webfact Posted August 20, 2012 Share Posted August 20, 2012 PM'S FUGITIVE BROTHER Thaksin ends visit, US on defensive THE NATION File photo Fugitive ex-PM heads for Korea after sparring with yellow shirts and raising awkward questions for US over visa BANGKOK: -- Thaksin Shinawatra has left the United States without fanfare, having spent much of his time in America playing cat and mouse with the yellow shirts and putting his host in a somewhat awkward situation. A phone-in was made to his supporters from South Korea, signalling an end to the US visit, which was marred by questions over whether US authorities ignored their own law, and by the return of the WikiLeaks ghost to haunt Washington. The United States' permission for Thaksin to enter the country, now that his party's in power, has put the superpower's diplomacy under scrutiny. Critics pointed to the WikiLeaks-exposed documents that purportedly showed the US Embassy in Thailand once considered him a man unsuited for a US visa. The alleged embassy cable statement claimed Thaksin "may or may not have committed crime of moral turpitude" following the street turmoil in 2009 when the Democrats were in power. The US Embassy here has never commented on anything emanating from WikiLeaks. Anti-Thaksin Thais have staged protests both in Thailand and the United States. Complaint letters were written to American authorities including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Criticism of the US visa decision was also fierce online. The campaign prompted the embassy to take the unusual step of giving a public statement on how decisions to give approximately 50,000 Thais visas annually never have anything to do with politics. Thaksin himself has admitted that US authorities did not want him to visit their country when the Democrats were in power. In an interview with a Siamtown US news group in Los Angeles, he charged that foreign governments "who did not want to quarrel with" the then Thai administration acquiesced when asked to ban his entry. Those agreeing with the US visa about-face insisted that Thaksin's conviction on criminal charges in Thailand, which should have triggered US immigration action against him, was politically motivated. This argument, however, did not quite address the question why the US government only changed its stand on Thaksin after his political party rose to power in Thailand. Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." Asked what was the "symbolic impact" of his US visit, Thaksin said: "I just want to show that I can go anywhere but Thailand." He also taunted his political rivals for "becoming afraid of the ghost that they turned me into". ASTV reports that the US authorities also became concerned about possible repercussions of his visit, so much so he was advised to keep a low profile and quietly leave the country. The reports could not be verified. -- The Nation 2012-08-21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Curt1591 Posted August 20, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 20, 2012 ASTV reports that the US authorities also became concerned about possible repercussions of his visit, so much so he was advised to keep a low profile and quietly leave the country. The reports could not be verified. But, let's run it anyway! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ramrod711 Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GeorgeO Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" Absolutely correct. He hides behind this "political" facade, but the truth is, he is a criminal. He says he wants to show that he can go anywhere except Thailand. The truth on that point is that he can come to Thailand, no-one is stopping him ... but he has to accept that he will be arrested and imprisoned as soon as he lands here. If by some freak government decision, he isn't arrested, then I'm afraid this government will have to take full responsibility for the political turmoil, perhaps indeed, civil war, that will ensue...!! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzMick Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Well I just hope he gets those bloody pumps sorted while he's there. Did we ever sort out whether he was buying them personally or acting as an agent for the Thai government? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonableman Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 (edited) The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... Edited August 21, 2012 by Reasonableman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 lol.... down to his last million.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogueExpat Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... Has to be a miss-print, however if he did say that, to play the sympathy card, it just shows how far his megalomania has made him think he can say anything and his supporters will lap it up like God honest truth. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GentlemanJim Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" Quite! Can any of the normal red sympathizers help me understand how raping a country of billions of dollars in financial fraud can be a political crime? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Moruya Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 My my, how those lies flow naturally 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post apetley Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 "I just want to show that I can go anywhere but Thailand". Give Thai a call. Buy a ticket. Get on the plane and you could be here tomorrow. Gutless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AleG Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... "Boo hoo, poor poor me, so destitute" And a few lines before he was bragging about his private jet that can fly him anywhere except Thailand. I said it before, and I´ll say it again: text book psycopath. Facet 1 Interpersonal Glibness/superficial charm Grandiose sense of self-worth Pathological lying Cunning/manipulative Still no lack of bootlickers for the "man". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
necronx99 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... Poor guy,he'll have to ditch that private jet and start flying AirAsia soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... Poor guy,he'll have to ditch that private jet and start flying AirAsia soon. Free accommodation awaits at Bang Kwang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" Quite! Can any of the normal red sympathizers help me understand how raping a country of billions of dollars in financial fraud can be a political crime? Mugabe, Amin, Ghadafi, Saddam Hussein, the North Korean Kim "dynasty", most former Eastern Bloc communist leaders, countless former and current Indian politicians - all raped their countries for personal gain. All were "politicians" so it's easy to see how he thinks this is normal political behaviour not a crime! 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ableguy Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" He listens to his own lies and bull sh****** so much he really believes it,, what a jerk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ricardo Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... "I have less than $1 million", wonder how he pays the fuel-bills and leasing-fees & landing-costs on his private jet then ? ! I also liked the question "So it's your seventh year in exile", where his answer seemed to forget his spending several months living here during 2008, before he left to attend the Beijing Olympic Opening-Ceremony. Perhaps his memory is going ? Also "The only place on earth where Thaksin Shinawatra's private jet cannot travel is the country where he served as prime minister. Or so he claims." Unfortunately there is insufficient space to spell-out, just why his private jet cannot fly here, he has a passport & his sister is the Prime Minister and several other relatives hold influential government positions, in the pro-Thaksin government. So what's stopping him from returning ? Perhaps because he is so much in-demand by other major world-figures, "Recently, I visited the United States and met Henry Kissinger for a talk on U.S. Asian policy", surely he would have been better discussing this with someone from the current, or even a recent, administration ? No doubt the attractions of meeting a handful of loyal supporters, in 3rd-rate walk-up Thai restaurants, left no time for this, in his busy schedule. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post outre99 Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Just another example of America's duplicity. It's ok for a convicted criminal to visit the US, but they will use all kinds of illegal pressure on UK and Sweeden to harass Asange. I have not troble with "real politik", that's just the way of life. But when americans strut around the world and lecture other countries about human rights, press freedoms, and the rule of law it's the height of hypocracy. I don't have much love for China but i applaud when they tell the US to sit down and shut up. And since China is the largest single US creditor and the new rising super-power their words carry more and more weight. It's time for the US bully to learn the lesson. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Political double-talk: his party is in power so they can allow him into the country. Then they say his exile is a political issue. My guess is the visa was somehow quietly fast-tracked and by the time word of it reached the higher echelons of the US State Dept it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiniyow Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The Very BEST of Lawyers and he was found Guilty....With Power he can Have all the Money he wants..He Misses that Power.and expects people to feel sorry for him since he feels he was Rail roaded... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 I think Thaksin meant "I have only $1 Million"............ "in cash, in my briefcase that my assistant carries everywhere for me". My heart is bleeding purple pi**! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Anon999 Posted August 21, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted August 21, 2012 Where are all his supporters hiding? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Where are all his supporters hiding? They're waiting for the funds transfer to be confirmed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... Once I lived the life of a Billionaire...... How much is the dole in Bangkok? I want to be straight, I want to be straightI wanna create a place of my own in the welfare state Brr, gonna be good, brr, gonna be kind It might be a wrench but think of the stench I'm leaving behind I wanna be straight, I wanna be straight Come out of the cold and do what I'm told and don't deviate I wanna give, I wanna give, I wanna give my consent I'm learning to hate all the things that were great when I used to be… bent! Could be not straightness Dum dum dilley Might lead to greatness Dur yuh dum der Owing to lateness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tragickingdom Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 A good reason for the US to withdraw the Visas of those people who obviously do not realize that they are guests and should not harass other foreigners. The problem with the Thai elite is that they behave also abroad as if the foreign country in theirs. Book a few flights and send the yellow gang home. When the Thai yellows had grabbed power they did the same, anyone with a different opinion was blacklisted including lawyers like Robert amsterdam. So there should be no backlash at all, just apply their own rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masaomi Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Asked by Siamtown US to comment on allegations that his US visa was part of a "trade-off", Thaksin said: "People who don't know the truth talk a lot. Worse still, those who know are not quite smart. The first thing they should know is, the extradition treaty does not cover political cases. Mine is a political case." It is political, only in the sense that he was in office when he committed a crime that wasn't about politics, just money. He must feel like an idiot sometimes, his greed cost him his "face" Absolutely correct. He hides behind this "political" facade, but the truth is, he is a criminal. He says he wants to show that he can go anywhere except Thailand. The truth on that point is that he can come to Thailand, no-one is stopping him ... but he has to accept that he will be arrested and imprisoned as soon as he lands here. If by some freak government decision, he isn't arrested, then I'm afraid this government will have to take full responsibility for the political turmoil, perhaps indeed, civil war, that will ensue...!! I am neither for or against Thaksin. I think you are being too harsh on him for the financial gains. Let's not forget that during his reign, farangs have a much easier time renewing their visa, e.g. crossing borders gives you one month visas and there is no limit to any amount of times you go! Now, you can do it only 3 to 4 times & you get only 15 days each time (MEAN). Registering & maintaining a farangs' company now costs more and is more restricted with the 4 staffs requirements! During Thaksin everything was easy for farangs! I don't know why the idiots are still persecuting him for something which every government in the world is doing! Making financial gains for themselves. Dudes, give him a break! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LomSak27 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 "Where are all his supporters hiding?" Chances are anon, you mistake people with a healthy suspicion and mistrust of the Dems and Sondhis Yellow thugs with being a flag waving Thaiksin acolyte. Time to grow up and smell the Tom Yum. I didn't think the US would let him in (because its trouble) but they have bigger fish to fry; Obama was out pressing the flesh, bought a round a beer at the Iowa State Fair. Pre season NFL football is well under way and the first roster cut is coming up. This is a big time event, not in the same league as The First BCS NCAA polls are out too. These are Pretty big events compared to say a former Thai PM, complexities and lies that get spewed regrading extradition, specifically thai extradition laws/treaties with other countries ------------- that the Nation informs and misinforms its readers about. However you could find out, if this was a quid pro quo for the Nasa project, then how the heck did he get the VISA ? Come on guys and gals I need help here; What Gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywais Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 The latest (?) from S Korea... http://koreajoongang...|home|newslist1 Down to the last $1 million... At least what is in his hand - some of his caretakers probably hold the rest for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chainarong Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 i think for sometime now good ol uncle Sam has worked on the assumption of, Don't do what I do ,do as I say, they have two rules ,Secretary of state Clinton, decides which one they will use, i wounder What rule will apply to my fellow countryman Julian Assange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moruya Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 A good reason for the US to withdraw the Visas of those people who obviously do not realize that they are guests and should not harass other foreigners. The problem with the Thai elite is that they behave also abroad as if the foreign country in theirs. Book a few flights and send the yellow gang home. When the Thai yellows had grabbed power they did the same, anyone with a different opinion was blacklisted including lawyers like Robert amsterdam. So there should be no backlash at all, just apply their own rules. It just goes to show that the human right to speak one's mind is still alive and kicking in the land of the hotdog. If you think these people are elite, the in the words of Judge Lucy Koh "you must be smoking crack". Do you consider Thaksin to be an elite? Amsterdam should be blacklisted - he speaks ill of every country his clients fall out with. He's just a purple faced self promoter with one club in his bag - the shout iron. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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