American Suspected Of Conducting Lewd Acts With 13 Year Old Boy In Central Pattaya

[bangkapi]

I'm not condoning sex with children, nor gay pedophilia, but there are many factors in play when something like this occurs. Lots of teenagers play for pay all over the world for many reasons.

In the past, I was approached by young boys several times in that shopping center asking to go with me. It is very disconcerting to have your behind grabbed by a pubescent boy who is trying to rent his sexual services to you in a public toilet.

This could be a set-up. But I suspect it is just a guy breaking a law with the help of a young guy trying to make a few baht to eat or spend on electronics.

[chiangmaikelly]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Same as with the guys who paint all young guys as criminals in an other topic in this section

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

What loophole? I had to provide a police report for my first visa based on retirement?

[outre99]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I have no tolerance for the sick perverts preying on children, but your argument stinks as well. This is the same kind of logic that in short 8 years turned US from the land of the free into fortress America. The old wisdom that people who are willing to sacrifice their freedom for security deserve nither is as true today as when it was stated at dawn of the American republic.

Yours is the logic that the propagandised populace used to accept the warentless wiretaps, indefinite detentions without charges, rutine strip searches at the airports, suspension of habeas corpus, and many other Orwelian exesses of a totalitarian regime over its own people.

The fact that you're commenting on Thai Visa tells us that you chose to live in Thailand away from the overreaching authorities of the West and yet, here you are espousing the same stupid attitude towards unchecked surveliance. If you crave the militarized nanny state you're welcome to head on back home, the rest of us want to remain free men.

Edited September 22, 2012 by outre99

[Soutpeel]

So let me understand your plan - just focus on retirees.

Good god, sometimes certain ideas are just so poorly thought through.

Have you you got ANY statistics that your proposal will address the issue of pedophilia perpetrated by foreigners in TH?

What about teachers, priests and coaches requiring a police report before even being allowed in the country for a vacation?

Ageism is just such a tiresome stereotype on this board.

Yes...

Retirees intend living here on a permanent basis, typically when you want to live somewhere on a permanent basis, one of the things that needs to be supplied is a police certificate from your own country, further when one obtains a proper retirement visa for Thailand ie the O-A it is required, I am suggesting the the current loop hole be closed and this will stop any of our older peodo's getting the country

Teachers working in Thailand are generally required to provide a police report from their own countries

Why such a hysterical response to a perfectly valid suggestion ?......for all intents an purposes this is already a requirement for the O-A visa anyway

[firestar]

those old guys with their pensions..

I am an "old guy" and I have a "pension".

Quite a normal situation for a senior farang, isn't it ?

You, Mister, are truly a horrible person for saying that I must thus have such disgusting "penchants".

It's you, Mister, who has a disgusting penchant for posting such an insulting post on this thread.

It comes on the back of the other thread were it was suggested people under 30 living here are all drug dealers because one misbehaved,.

the poster is actually deriding ageism showing how ridicule it is, don't get too worked up.

[BigJohnson]

The people who took the video and made sure this pedophile was caught and arrested should be hailed as heroes!

It is disgusting how so many people look the other way because they are afraid that they may be making a wrong assumption or they just don't want to get involved. In my opinion, people who know something is wrong and do nothing are as bad as the person committing the crime.

As for the animal that the police arrested; he is lucky that someone like me didn't catch him because he would be missing an appendage.

[Tolley]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

[pointoffew]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Castrate? There is plenty of scientific research showing castration does NOT solve the problem - it's all 'between the ears', i.e. in the brain, if any, whatever. Unfortunately, the "hang them" and "castrate them" mentality is still popular among some primitive folks. Talking about civilisation...

[BookMan]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

Why would that matter who propositions who?

The American bloke went through with the act, that is what matters

[Soutpeel]

What loophole? I had to provide a police report for my first visa based on retirement?

One assumes you had an O-A visa ?...this is requirement for this visa type...you applied in your own country before coming to Thailand ?

but there is another way of getting a "retirement" visa in Thailand which doesnt require a police report, which quite a few pensioners use

[tracker1]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Same as with the guys who paint all young guys as criminals in an other topic in this section

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

It was a pre requisit for my visa to have a criminal check in Australia for a retirement visa I thought it would be the same for all countries

[jojodontyouknow]

All I know is, if this man gets thrown into prison, the citizens there will gladly take care of him...

[chiangmaikelly]

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Same as with the guys who paint all young guys as criminals in an other topic in this section

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

It was a pre requisit for my visa to have a criminal check in Australia for a retirement visa I thought it would be the same for all countries

Ya me too. At any rate I think it is a good idea. I don't know what the other poster is on about.

[Soutpeel]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

How the h*ll is this a set up or entrapment...someone who wasnt pedo wouldnt do something like this, who ever was propostioning who is irrelevant, intent has been established.

[Soutpeel]

Ya me too. At any rate I think it is a good idea. I don't know what the other poster is on about.

Which other poster ?...me....there is a loophole in the process which needs to be closed, if you apply in your own country before getting here you will be required to provide a police report, this is an O-A visa but if you come here on holiday, you can apply for and be given a "retirement" visa in Thailand without providing a police report

[Tolley]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

How the h*ll is this a set up or entrapment...someone who wasnt pedo wouldnt do something like this, who ever was propostioning who is irrelevant, intent has been established.

You think the Thais give a rats ass about whether this guy is a pedo or not.

It is all about the money.

[chiangmaikelly]

Ageism is just such a tiresome stereotype on this board.

As is youngism by the rather tiresome wrinkles...

Tks, I didn't know that. I meant about the visas.

Edited September 22, 2012 by chiangmaikelly

[how241]

So i guess it is ok if it was a 13 year old girl? For that matter, just go to essan and do whatever you want, nobodies watching or caring. As long as mom and dad get their money. Can do easy if you have baht!!! Still the same as 40 years ago!!

I hope that is really Not true.

[Chopperboy]

The people who took the video and made sure this pedophile was caught and arrested should be hailed as heroes!

The BIB are in on the underage via older hooker boy minders - just once in a while its more interesting/ profitable to bust a customer. Might be because he only offered 300B - that wasn't exactly going to gas up a Merc now was it?

Edited September 22, 2012 by Chopperboy

[I Like Thai]

Id like to hear the 13yr olds story of how he got in there, after all im sure 99.9999999% of 13 yr olds wouldnt do this. Who or what is behind it?

I wouldn't. i don't think a child should need to explain themselves when a crime has been committed against them.

This is what happens to children that are abused by pedophiles and expected to "explain" themselves

[LennyW]

I've never visited Pattaya and in fact I am a newbie to Thailand but it seems every story I read on here is in some related to the place, lol

Just an observation.

Perhaps that is because you are reading the "Pattaya News Clippings" section of the "Pattaya Forum" Doh!

[how241]

So i guess it is ok if it was a 13 year old girl? For that matter, just go to essan and do whatever you want, nobodies watching or caring. As long as mom and dad get their money. Can do easy if you have baht!!! Still the same as 40 years ago!!

I hope that is really Not true.

[MILT]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

UH? You are joking/trolling right? This perv crossed the line and most likely not the first time. He was on the prowl. Look at this guys mug. It doesn't matter who approached whom. Adults should possess the moral responsibility not to do things like this. He is nothing more than a predator. I am happy that other adults took notice and acted appropriately.

[technologybytes]

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

Of course, all the privacy we have lost over the years is always to help catch criminals, at least that's the way it's told to us.

I'm sure there are ways to catch these sick people without having cameras looking into toilets (if indeed they were).

However much I want them caught and punished, and however much I want the world to be rid of crime and terrorism, I DONT want to give up my rights to privacy.. WHY SHOULD I.

The reason it happens is because so many people turn a blind eye in the events leading up to them entering the toilet. The police know where the pedophile pick up places are, they know how to identify the boys involved and they are perfectly capable to preventing it... without my need to give up my privacy.

[Soutpeel]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

UH? You are joking/trolling right? This perv crossed the line and most likely not the first time. He was on the prowl. Look at this guys mug. It doesn't matter who approached whom. Adults should possess the moral responsibility not to do things like this. He is nothing more than a predator. I am happy that other adults took notice and acted appropriately.

Agreed....cant believe some people in here are apologists for pedo's

[richsilver]

The article says he was " arrested in the early hours of Saturday". Central does not open until 11, so where was he arrested?

[GeorgeO]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Same as with the guys who paint all young guys as criminals in an other topic in this section

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

May I suggest that you take care in your approach here. The UK has already adopted such a principle, and this is leading to people who have even served in the Armed Forces of that country being told that they must leave.

One of these cases involves a man who was caught fighting in barracks. Since he did as he was told and accepted his Commanding Officer's punishment, he was left with a "criminal" record, which is the basis on which the border agency is seeking his removal from the UK...!

[Tolley]

It sounds like this guy was set up well and truly.

It will cost him a pretty penny to get out of this.

I recall the same thing happening a few times in Central.

Whilst I dont condone the guys actions it seems to me that these cases are usually entrapment.

I wonder who was propositioning who in the beginning!

UH? You are joking/trolling right? This perv crossed the line and most likely not the first time. He was on the prowl. Look at this guys mug. It doesn't matter who approached whom. Adults should possess the moral responsibility not to do things like this. He is nothing more than a predator. I am happy that other adults took notice and acted appropriately.

Agreed....cant believe some people in here are apologists for pedo's

No not an apologist at all.

Just very cynical about how the Thai authorities act. As I said the Thais couldnt give a toss about the underage sex. For them it is all about the money.

[technologybytes]

So i guess it is ok if it was a 13 year old girl? For that matter, just go to essan and do whatever you want, nobodies watching or caring. As long as mom and dad get their money. Can do easy if you have baht!!! Still the same as 40 years ago!!

I hope that is really Not true.

Sadly, of course, it is true.

Whever there is poverty there is prostitution, and wherever there is enough prostitution there are alwasys those looking for, and those supplying, underage sex. It's the universal law of supply and demand, and you need to break one of those. You can't stop demand, but you can make the supply very difficult.

I don't know the law in Thailand, but I'd bet that he's not looking at prison term.. I personally have no doubt that he'll be out and back on the street in no time.

[MAJIC]

Is it not the case that there are certain toilet facilities which are known as paedophile meeting spots? That being the case I would say it was appropriate to have cameras to identify that old men were taking young boys into cubicles. That way there could be no argument about guilt or otherwise.

So if the question is............would I approve of cameras in toilets to catch paedophiles? You better believe it.

I'm quite happy to lose a little bit of privacy if it helps catch and convict these sick b*stards.

I suppose by your comment it would be inappropriate to have cameras to identify young men taking young boys into cubicles right? What is it with you guys with the one paint brush fits all pedos as being "old guys". I know this guys is 65 and is a piece of pond scum and in my opinion should be castrated if guilty.

Lay off the old guys crap!

Same as with the guys who paint all young guys as criminals in an other topic in this section

Maybe as an appropriate step for all retirees coming to live in Thailand is that they provide an upto date police report from their own countries, know this is place for for an O-A visa, but there is a loop hole in the "retirement visa" process and this should be closed...any sniff of criminal conviction, visa declined.

For the UK Record,To obtain an O-A Visa before Retiring to Thailand,one must have Police Clearance of: No Criminal Record from Scotland Yard.

Edited September 22, 2012 by MAJIC