South Residents Urged To 'Help Themselves': Thailand

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SOUTH CRISIS

South residents urged to 'help themselves'

PANYA THIOSANGWAN

THE NATION

BANGKOK: -- With violent attacks continuing on a regular basis in the far South, Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat yesterday urged civilians to "help themselves" and cooperate with the authorities and military.

"We need to mobilise cooperation from all parties, notably those who are in the South, since we cannot obtain sufficient cooperation while the insurgents are changing their targets," he said.

"Every sector will have to strengthen themselves and some need to help themselves. The military will not lower their guard now, but it needs to be in an offensive mode," the minister said.

Sukampol yesterday presided over a meeting of the military council, which picked General Daophong Rattanasuwan, the deputy Army commander, as secretary of the newly established Southern Border Provinces Administration Centre.

The centre has been widely criticised for having roles that overlap with operations of many existing agencies in the South.

Yesterday's meeting follows an arson attack early on Wednesday morning on a Honda car dealership in Pattani, which authorities believe signals a change in tactics by the insurgents, even though it was not the first business to be targeted. Hotels, restaurants, shops and banks across the deep South have all experienced attacks since violence erupted in early 2004.

Yala Governor Dejrat Simsiri instructed agencies and district chiefs to strengthen security at all car and motorbike showrooms. The tightened security was most intense at an Isuzu dealership linked with Senator Anusart Suwanmongkol, owner of the Honda showroom that was torched in Pattani, as well as the CS Pattani Hotel, which has been attacked many times.

In Pattani, the Internal Security Operations Command beefed up its watch in seven business districts, according to deputy spokesman Pramote Prom-in.

He did not specify the exact location of the seven areas.

Pattani has been divided into three areas, with the midtown designated as a safety zone, the province's outskirts as areas of surveillance and the provincial borders as patrol areas, he said.

A strong military offensive in recent months had damaged the insurgent movement, Pramote said, prompting the insurgents to take action. "The insurgents boosted their operations over the past month to show their power and call attention from the international community," he said.

-- The Nation 2012-08-24

[bigbamboo]

Help yourselves?

I thought that was a politician's prerogative.

[bobobo]

Help them selfes..? are they supposed to take a parcetamol or what...??

[h90]

if they have to help themself, than they don't need to pay taxes anymore, or?

[Skywalker69]

A nice way to say:

We don´t give a <Snip> about you because you didn´t vote for us.

Edited August 24, 2012 by metisdead
: DIsguised profanity removed, continued postings in this manner is not advised.

[sunshine51]

I reckon many have already been "helping themselves"...to weapons, ammo,

explosives, vehicles...who knows what else. This is a cop out statement

by officials who can't figure out their asses from a hole in the ground.

C'Mon gov...do better...please.

[dcutman]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

[rubl]

With violent attacks continuing on a regular basis in the far South, Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat yesterday urged civilians to "help themselves" and cooperate with the authorities and military.

Now I have a better understanding of a previous topic

http://www.thaivisa....south-thailand/

[bigbamboo]

With violent attacks continuing on a regular basis in the far South, Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat yesterday urged civilians to "help themselves" and cooperate with the authorities and military.

Now I have a better understanding of a previous topic

http://www.thaivisa....south-thailand/

Now, let's be fair here.

No new thinking may have emerged from the government but Mr T has been very busy just recently.

[Skywalker69]

With violent attacks continuing on a regular basis in the far South, Defence Minister Sukampol Suwannathat yesterday urged civilians to "help themselves" and cooperate with the authorities and military.

Now I have a better understanding of a previous topic

http://www.thaivisa....south-thailand/

Now, let's be fair here.

No new thinking may have emerged from the government but Mr T has been very busy just recently.

Yes, poor guy. I think he is happy safely back home in Dubai.

[indyuk]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Absolutely! It is time for the people of the South to act themselves, most importantly through co-operating with the troops and politicians. Further by their local government stimulating all of their community's to generate the determination to prevail.Together with government financial and administrative help as appropriate..

[Thai at Heart]

There is the daily headline containing the word "urge".

[Thai at Heart]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Absolutely! It is time for the people of the South to act themselves, most importantly through co-operating with the troops and politicians. Further by their local government stimulating all of their community's to generate the determination to prevail.Together with government financial and administrative help as appropriate..

And so they cooperate, everything guess quiet, and then then they are still just "kaek".

Nice.

[baboon]

Well, why not let them help themselves? Stop sending lazy, useless and corrupt officials down there on punishment detail and make them a more autonomous region. It might not work, but then again neither are the policies of Government [leave colours out of it] in distant Bangkok.

Give them a chance to thrive or make a backside of it on their own terms.

[Thai at Heart]

Well, why not let them help themselves? Stop sending lazy, useless and corrupt officials down there on punishment detail and make them a more autonomous region. It might not work, but then again neither are the policies of Government [leave colours out of it] in distant Bangkok.

Give them a chance to thrive or make a backside of it on their own terms.

It probably would work, but could the thais live with it getting better without them?

[baboon]

Well, why not let them help themselves? Stop sending lazy, useless and corrupt officials down there on punishment detail and make them a more autonomous region. It might not work, but then again neither are the policies of Government [leave colours out of it] in distant Bangkok.

Give them a chance to thrive or make a backside of it on their own terms.

It probably would work, but could the thais live with it getting better without them?

I don`t suppose many care, which I think is a large part of the problem.

[Thai at Heart]

Well, why not let them help themselves? Stop sending lazy, useless and corrupt officials down there on punishment detail and make them a more autonomous region. It might not work, but then again neither are the policies of Government [leave colours out of it] in distant Bangkok.

Give them a chance to thrive or make a backside of it on their own terms.

It probably would work, but could the thais live with it getting better without them?

I don`t suppose many care, which I think is a large part of the problem.

Well thainess must win out, which isn't a uniquely Thai idea. Just look how multiculturalism had died a death in Europe.

However, when the conversation stats from a point of view of kaek versus khon Thai, there needs to be a sea change on both sides.

I was out last night in bangkok with a group of old school colleagues one of whom was the soon of an extremely wealthy Thai family who regaled me with how bangkok people are better than northerners and north easterners. His analogy was kings road and east London. This coming from a public schoolboy educated in the US for university. All education and zero intelligence, and not a moments care for anyone around him. Me, me, me and me to a point that eventually we all told him to shut his snooty gob.

so it isn't as though this us purely a southern Thailand issue.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[hellodolly]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Absolutely! It is time for the people of the South to act themselves, most importantly through co-operating with the troops and politicians. Further by their local government stimulating all of their community's to generate the determination to prevail.Together with government financial and administrative help as appropriate..

+1

Any one who disagrees with this idea is in all likely hood looking for a nanny state.

While there may be a lot who would like to see their own government there are very few who are being violent about it. It is my believe that every one of them is known to some honest citizen who is afraid of a reprisal if he talks. The people should ban together when they have a terrorist and deal with him from the stand point of a united group of people not just one man. Turn him into the authorities. Along with proof. Or maybe hep him on his way to find 50 virgins. I am not a violent man just believe in helping others to reach there dreams.

[moe666]

Maybe they should help themselves and join the insurgency they seem to have the upper hand at the moment. It appears the army is running up the white flag on the south.

[johna]

The insurgents obviously have a great deal of grass root support or they would have been broken up a long time ago.

News reports from the south, which are generally nothing more then reprints of government press release's, paint a picture of security forces under siege, and insurgents operating with impunity.

When the Defence Minister urges the people of the south to help themselves, its almost an admission of defeat.

Some of you posting here really need to wake up, this is not about religion.

[dcutman]

Not sure what post you are talking about, "this is not about religion" I dont see any post the even mention religion being cause of problems.

On the other hand I do believe religion does have a bit to do with it. Can you explain why you think it doesnt? Here is a piece that says is does http://asiafoundation.org/in-asia/2010/12/15/what-do-local-perceptions-tell-us-about-prospects-for-peace-in-southern-thailand/

[Mosha]

So the Far South isn't on Chalerm's list of things to do in 90 days then?

[animatic]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Except those few will then target those villages, and Village/Mosque Leaders for death in short order.

Basically he is passing the buck to the unfunded and under armed locals

to fend for themselves by directly attacking the insurgents and putting

their homes and families of instant risk of injury or death.

Yes, this is what they get for being good citizens living in fear.

Reason to have even greater fear.

[animatic]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Except those few will then target those villages, and Village/Mosque Leaders for death in short order.

Basically he is passing the buck to the unfunded and under armed locals

to fend for themselves by directly attacking the insurgents and putting

their homes and families of instant risk of injury or death.

Yes, this is what they get for being good citizens living in fear.

Reason to have even greater fear.

[Skywalker69]

So the Far South isn't on Chalerm's list of things to do in 90 days then?

He is going south soon. Just have to figuring out witch direction is South.

[animatic]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Except those few will then target those villages, and Village/Mosque Leaders for death in short order.

Basically he is passing the buck to the unfunded and under armed locals

to fend for themselves by directly attacking the insurgents and putting

their homes and families of instant risk of injury or death.

Yes, this is what they get for being good citizens living in fear.

Reason to have even greater fear. Because of their village elders

DO take this advice then anyone in the village becomes a target

whether they voted no or not.

Edited August 25, 2012 by animatic

[hellodolly]

Not sure what post you are talking about, "this is not about religion" I dont see any post the even mention religion being cause of problems.

On the other hand I do believe religion does have a bit to do with it. Can you explain why you think it doesnt? Here is a piece that says is does http://asiafoundatio...thern-thailand/

I think he really believes that it has nothing to do with the events going on in the deep South. If all the citizens were Buddhist it would still be going on according to his logic.

[dcutman]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Except those few will then target those villages, and Village/Mosque Leaders for death in short order.

Basically he is passing the buck to the unfunded and under armed locals

to fend for themselves by directly attacking the insurgents and putting

their homes and families of instant risk of injury or death.

Yes, this is what they get for being good citizens living in fear.

Reason to have even greater fear. Because of their village elders

DO take this advice then anyone in the village becomes a target

whether they voted no or not.

Is all I can say to that, is this world would look a lot different today if everyone in the past that stood up against tyrants and terrorist had this/your mentality.

[dcutman]

Not sure what post you are talking about, "this is not about religion" I dont see any post the even mention religion being cause of problems.

On the other hand I do believe religion does have a bit to do with it. Can you explain why you think it doesnt? Here is a piece that says is does http://asiafoundatio...thern-thailand/

I think he really believes that it has nothing to do with the events going on in the deep South. If all the citizens were Buddhist it would still be going on according to his logic.

Logic being the key word here, lack of or twisted not sure witch.

[animatic]

As bad as I want to agree with the above posts. I am going to have to agree with this guy. These people claim they only want peace and it is only a few that are causing all this sh!t. Well, community and religious leaders should be able to gather all their constituents and stand up to these few, identify them or just take em out, if it is in fact peace, is all they want. It should be obvious to them, after nearly a decade, the Government, military and police cannot get the job done.

Except those few will then target those villages, and Village/Mosque Leaders for death in short order.

Basically he is passing the buck to the unfunded and under armed locals

to fend for themselves by directly attacking the insurgents and putting

their homes and families of instant risk of injury or death.

Yes, this is what they get for being good citizens living in fear.

Reason to have even greater fear. Because of their village elders

DO take this advice then anyone in the village becomes a target

whether they voted no or not.

Is all I can say to that, is this world would look a lot different today if everyone in the past that stood up against tyrants and terrorist had this/your mentality.

That is what the police and national guard types are supposed to deal with in this day and age.

The point is, the ones who are supposed to do it are NOT.

And now tell the defenseless ones to do it.