Thai Govt Pins Hopes On Water-Flow Push Machines, Barriers To Beat The Floods

[Arkady]

Is this another white lie? What happened to the 350 billion baht prevention budget that was so urgent it had to be passed as an emergency degree without going through Parliament?

[phuketsub]

This year, the Yingluck government will get an invitation from Stockholm.

I heard it is on the top of a list for the new

Nobel Prize for Real Comedians

Please don't insult Thai inventors.

Such invention have been used by many Royal Projects.

Please post the link, links to the water-flow push machines being used in many Royal Projects.

Is this in reference to those energy-wasting paddlewheels used to aerate the disgusting canals of Bangkok and shrimp farming ponds upcountry? Even if it is some "on-steriods" version thereof, god help us all...

[boggle]

17 cubic meters is 17 000 litres per second.

500 machines is 8500 000 litres pers second

510000000 per minute

30600000000 per hour

734400000000 per day

As I read it this is extra drainage. Pretty impressive.

Cool looking machine.

[canuckamuck]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

[Thai at Heart]

17 cubic meters is 17 000 litres per second.

500 machines is 8500 000 litres pers second

510000000 per minute

30600000000 per hour

734400000000 per day

As I read it this is extra drainage. Pretty impressive.

Cool looking machine.

Better not leave them on in dry season. Might empty the ping all the way up north. Also better be careful, might send a tidal wave to malaysia.

[DrTuner]

The machines should work. Having once seen a BKK canal, the "liquid" resembled a pudding. A shovel will do nicely in pushing it forward.

[boggle]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

Have a look at the media outlet which I cannot mention here

[MaxYakov]

Any pics, specs, of these ground breaking innovations.

T Really IT

video of the "Water-Flow Push Machines" in action

[ snipped video of bio-water-pushing/shotgun-target-shooting machines ]

I guess that would be one of those Web-facts? It quacked me up!

Edited September 20, 2012 by MaxYakov

[MaxYakov]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

Pic? No. But @Buchholz managed to dredge-up a quackers video for our viewing enjoyment:

http://www.thaivisa....s/#entry5682024

It wouldn't surprise me if someone in Thai Water Management might take it seriously.

Edited September 20, 2012 by MaxYakov

[hbullinger]

Water-flow push machines and flood barriers will play a key role in the government's flood-prevention plan this year.

If these machines could be designed to push the whole Phue Thai government down the Chao Phraya river, right into the nearest shark infested sea area then they would indeed play a key role in future flood prevention.

[Neilly]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

[AleG]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

I feel the urge to bang my head against a wall...

[canuckamuck]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

I honestly laughed out loud.

I was holding on to a slight bit of optimism that it wasn't a tied up boat... Nope... It's a tied up boat which has no other purpose but to burn fuel.

facepalm!!!

[Thai at Heart]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

I feel the urge to bang my head against a wall...

Oh my god. Thats it? At least they could have made a bigger cover to make it look a little more impressive.

Any university in thailand brave enough to put their name to it. Its a teathered aerator for a big waste water pond.

[Dap]

Can anyone tell me where these "water pushing machines: are coming from? Who is producing them? (Besides the Royal Thai Navy Dockyard.) Any info out there?

Edited September 20, 2012 by Dap

[Dap]

I would love to see one of these things, does anyone have a pic?

OH YEAH! The fish are gonna love it.

[MaiDong]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

[besth]

OK, seen the picture

Does anyone have a video of how they work?

A bit off topic, does anyone have a second hand boat for sale?

[MaiDong]

Does anyone have a video of how they work?

You are joking, aren't you?

[AleG]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

Try this experiment, find a string, stretch it over one end of a table, grab one end and push the string along.

That how effective this method is.

How many billions have been spent on this things?

[Moruya]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

They would have more effect on the water through evaporation due to warming the water than moving it anywhere useful!!!

Water has a low viscosity in its pure form but contaminants such as silt can change elements of it. Liquid inertia or Yield Point and plastic viscosity will be affected.

Water likes to flow in a straight line known as laminar flow. When it flows fast it becomes turbulent with eddying currents that are not as efficient. This occurs at a Reynolds number of 2100 - a factor of viscosity, speed of flow and flow area.

Water close to the sides of the canals will flow more slowly than at the centre where the friction between the flows of water currents is at its lowest.

So, in short, creating turbulence in the middle of waterways with boat engines will slow the flow down

[besth]

Does anyone have a video of how they work?

You are joking, aren't you?

About the second hand boat, yes (although...)

About seeing a video of how they work, no, I'd like to see it. If they are supposed to be so wonderful, seeing them in action might shut up many of us skeptics. Or confirm fears. Either way, I think it would be interesting to see.

[MaiDong]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

Try this experiment, find a string, stretch it over one end of a table, grab one end and push the string along.

That how effective this method is.

How many billions have been spent on this things?

hehehe, like I said, I WANT to have some confidence, and although I have a fairly good brain I just wanted to give these fellas some credit, if due...

I often use that old story that the sea levels in Thailand won't rise like the far northern or far southern hemispheres because the world is oval(due to the moons gravity, it transpired to be true), so I always wait for a decent explanation of any reasoning in this nutty country.

[MaiDong]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

They would have more effect on the water through evaporation due to warming the water than moving it anywhere useful!!!

Water has a low viscosity in its pure form but contaminants such as silt can change elements of it. Liquid inertia or Yield Point and plastic viscosity will be affected.

Water likes to flow in a straight line known as laminar flow. When it flows fast it becomes turbulent with eddying currents that are not as efficient. This occurs at a Reynolds number of 2100 - a factor of viscosity, speed of flow and flow area.

Water close to the sides of the canals will flow more slowly than at the centre where the friction between the flows of water currents is at its lowest.

So, in short, creating turbulence in the middle of waterways with boat engines will slow the flow down

So, as these machines are moored on the banks, they may increase the flow?

[MaiDong]

Does anyone have a video of how they work?

You are joking, aren't you?

About the second hand boat, yes (although...)

About seeing a video of how they work, no, I'd like to see it. If they are supposed to be so wonderful, seeing them in action might shut up many of us skeptics. Or confirm fears. Either way, I think it would be interesting to see.

Fair enough.

I think us skeptics have a point, if you fill up a tray with water, and push the water with a piece of plastic, for example, it will just come straight back. Surely, unless these machines are based from the flood areas right down to the estuary, they will have little effect...

[Thai at Heart]

Can anybody, who has any experience of flood prevention, explain the merits of these machines?

Do they work? Are we all just being too negative about this machine?

On first sight it is a bit laughable, I just wish I could have some confidence.

I can't afford another 1 month holiday by the seaside, no matter how lovely it was to spend the time with my wife and child

Calm as a millpond 2 metres across the river isnt it? 3 metres beyond the prop, calm again. To push this river along you could probably put every child in yhe country to kick their hardest and 10m beyond them the speed would have increased 0.0000001 km/h.

Friction , gravity and energy. Can't cheat it, but of course plodprasob is smarter yhan Archimedes and da vinci and all the greatest phyisicists who have tried to PUSH water.

Compete in Asean? Plodprasob is science minister. Truly petrifying.

Edited September 20, 2012 by Thai at Heart

[besth]

Does anyone have a video of how they work?

You are joking, aren't you?

About the second hand boat, yes (although...)

About seeing a video of how they work, no, I'd like to see it. If they are supposed to be so wonderful, seeing them in action might shut up many of us skeptics. Or confirm fears. Either way, I think it would be interesting to see.

Fair enough.

I think us skeptics have a point, if you fill up a tray with water, and push the water with a piece of plastic, for example, it will just come straight back. Surely, unless these machines are based from the flood areas right down to the estuary, they will have little effect...

My thoughts too, but having seen it working/not working can't completely discard the idea.

Anyway, after seeing the machines, the piece of plastic analogy seems scaringly accurate. Let's hope rains this year aren't as bad as last year and that they do manage better the water downflows.

[besth]

Wouldn't it make more sense (if at all) to use the machines to push the water faster down and out, so when the natural flow arrives the water levels are lower and there is more room to avoid the floods?

[Buchholz]

Is this another white lie? What happened to the 350 billion baht prevention budget that was so urgent it had to be passed as an emergency degree without going through Parliament?

It went the same way as the other 120 Billion Baht for flood prevention.

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[philw]

Is this another white lie? What happened to the 350 billion baht prevention budget that was so urgent it had to be passed as an emergency degree without going through Parliament?

It went the same way as the other 120 Billion Baht for flood prevention.

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Which way was that then ??