candid Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 So, I wonder, where do they all go? What happens to them when their looks fade to such a point that they leave the tourist towns and go ---where? So you think they are only like that for the sake of the tourists? If you read the original post, you will se that I said that many Katoeys work in banks, lawyers offices etc. My point was that they are not only for tourists to gawk at. So why do you come out with such a silly statement, or did you not read the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) I don't need to know what mental disorders are. I asked what you meant by writing, "There are approximately 300,000 ladyboys in thailand. There are going to be a a lot more in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders." What did you mean to imply by writing "which could be said about all mental disorders?" Not wiki, you. More mental disorder in rural areas than urban.Do you teach kindergarten by any chance? Edited September 17, 2012 by Neeranam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't need to know what mental disorders are. I asked what you meant by writing, "There are approximately 300,000 ladyboys in thailand. There are going to be a a lot more in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders." What did you mean to imply by writing "which could be said about all mental disorders?" Not wiki, you. More mental disorder in rural areas than urban.Do you teach kindergarten by any chance? Since when was any part of this thread about mental disorders in rural vs urban areas? Don't slam me! You are the one who was calling lady boys mentally disordered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss1960 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I don't need to know what mental disorders are. I asked what you meant by writing, "There are approximately 300,000 ladyboys in thailand. There are going to be a a lot more in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders." What did you mean to imply by writing "which could be said about all mental disorders?" Not wiki, you. More mental disorder in rural areas than urban.Do you teach kindergarten by any chance? The question is why you felt the need to introduce the term "mental disorder" and pointing it towards all katoeys... I have seen and met more drunken (s)expats looking for barfights to which I would attribute that mental condition than I have seen and met ladyboys... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 So, I wonder, where do they all go? What happens to them when their looks fade to such a point that they leave the tourist towns and go ---where? So you think they are only like that for the sake of the tourists? If you read the original post, you will se that I said that many Katoeys work in banks, lawyers offices etc. My point was that they are not only for tourists to gawk at. So why do you come out with such a silly statement, or did you not read the OP? OP, you seem to like attacking people who have taken the time to reply to this ignorant thread topic. Can't you see it's a ridiculous question. Ladyboys are people. Question why YOU haven't seen older ladymen in 8 years. Spend more time out of Pattaya beach at night and entertainment areas such as Nana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morakot Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Apparently, some get married to Thai Visa members who used to be straight and live happily ever after. True! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payboy Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Apparently, some get married to Thai Visa members who used to be straight and live happily ever after. True! Those aren't katoeys or TV members, they're just Borats grandparents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neeranam Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 (edited) 20 percent is far too high. There are approximately 300,000 ladyboys in thailand. There are going to be a a lot more in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders. Fortunately, there are lots of activities in the medical field to de-classify gender disorder from being a mental disorder to being a "normal" medical disorder of the body / the hormones. While IDC-10 still uses that classification, some health organisation (I think UK NHS was one of the first) have already changed that. Even further, the highest German court has decided that transgender people are allowed to have the gender changed in their papers even without a full sex-change operation. I know that it will still take years to come in order to change the thinking of people, but at least the legal and medical side seems to make progress towards not seing transgender people being mentally ill... Interesting post.Strange how many people feel that saying someone has a mental disorder is implying that they are somehow inferior - of course not it means they sick. Some say that 50% of Americans, for example, suffer from mental health issues. http://www.usatoday....woes/50250702/1 IDC-10 and DCM and others seem to change their opinion on what is and what is not a disease or mental disorder. Alcoholism, for example was not then it was a disease, then a mental disorder, then ...Now it is a disease again. Homosexuality was considered a disease, or disorder up until 1980 or so I think. Edited September 17, 2012 by Neeranam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiangmaikelly Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 What kind of person would take a thread about old lady boys and manage to fit in Americans and Gays have a mental disorder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BookMan Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Apparently, some get married to Thai Visa members who used to be straight and live happily ever after. True! Those aren't katoeys or TV members, they're just Borats grandparents. Male, from different sides of the family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss1960 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Neeranam: You try to sneak away from what you clearly wrote: "There are going to be a a lot more (katoeys) in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders." You clearly imply that for you, katoey equals mental disorder, which is not anymore todays medical view. Of course there can be mental issues, but these are only a secondary problem and definitely not the main issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 Ok, drop the mental illness stuff. Get back on topic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRealDeal Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 It's called the DSM not the DCM and are on version 5 now and yes like all things it evloves over time with new knowledge ....... well most things and people anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candid Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 So, I wonder, where do they all go? What happens to them when their looks fade to such a point that they leave the tourist towns and go ---where? So you think they are only like that for the sake of the tourists? If you read the original post, you will se that I said that many Katoeys work in banks, lawyers offices etc. My point was that they are not only for tourists to gawk at. So why do you come out with such a silly statement, or did you not read the OP? OP, you seem to like attacking people who have taken the time to reply to this ignorant thread topic. Can't you see it's a ridiculous question. Ladyboys are people. Question why YOU haven't seen older ladymen in 8 years. Spend more time out of Pattaya beach at night and entertainment areas such as Nana. Now you definitely are trolling. I have spent little time in Nana or Pattaya Beach, but have lived in Isaan and Central Thailand for more than 6 years. You call my topic ignorant? I must confess to be ignorant of the topic, or I would not have asked it. I see nowhere in my original post where I attacked the concept or the lifestyles of Katoeys. However, you, on more than one occasion have chosen to opine that all Katoeys have Mental Disorders. This is the reason why you think I would attack you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I'm going to start taking action on people's accounts if they don't quit arguing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlyAnimal Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 20 percent is far too high. There are approximately 300,000 ladyboys in thailand. There are going to be a a lot more in urban areas than rural areas, which could be said about all mental disorders. As I said, around 20% of my male students. So roughly 1 in 5 of my male students. Varies a little from class to class, would be less probably in M1/M2 (But I've only taught the school's gifted classes at this level, not the Thai section, as I have only been teaching in a Mattayom school for 1 1/2 years). However in the M4 & M6 classes I've taught, it'd be a good estimate I'd say (Of the 10-15 boys in a class, usually 2-3 of them would be ladyboys). But as I said, some might change when they finish high school, or maybe a lot of the normal boys drop out of school at the end of M3 (Ladyboys are generally much better students), or of course, my school could simply have an unnaturally high proportion of ladyboys. I am in conservative Isaan afterall, where if a young boy likes playing with girls, rather than boys, a lot of the other boys will start calling him a ladyboy, and I think that that often sticks. However later in life, perhaps they work out their real sexuality and change back to being a real man. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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