lie. Just a matter of opinion based on timeline of events. Maybe you should look it up.

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[hellodolly]

Rallying and causing damage...is that all these political parties (red, yellow,- whatever) know about democracy?

No they know how o scam the county out of money with back room dealings and the use of their relatives names on some of their holdings.

[brianb1944]

Sounds reasonable to me, if you have a govt trying to foist upon us a bill that isn't actually going to achieve what it sets out to do, and evidently not supported by society (in polls), then use your right to protest their action. Pity protest has been so overused, people now seem to be averse to it.

Us?

[hellodolly]

Also solved border tensions. Hahaha.

The border situation was instigated on the request of the former personal economic advisor to Hun Sen.

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Presumably your opinion, unless you have proof of treason that is?

If the border tensions are solved what is the reason for shooting at Thai aircraft by Cambodian soldiers. If the differences were settled they would not have fired on it regardless if it was a military spy plane or a commercial plane.

I think the fact is they have been able to keep it out of the public spotlight by their blatant efforts to whitewash Yinglucks clone and double his multi billion baht wealth under the guise of reconciliation.

All so has Thailand had all their cases thrown out of the international court. Or are they just saying we agree you were rite the land is yours.

[Moruya]

The PAD worries too much, our PM already said so in March this year

"Yingluck insisted that the on-going charter amendment was not aimed at helping anyone in particular.

She said the amendments sought to set up a new constitution drafting assembly and critics were worrying too much."

http://www.thaivisa....-thailand-soon/

I'm sure we'll get more reinsurances soon as lots of Pheu Thai MPs have visited k. Thaksin to congratulate him with his birthday

Well I'll be more than interested in you telling me how the amendment to Section 291 were going to "help anyone in particular" which is presumably your usual veiled speaking approach which really meant "to help bring back thaksin".

So having got that into the open I'm sure you'll agree with me that the PAD have nothing to fear as the amendment to Section 291 was to provide for a CDA. Now thanks to the deliberate paranoia of the PAD and the dems the more democratic way where the people would have been involved in the writing of the constitution has been closed off (mainly due to the threatened mob demos causing trouble in the streets and the expense of having to have two referendums).

Amendments to the constitution will now more than likely take place within parliament with no public participation possible whatsover (unless you call skirmishes by the dems in parliament and PAD demos public participation).

So do you agree with me that the PAD "worries too much" ?

It's simple PPD.

If the PT want to change something they must have a reason.

If they have a reason it must be bad.

Ergo it should be stopped

[animatic]

When faced with diametrically opposing opinions, believe what has plausible logic behind it.

Regardless of the person or persons making charges particular biases.

All. propaganda has kernels of truth to make the big lie seem real.

So find that small truth through a sea of big lies using logic:

Who benefits?

Who is hurt?

Who is stating what?

Why did something happen at this moment in time?

Who benefits at this moment in time or in the future?

What does their side have to gain by putting out a false story?

And how much verifiable truth can be credited to them in the past?

Some people have so very little truth verifiable to their credit, that you can often take the opposite of their statements against others as truth, since their past statements are so often proved, false and/or biased against truth, and towards their own profiting.

Edited July 26, 2012 by animatic

[Buchholz]

The PAD worries too much, our PM already said so in March this year

"Yingluck insisted that the on-going charter amendment was not aimed at helping anyone in particular.

She said the amendments sought to set up a new constitution drafting assembly and critics were worrying too much."

http://www.thaivisa....-thailand-soon/

I'm sure we'll get more reinsurances soon as lots of Pheu Thai MPs have visited k. Thaksin to congratulate him with his birthday

Pheu Thai MP's AND the top cop in the country.

btw, today is his birthday

Hurry Home!

[chotthee]

The PAD worries too much, our PM already said so in March this year

"Yingluck insisted that the on-going charter amendment was not aimed at helping anyone in particular.

She said the amendments sought to set up a new constitution drafting assembly and critics were worrying too much."

http://www.thaivisa....-thailand-soon/

I'm sure we'll get more reinsurances soon as lots of Pheu Thai MPs have visited k. Thaksin to congratulate him with his birthday

Pheu Thai MP's AND the top cop in the country.

btw, today is his birthday

Hurry Home!

HBD Thaksin.

[h90]

Writing an entirely new constitution? When was that decided?

So, PPD apparently now thinks Parliament is unrepresentative of the people. That's a change from the previous tune. Whichever way the wind blows, as long as it suits your agenda. Machiavelli has little need for principle or consistency

And such touching concern about the huge expense of 2 referenda (no public participation here, either, apparently). Good one, PPD!

that was decided when the courts start to make problems.

So remove the courts.....

[Nickymaster]

Maybe the PAD are right. Maybe the PTP should get on with governing the country for the good of all Thais not just a convicted criminal.

I hear this tiresome line of attack constantly here and by the BlueSky boys. PT are governing the country. They have made significant inroads into the drug epidemic, rife under the Dems; delivered on many of their election promises, such as min. wage, tablets, etc.; done significant work on flood prevention; undergoing feasibility studies on high speed rail; solved border tension issues and agreed on joint ventures with neighboring countries.

For those who persistently falsely accuse the government of not delivering on election promises, don't you remember that they also promised rewriting the constitution, reconciliation bills and bringing home TS.

What a load of B/S , min wage only in 7 countys who for the most part were being paid that anyway, tabs, under a million distributed of the 11000000 promised , work on FLOOD prevention ??? lets wait till the rains come, we are still waiting for the promised COMPENSATION and the list goes on, take off your rose tinted classes and get REAL.

People are still wating for their 20,000THB compensation after they have lost EVERYTHING. BUT..red shirts with sentences up to 20 years are bailed out for 2 MILLION a person paid for by THIS government.

A government for all people according to Yingluck. Such statements make me sick. (sorry).

Edited July 26, 2012 by Nickymaster

[h90]

Maybe the PAD are right. Maybe the PTP should get on with governing the country for the good of all Thais not just a convicted criminal.

I hear this tiresome line of attack constantly here and by the BlueSky boys. PT are governing the country. They have made significant inroads into the drug epidemic, rife under the Dems; delivered on many of their election promises, such as min. wage, tablets, etc.; done significant work on flood prevention; undergoing feasibility studies on high speed rail; solved border tension issues and agreed on joint ventures with neighboring countries.

For those who persistently falsely accuse the government of not delivering on election promises, don't you remember that they also promised rewriting the constitution, reconciliation bills and bringing home TS.

What a load of B/S , min wage only in 7 countys who for the most part were being paid that anyway, tabs, under a million distributed of the 11000000 promised , work on FLOOD prevention ??? lets wait till the rains come, we are still waiting for the promised COMPENSATION and the list goes on, take off your rose tinted classes and get REAL.

People are still wating for their 20,000THB compensation after they have lost EVERYTHING. BUT..red shirts with sentences up to 20 years are bailed out for 2 MILLION a person paid for by THIS goverment.

A government for all people according to Yingluck. Such statements make me sick.

No the government did not pay 2 Millions. If you pay yourself 2 Millions you don't have more or less money.

It is just overrulling the courts.

[Nickymaster]

No the government did not pay 2 Millions. If you pay yourself 2 Millions you don't have more or less money.

It is just overrulling the courts.

Why no? I am not following you. If the red shirts jump bail, the justice ministry will loose 2 million right?

http://www.thaivisa....-13-red-shirts/

Edited July 26, 2012 by Nickymaster

[tlansford]

Maybe the PAD are right. Maybe the PTP should get on with governing the country for the good of all Thais not just a convicted criminal.

I hear this tiresome line of attack constantly here and by the BlueSky boys. PT are governing the country. They have made significant inroads into the drug epidemic, rife under the Dems; delivered on many of their election promises, such as min. wage, tablets, etc.; done significant work on flood prevention; undergoing feasibility studies on high speed rail; solved border tension issues and agreed on joint ventures with neighboring countries.

For those who persistently falsely accuse the government of not delivering on election promises, don't you remember that they also promised rewriting the constitution, reconciliation bills and bringing home TS.

I hope your nic is not a description of the contents of your cranium, but what in reality have the PTP done for the Thai people apart from the imaginary items you mentioned?

what in reality did the dems do to completion for the thai people in the time they were in office?

called for elections...

OK, all joking aside, yours is a good question. It has been noted that they did not have any election promises to keep, and the they did change the constitution but that was meant to help them in elections and they backed away from any significant changes like the LM laws or the dissolution of parties. I recall that Abhisit had to handle his own issues with floods in the South at the start of 2011...

Seems like the democrats must have had some legislative initiatives, proposals, and successes...

[thaicbr]

Wow. Tlansford. Taking a post from page 5. And then not actually answering it but being facetious and also not acknowledging the things that the Democrats did do. I'm disappointed

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[notmyself]

Same same like parliamentary democracy, but with tanks.

[tlansford]

Wow. Tlansford. Taking a post from page 5. And then not actually answering it but being facetious and also not acknowledging the things that the Democrats did do. I'm disappointed

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The first part was a joke. The second part contains the self-serving legislation they passed. The third part is a genuine question regarding their legislative agenda... What were their successes?

The floor is yours...

[thaicbr]

Wow. Tlansford. Taking a post from page 5. And then not actually answering it but being facetious and also not acknowledging the things that the Democrats did do. I'm disappointed

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The first part was a joke. The second part contains the self-serving legislation they passed. The third part is a genuine question regarding their legislative agenda... What were their successes?

The floor is yours...

I have answered already. post 5 I think it was.

To be fair they didn't have a whole lot of time considering the Reds were on the streets for half the time they were in power. Oh and Cambodia was causing trouble at the border.. and before you say it. Yes. Kasit IS a knob.

By the way I did have a little chuckle at your joke.

Though it was others calling for an election was it not

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Edited July 26, 2012 by thaicbr

[tlansford]

Wow. Tlansford. Taking a post from page 5. And then not actually answering it but being facetious and also not acknowledging the things that the Democrats did do. I'm disappointed

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The first part was a joke. The second part contains the self-serving legislation they passed. The third part is a genuine question regarding their legislative agenda... What were their successes?

The floor is yours...

I have answered already. post 5 I think it was.

To be fair they didn't have a whole lot of time considering the Reds were on the streets for half the time they were in power. Oh and Cambodia was causing trouble at the border.. and before you say it. Yes. Kasit IS a knob.

By the way I did have a little chuckle at your joke.

Though it was others calling for an election was it not

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maybe your post disappeared?

[waza]

Wow. Tlansford. Taking a post from page 5. And then not actually answering it but being facetious and also not acknowledging the things that the Democrats did do. I'm disappointed

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The first part was a joke. The second part contains the self-serving legislation they passed. The third part is a genuine question regarding their legislative agenda... What were their successes?

The floor is yours...

I have answered already. post 5 I think it was.

To be fair they didn't have a whole lot of time considering the Reds were on the streets for half the time they were in power. Oh and Cambodia was causing trouble at the border.. and before you say it. Yes. Kasit IS a knob.

By the way I did have a little chuckle at your joke.

Though it was others calling for an election was it not

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and they were in a minority coalition government.

[waza]

Here it is Tom.......

what in reality did the dems do to completion for the thai people in the time they were in office?

They extended free education to M3 level (15-16 years old). The lowest education level to ensure a reasonable job. it was previously P6 (11-12 years old)

Streamlining the health care scheme to make it free. And allowing people to change their designated hospital to place of work rather than registered address.

there were a few others but I cannot remember exact details.

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